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NPD Sales Results for March 2013 [Up5: BioShock Infinite]

It was a late full priced port going head to head with two exclusives with a hell of a lot more press and hype, on a system with a small install base. I don't even know what you're trying to argue at this point.

As for Twilight Princess, it was the headliner (barring Wii Sports) of a brand new system with all Nintendo weight behind it while the gamecube version came late in a low install base consoles life. It's not that hard to understand, so at this point I think you're just being deliberately obtuse. So I think we're done here.

Resorting to insults won't get your point across. Lego is aimed at a completely different market.

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is an HD port of a 3 year old game, with added content. At full price, I fail to see how that puts Monster Hunter in a completely different category.

But since you are getting bent out of shape, I guess we're done.

You're making way too many assumptions for me to even entertain discussing this at all.

I guess my assumptions don't align with your assumptions?

That's fair.
 
The last piece of the puzzle...

3DS +9% revenue, or +9% unit sales... and if the former... some help on working it out?

Pretty please with cream and sugar on top.
 

Somnid

Member
Will every release that bombs get this level of rationalisation as to why it bombed?
Same query as in the MC thread though: If the system starts selling better, presumably it will be for reasons other than Lego City, or any of the games currently out for it, so why would these software suddenly spike in sales?

The only situation that I can really see suddenly boosting these titles is that a price cut causes more system sales in the near term.

Because no one is claiming they will "spike" but rather that as system accessibility and desire goes up people will buy systems and some percentage will also pickup games that have become accessible as a result of owning the console. This has always been true of Nintendo games and I think a lot of it has to do with lack of yearly, iterative sequels.
 

EDarkness

Member
Keep telling yourself that. Need for Speed doing under 10,000 last month wasn't because some nerds were sitting on the internet whining about not being able to buy a car pack for 20 bucks.

It doesn't take a genius to see for years now the difference in demographics between a Nintendo system owner versus their competition. There's a reason why games with Angry Birds, Sonic, LEGOs, Just Dance, etc are big third party sellers for Nintendo systems while Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, Need for Speed, NBA2K, etc aren't. And it doesn't have to do with meta analyzing some dumbass features the game may not have.

Sure, demographics have something to do with it, but if you think that something as small as missing DLC cars doesn't factor in then that's no different than ignoring the demographics issue. I used to work in a game store and small things like this were enough to sway people into buying a different version. Why buy an incomplete version of the game? Is it small? Yeah, but just the other day I had someone tell me that's why he didn't buy the Wii U version. He wanted the cars and picked it up on the 360 at the local game store here in Japan.

Still, that also doesn't account for the Nintendo versions of the game being gimped in some way or just plain late to the party by a few months.
 

DaBoss

Member
Resorting to insults won't get your point across. Lego is aimed at a completely different market.

Monster Hunter Tri is an HD port of a 3 year old game, with added content. At full price, I fail to see how that puts Monster Hunter in a completely different category.

But since you are getting bent out of shape, I guess we're done.

MH3U for the Wii U is an HD port of a one year old game which is a large expansion of 3rd gen Monster Hunter games.
 

DaBoss

Member
I took it from Gamespot



If it's wrong, then it's wrong. But I took gamespot's word for it.

Nah, it isn't necessarily wrong, but it is an HD version of the 3DS game which is an expansion of the game GameSpot is referring to, Monster Hunter Tri.

It definitely has a lot more content and changes to consider it a new entry.
 

B.O.O.M

Member
100k < lego < hunter 3ds+wiiu < 130k
nfs < 10k
IGN4.7 ~ 30k

yikes

I don't see how GOW A can be considered a success. Specially when it sold worse than Gears of War Judgement, and that one certainly doesn't look like a success story.

Umm not sure what you mean by this. Gears always sell more than God of war in the NA afaik. I believe the drop for the Gears J is much bigger than the GOW A

Besides the engine was done. This game will bring them some nice profits..especially since GOW titles have good legs
 
Why the hell would this have any reason to do any better when the majority of Wii U owners likely own a PS360?
Take that premise and, if true, then ask yourself whether it's worthwhile for publishers to release games on the Wii U and/or put any effort into their releases.
Because no one is claiming they will "spike" but rather that as system accessibility and desire goes up people will buy systems and some percentage will also pickup games that have become accessible as a result of owning the console. This has always been true of Nintendo games and I think a lot of it has to do with lack of yearly, iterative sequels.
Spike as in suddenly have good legs relative to currently dragging their feet or simply floundering on the ground. If the hardware's sales rise, it will be due to something else besides these current titles, and it will likely be months from now. I really don't see how that will be of huge benefit to Zombi U et al.
 

TheNatural

My Member!
Sure, demographics have something to do with it, but if you think that something as small as missing DLC cars doesn't factor in then that's no different than ignoring the demographics issue. I used to work in a game store and small things like this were enough to sway people into buying a different version. Why buy an incomplete version of the game? Is it small? Yeah, but just the other day I had someone tell me that's why he didn't buy the Wii U version. He wanted the cars and picked it up on the 360 at the local game store here in Japan.

Still, that also doesn't account for the Nintendo versions of the game being gimped in some way or just plain late to the party by a few months.

