I'm saying if Sony and MS sold a shit load of their updated consoles in the US (which they will) it's still a win.
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NPD Sales Results for March 2016
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I'm saying if Sony and MS sold a shit load of their updated consoles in the US (which they will) it's still a win.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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not really. If the sales are slanted towards the US, publishers are going to be less willing to greenlight games that actually take advantage of that power.
CosmicQueso
Member
Only the delusional would say that the Xbox One could reach 360 numbers.
But is a rebound out of the question with a revised or new box? No.
If people are holding out hope that NX will help Nintendo rebound from the actual disaster that is the Wii U, why would it be impossible for Microsoft to rebound as well, should they chose to attempt it?
Unless the NX people are more delusional than those who think the xone will surpass the 360 over the life.
Or everyone's delusional. This is probably most likely.
ethomaz
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It will be... now with upgrades I'm sure it will.
PS4/XBone were the first high-end consoles to be launched with low-end hardware... they need upgrades to live for 7-8 years.
If they're upgrading three years in I feel that's a clear sign they intend to keep upgrading every three years going forward unless the revisions tank.
The whole point is to be able to adapt to change faster. If you sit on the revision for five years, the whole exercise was pointless.
The whole point is to be able to adapt to change faster. If you sit on the revision for five years, the whole exercise was pointless.
ethomaz
Banned
I agree.
But I believe PS4k will hold Xbone 1.5 no matter how the specs end.
About NX well I'm sceptical and from what I saw looks like Wii U mistakes/launch.
Of course things can change my perception.
If that true then the whole choice behind mobile CPU and mid to low end GPU makes a lot of sense.
I won't be surprised if it was planned since when they choose x86 and started to work on new consoles.
I don't think it's that simple, were getting potential upgrades because of die shrinks (14nm). That isn't happening as often as before, sticking to a wooden 3 year upgrade schedule wouldn't result in much performance benefits at affordable price points going forward. If the PS4k is real then don't expect the PS5 until 7nm chips are available.
LordRaptor
Member
Did I miss some public details even confirming that any of those three devices actually even exist? because it seems... well, premature to say the least to start declaring success or failure
Based on the rumor, I think the NX is truly insane and crazy. I don't know if you know any more than the rumorz that have been posted on the board, but I can't make heads or tails of the strategy here.
I need more Matt_ posts.
ethomaz
Banned
At this point I don't believe these consoles won't exists.
CosmicQueso
Member
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Wasn't Wii U supposed to be all kinds of crazy?
Yeah, I think "every three years" will be a permanent plan if these revisions do really well.
2016: revisions, 2019: new consoles, 2022: revisions, 2025: new consoles, etc.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Yes, and the Wii U rumors were all embarrassing. I hope for Nintendo's sake this round of rumors are also embarrassing!
Sounds about right. New Console will just be a revision anyway.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I think it can. Maybe toward the lower end though.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
this is a first for me to be in GAF when rumors for new consoles is going on, a lot of crazy shit and delusions. i wonder if i was so hyped like that when rumors of orbis and what not were circulating the net.
LordRaptor
Member
An announcement that they're working on some hardware called "NX" in what seemed like a hastily thrown together press conference to stop people panicking about them moving to developing for mobile platforms isn't the same as an actual market announcement though.
I mean, they announced QoL 2 years ago, in what seemed like a hastily thrown together press conference to stop people panicking about them having major losses for the first time in decades.
It just seems... insanely premature to be discussing market impact.
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I mean, I don't discount the probability that all three manufacturers are in R&D for upcoming hardware, and given traditional timelines Nintendo are about due a new handheld
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Hey, do we have sales numbers for Blops 3? PS4 v Xbone (hopefully digital and bundles incl., maybe WW as well).
PeterLegend
Member
I'm hoping they show the PS4K at E3, then I can sell my old PS4 before the value tanks too much.
Mass Effect
Member
Has to be something like that. If we're getting half-step consoles in the middle of the generation, there's no way that MS or Sony are starting the new gen any time soon. I feel like this generation has barely even started anyway. Games-wise, we haven't seen anything from a LOT of developers. I doubt they want something like a 5-year generation, especially with how long and expensive it's becoming to make games. I sure don't.
If revisions keep us from having a short cycle, I'm all for them.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
As I said before, the rumours about the NX are nonsense for the simple fact that there is no advantage for Nintendo to chase power.
Having comparable internals is one thing, but no AAA is going to greenlight a exclusive that takes advantage of any supposed extra power (we cant even be sure of competent ports initally) and nothing has shown that Nintendo first party are in any rush to raise the bar graphically.
It just sounds like wishful fanwank from people who think Nintendos third party problems stem from not having a powerful system.
Even if Nintendo employed a Cerny style figure who reported that all western devs requested more power, that ignores the needs and realites of the Japanese development and publishing scene, which unlike to Sony and Microsoft, is still incredibly important for nintendo.
