Ballmer knew how to deal with corporate clients & infrastructure, he didn't know how to deal with the general population. Combine that with wanting Apple margins without knowing how to deal with consumers, you get all the blunders that have happened over the past couple years.
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NPD Sales Results for March 2014 [Up4: FFX/X-2 HD]
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Ballmer knew how to deal with corporate clients & infrastructure, he didn't know how to deal with the general population. Combine that with wanting Apple margins without knowing how to deal with consumers, you get all the blunders that have happened over the past couple years.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Ohh yeah, for sure.
Plus, the only play you can play a baseball sim is on the PS3/PS4.
EL CUCO
Member
More like they keep trying to push on a wall. MS has a track record of being LTTP on tech.
Seems like par for the course on VR as well.
It can still be a system seller, it's just selling systems in months other than its launch month.
While Sony would be very smart never to give up the price advantage, and they should be able to manage that unless MSFT prices irrationally, due to lower BOM and better cost reduction curve, a parity Bone price would probably just pare the losses for MS in the States.
Bone is fundamentally inferior hardware and crucially that knowledge is now public, coupled with public awareness of the DRM-nightmare vision that MS tried to usher in. Where it isn't public we have early adopters repeating it everywhere.
The Bone has to be to be cheaper than PS4 to stand a chance of not being 2-1 LTD. Price parity is 2-1. Always more expensive - we are easily looking at 3-1 here if not more. Exclusives matter almost jackshit since the biggest games are all multiplats.
Remember PS3 still sold 360 worldwide at a higher ASP despite ALL of the advantages the 360 had. Microsoft has no pricing power here, a rigid adherence to a belief in parity is not going to work for them. We have prior data. They do not have the brand to pull that off, they are not premium or considered in the same ball park world wide to belong in the same price tier as a PlayStation.
PS4's performance so far should not come as any great surprise.
Bone is fundamentally inferior hardware and crucially that knowledge is now public, coupled with public awareness of the DRM-nightmare vision that MS tried to usher in. Where it isn't public we have early adopters repeating it everywhere.
The Bone has to be to be cheaper than PS4 to stand a chance of not being 2-1 LTD. Price parity is 2-1. Always more expensive - we are easily looking at 3-1 here if not more. Exclusives matter almost jackshit since the biggest games are all multiplats.
Remember PS3 still sold 360 worldwide at a higher ASP despite ALL of the advantages the 360 had. Microsoft has no pricing power here, a rigid adherence to a belief in parity is not going to work for them. We have prior data. They do not have the brand to pull that off, they are not premium or considered in the same ball park world wide to belong in the same price tier as a PlayStation.
PS4's performance so far should not come as any great surprise.
Angelus Errare
Banned
MS is going to blow people away at E3.
Price drop to $399
Gears of War announced + release date
Halo 5 announced
Forza 6 announced
Quantum Break release date
Exclusive content for X game
DX13
Kinect 3.0 software upgrade
Jesus makes an appearance (megaton, we've been waiting for this mofo)
harSon...pls
Price drop to $399
Gears of War announced + release date
Halo 5 announced
Forza 6 announced
Quantum Break release date
Exclusive content for X game
DX13
Kinect 3.0 software upgrade
Jesus makes an appearance (megaton, we've been waiting for this mofo)
harSon...pls
And I'm a proud Vita owner
This.
MS needs to work on it's Europe situation, but other than that their strategy seems to largely be working for them. Xbox is profitable and experiencing growth. Don't know if they should sacrifice that just for the right to say "We're first place." At the moment, there seems to be a lot of money in second place.
QuantumBro
Banned
Will it even push systems anymore now that the 360 version is out?
It's the NPD thread, man. It's a lot easier if you check your Vita feelings at the door. That way it doesn't hurt when someone confirms 15k.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Regarding the price drop, i don't understand the need for it right now. PS4 is selling well for what it's priced at right now. A price drop from MS might be coming for sure, but i don't think Sony will follow suit, not until after a while.
We will see how many Xbox One are moved after the price drop. If Xbox One starts to overtake PS4 after drop, Sony might start considering it as well.
We will see how many Xbox One are moved after the price drop. If Xbox One starts to overtake PS4 after drop, Sony might start considering it as well.
Alright, I laughed.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
You are not going to get a better deal on an X1 than the ones that have happened during the past month. Unless you are expecting a $349 price point with Kinect, which is not going to happen.
Considering the mostly stock components inside the system, the console being sold at a minimal loss, and how aggressive they have been in this launch, I could see them doing a price drop if they sense Microsoft is about to do one. It would be like blood in the water to them.
EL CUCO
Member
Expect it to snowball as 360 owners switch to PS4 and begin canceling their live subscriptions. Unless they also buy a XB1, I don't think many will want to pay for 2 online services.
cyber_ninja
Member
Sony always wins baby!!!
LinkMaster111
Member
Possibly Driveclub, as well. Sony has games coming, Microsoft put too many eggs into one basket and now they're left with nothing until Fall.
I'm still hoping for Driveclub lol. Edit: Same post as above ha ha.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Crimson_Gold
Member
That only increases the sacrilege.
Same here. I feel a few design tweaks and the ability to use micro sd cards would put vita over the top
And now I'm wondering why Weekend at Bernie's 1 & 2 aren't on Netflix streaming.
I still want the damn VitaTV but its looking less and less likely.
Portugeezer
Member
It won't be instant, but I agree. At least $50.
Although if XB1 gets a Kinectless SKU it should be cheaper than a PS4 by default.
Angelus Errare
Banned
The avatar is making me a bit more ballsy in my sarcastic posting. Must be a residual side effect of being part of a group of people shunned by society.
rokkerkory
Member
MS Family wins tho?? (i kid i kid)
QuantumBro
Banned
Why would they? PS4 will still be more powerful, they just need to change their ad campaign to focus on that.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Why do people even ask anymore, it's just begging for heart ache. Tis the dark of handhelds.
Jimmyfenix
Member
#Teamkagari
BlazingDarkness
Member
Aw yiss
Give me Johan or give me death
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Had to do a tripe-check for a moment.
All I get from this is that the next Xbox has an equally fair chance of being another disaster.
But at least there's still a chance for the Xbox One to be as good as the Zune HD!
Angelus Errare
Banned
Seems to be preferred by the gamers over microtransactions out the ass on a $60 purchase.
*Goes and buys some Ryse Bucks*
theprodigy
Member
That would be admitting kinect is a failure. And as far as I know, it's very much apart of the Xbox one experience
Shocking news.
It's "Xbox*" c'mon, get it right.
Someone here has the numbers, but I think it costs something like $479 to manufacture an Xbox One.
edit: according to this link: http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/29/t...sts-381-and-why-this-matters-in-the-long-run/
Xbox One = $471
PS4 = $381
Y2Kev purchased both the PS4 and Xbox One. He's automatically disqualified.
And ripe for mockery.
Evil Supremacy
Member
Sony: 'my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard'
How can I forget about Driveclub? It's my 3rd most hyped game behind Destiny and The Order...