Doesn't explain why when things like the Sonic Racing game that launched had glitches that need to be patched, yet sold well for Wii U. Or Just Dance 4 was a crappy shameless Wii port. Or this LEGO City game had atrocious load times and sold well, comparatively. Your argument for a super informed userbase that rejects games for technical merits falls apart when you look at some of the game that have sold much better.

You may have worked at a game store, but I've worked at a retail store throughout all the holidays and the types of people that buy this stuff. I've been asked a dozen times on the demo Wii U unit what it was, is it the same as the Wii, does it come with all the games IN the demo unit, or so on. The few people that I've actually sold a Wii U too, or Wii U games too, lets just say aren't a bastion of technical knowledge.

I've sold about 100 times more copies of budget Dora's plaything or Monster High dress designer shovelware for Nintendo systems than I can count. Meanwhile when people come in for a 360 or PS3 game, it's always the same thing. Call of Duty. Halo. Madden. Far Cry. Whatever else.

Safe to say, I've got a pretty good idea who is buying what over probably a few hundred transactions doing this stuff. What you see on the internet and what we're talking about right now is not something the general Nintendo console owner is even aware of. It's a family and budget conscious ecosystem.
 

AniHawk

Member
The last piece of the puzzle...

3DS +9% revenue, or +9% unit sales... and if the former... some help on working it out?

Pretty please with cream and sugar on top.

well we know it's between 212k and 245k at the very least. why not just average the two and use it as a base?
 

BlackJace

Member
Take that premise and, if true, then ask yourself whether it's worthwhile for publishers to release games on the Wii U and/or put any effort into their releases.
Spike as in suddenly have good legs relative to currently dragging their feet or simply floundering on the ground. If the hardware's sales rise, it will be due to something else besides these current titles, and it will likely be months from now. I really don't see how that will be of huge benefit to Zombi U et al.

I'd rather them not even try than for them to half-ass it and then blame its inevitable failure on the userbase.
 

donny2112

Member
Was there some sort of deal and/or offers for the 3DS? I never expected those numbers. lol

Yes, tons of good deals, Pikachu Yellow 3DSXL, and then the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon+Luigi's Mansion game releases along with whatever effect Easter had (beyond being the likely catalyst for the sales, in the first place).

i'm just saying, why not use it with creamsugar's pie chart thing. why not. just for laughs.

Some people did that with the 245K number earlier. Page 12/13, I think (100 posts per page, look for Durante's posts).

Where did a baseline 212k come from?

3DS > PS3, and that's PS3.
 

ThatObviousUser

ὁ αἴσχιστος παῖς εἶ
Has creamsugar said the breakdown for MH3U's SKUs? Was the 3DS version 60-70% like I predicted?

Edit- Ah, 60%! I'll take it.
 

Scum

Junior Member
If they re-release as part of a budget line around the same time, it could.

I was thinking of this just now. Maybe NCL should consider (if they already haven't), re-releasing launch and the current crop of titles at a good price alongside whatever titles they have planned. £19.99 for ZombiU wouldn't hurt.
 
Umm not sure what you mean by this. Gears always sell more than God of war in the NA afaik. I believe the drop for the Gears J is much bigger than the GOW A

Besides the engine was done. This game will bring them some nice profits..especially since GOW titles have good legs

I didn't remember GOW was bigger than GOW. I mistook it for Uncharted I guess.
 

donny2112

Member
Just checked the 3ds "9%", it's total dollar comparison.

Thanks! With all the sales and the variable 3DSXL vs. 3DS breakdown, we basically have almost nothing to work with then. :lol

Maybe NCL should consider (if they already haven't), re-releasing launch and the current crop of titles at a good price alongside whatever titles they have planned. £19.99 for ZombiU wouldn't hurt.

Yeah. Hoping for a NSMBU:Complete Edition release with the Luigi DLC at some point, too.
 
You mean this chart?

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Wow. That's the only chart that need to be shown with regards to Wii U.

That's really, really bad. I would guess it's tracking ahead of N64, but I don't know if those numbers are even around.

Nope. Wii U is far behind even the N64.

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donny2112

Member
Nope. Wii U is far behind even N64.

You say that like it's a bad thing. N64 was a beast out of the gate. For comparison, PSX was ~2.5m at its second December. N64 was > 6m at its second December. The difference is PSX launched first and had much greater sustainability due to massive support.
 

AzaK

Member
Well Wii U owners dug their own grave for EA support with those kind of numbers.

God damn.

Well

- There's hardly any Wii U's anyway
- It's an old port
- It's full price

It's not just the Wii U owners' fault. We'd need to see attach rates before we could make any meaningful conclusions.

EDIT: So based on 1.01mill Wii U sales, that's a <1% attach rate. According to Wikipedia (yeah I know) it sold 500K in its first month on 360/PS3 combined. That was near end of 2012 where there was what, 130 million machines(?), which is about 0.4%.

Please correct if wrong and take note that I'm not a defender, just trying to put it in perspective somewhat.
 

Skiesofwonder

Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
On the 24th I'm expecting Iwata to allude towards Nintendo taking drastic measures when it comes to WiiU.

Rebranding/relaunch-type measures.
 
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