ShogunDarius
Member
I'm curious, how many units did SFV do? did they get anywhere near that 2Mil by end of fiscal year goal?
Consoles have never been "high-end" hardware, they've always been $300-400 worth of hardware inferior to high-end PC's. The IBM cpu's were inferior to the Intel's of the time just like AMD is now. The RSX was an outdated mid-range graphics card compared to PC, relatively worse than the PS4 had at release. The first Xbox was considered one of the most powerful consoles ever and used a Celeron processor much inferior to what gaming PC's had.
Heck, let's just end generations all together considering "new consoles" will probably just be revisions of revisions.
Bitch Pudding
Member
PC is the very last platform they'll treat.
I think people still like the simplicity of a console and the OS.
LordRaptor
Member
Having hardware powerful enough that third parties can just throw existing code at it without spending any time on optimisation and it 'just runs' with maybe a slightly better anti-aliasing solution or slightly higher resolution VFX than a PS4 or X1 title wouldn't exactly hurt their third party support.
slavesnyder
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If you want to stay up to date as consumer, this will just be like even shorter circles...
LowerLevel
Member
That much of business I do understand but yes you are right. I , at that point, wished they spent it on something presumably more worthwhile not really understanding how big Minecraft actually was/is.
I'm confused? Are you saying MC isn't worthwhile?
I'm totally fine with that.
LowerLevel
Member
No, it obviously is. 2 years ago I most likely would have said no only because I had no idea how big of a game/phenomenon it is. Now that my daughter is almost 6 and she discovered it herself with Stampylongnose and how much her friends talk about it, it's obvious it's crazy. Now my son, who watches her play, knows what Minecraft is as well.
I severely overlooked Minecraft for a long time thinking it rather plain and simple looking is all.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
It doesnt work like that. It never has and never will.
Even if the machine is comparable in power, there will be different OS overheads, input methods to support (doubly so if we believe the entire rumour) and other quirks to the system.
I have no problem with the idea tha Nintendo is bring things closer to the other consoles in terms of hardware, but extra power does not mean it will "just run", nor does it suggest higher resoultions or AA as plenty Console ports on PC can readily attest.
To believe that the NX is a more powerful system than both the PS4 and Xbox one is to also believe that Nintendo and third parties are planning to put in more time and investment into their games to use that extra power.
As in the previous generation, most werent even bothered to make competent ports and Nintendo themselves only really focused on performance, I find it very hard to believe.
LordRaptor
Member
I think its pointless to speculate on zero knowledge, but the fact that lazy console ports exist on the PC where visual enhancements and improved performance occur purely due to brute force of the PCs power differential actually says the opposite to what you are saying - that third parties are fine with quick ports to better hardware.
I do think that the most logical end point is a Steam like service for Playstation and Nintendo on the PC (but likely not for many years).
My issue is that, isn't the PC market declining (as in the home computer market, not the PC gaming market) where everything has been usurped by tablets and mobile to an even bigger extent than gaming?
Unless by PCs you mean "any personal computing device"?
It would be interesting to see how publishers try to convert the current "casual-hardcore" crowd if this came about (my term for the players that will pick up the biggest releases and nothing else, which are a bigger proportion of the console user base than the PC user base).
Stonewall Cornball
Banned
Correct me if I am wrong, but Sony is just choosing to take advantage of the smaller nanoscale manufacturing process now available to AMD, yes?
Perhaps Sony and others are just using the opportunity available to them at this point in time, one that still allows them to not break compatibility of software with older hardware.
It may in fact take another five years before there's a real cost benefit to increasing performance while remaining arbitrarily confined to a limited thermal output, all while willing to break software compatibility, no?
Because so far I think that's been one of the hallmarks of what defines a new console generation, which is the willingness to break software compatibility.
spatenfloot
Member
Did someone already make the "Is there any reason why NX won't dominate Japan?" thread yet?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Bingo!
I don't think so.
Capcom didn't even get the complete game by the end of it's fiscal year!
Stonewall Cornball
Banned
Is there a patent on Minecraft?
I'm confused as to why there are more Dota clones, rather than better looking Minecraft clones.
Why hasn't Sony been throwing ICE at it, starting yesterday? Are they legally bound?
I'm confused as to why there are more Dota clones, rather than better looking Minecraft clones.
Why hasn't Sony been throwing ICE at it, starting yesterday? Are they legally bound?
spatenfloot
Member
Didn't he get demoted to Captain?
Welfare
Member
Why make a clone when they have Minecraft on the console? The clone will fail spectacularly.
BruceLeeRoy
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BritBloke916
Member
There are MANY clones. The Dragon Quest one is apparently good. I'm partial to Ace Of Spades. But these are the tip of a vast iceberg.