Bitch Pudding
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No way, this changes everything!
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NPD Sales Results for March 2016
- Thread starter Nirolak
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No way, this changes everything!
I assume you mean cumulative launch aligned.
worldwide or US?
Worldwide I would hazard a guess and say it's pretty near if not already below but the problem is that since we don't get numbers from MS anymore this graph hasn't been updated in a while
I think at this point it is lower than the PS3 launch aligned and on the threshold of going lower than the 360 as it's been selling less than it the past couple of months.
slavesnyder
Member
The MS console upgrade should then be the XBono
I'm with my phone. Wait i will back at home and i will reply you with numbers + graph.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Id still wait till the hoilday season to say this. I think the XB1 is still going to have a massive Sept-Dec, but its going to be too little too late. There is still life in the old girl yet.
I think as you said with WW it ends up just being speculation, so US with NPD data at least is something we could discuss factually and when the cross over point could be...I assume you mean cumulative launch aligned.
worldwide or US?
Worldwide I would hazard a guess and say it's pretty near if not already below but the problem is that since we don't get numbers from MS anymore this graph hasn't been updated in a while
I think at this point it is lower than the PS3 launch aligned and on the threshold of going lower than the 360 as it's been selling less than it the past couple of months.
Cheers - if you really get bored you can try it aligned without launch period (first 2 months?) to see how much front loading helped XOs position against the X360.
ps3ud0 8)
Nightengale
Member
It's not a big month, but it's not exactly a quiet month for Xbox.
On March, they've got :
- The Division bundle
- Quantum Break bundle ( yes, this was made available in March for some reason )
- Spring Sale $50 discount on all bundles
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Still waiting on the original "Ultra 64/Project Reality" graphics...
LordRaptor
Member
I really don't see how mobile is closer to "console gaming" than it is to PC gaming...?
And that makes things worse for Xbox.
Gap has widened considerably compared to last year where in most months the difference used to be less than 50k.
Now we're at a point where PS4 can outsell them by a significant margin (90k) in a price cut+promotion month.
But I don't think this is surprising at all, Xbox One has never been a well received product. They have tried to keep it afloat in their main market with price cuts and promotions but they can't do miracles if the interest is not there.
It's obvious they feel the pressure to replace it with a new product.
And PS4 is still benefiting from the Call of Duty bundle/marketing -- something that it didn't have last year which is playing a role in why the monthly gaps during the early part of this year have been bigger than last year.
There's interest in the Xbox One in America (hence the fact that the split between it and the PS4 isn't huge) but MS has pretty much set/created a rule that people shouldn't buy their console outside of the Holiday season. Most people don't buy consoles outside of the Holiday season anyway, but the (pretty big) deals that MS have made every year this gen have just pushed that fact even more.
And yeah, I think the deals for the Xbox One now, alongside the fact that MS has changed the 1 TB bundles to include Halo 5 pretty much show that they want to make room for the new Xbox; There's no other point in having these big sales/deals during months in which many people typically don't buy consoles.
Here we go.
Excluding the firsts 2 months of sales:
XBO = 9,929,000
X360 = 9,292,000
XBOX = 6,962,000
Including launch months: ( Zhuge beated me to make this, so i use his graph)
XBO = 11,746,000
X360 = 9,899,000
XBOX = 8,384,000
Also, Q1 third year sales
X360 = 747,000
XBO = 622,000
XBOX = 594,000
slavesnyder
Member
If I read the charts correctly, about as many people buy consoles in the holiday season as in the complete rest of the year. You just should not give up on those by only concentrating on the most sales-heavy months.
If your competition is busy all year you have to make up a lot in those few weeks. and if the competition isn't lazy then either you will get problems.
ethomaz
Banned
More info about Xbone vs 360:
360 sales referent to 2016: 4,735,400
360 sales referent to 2017: 4,770,700
360 sales referent to 2018: 6,764,089
This year will be close with 360 doing a bit better than Xbone but next year... well in two years 360 will overtake Xbone doing over 2 million more.
Edit - Fixed years.
360 sales referent to 2016: 4,735,400
360 sales referent to 2017: 4,770,700
360 sales referent to 2018: 6,764,089
This year will be close with 360 doing a bit better than Xbone but next year... well in two years 360 will overtake Xbone doing over 2 million more.
Edit - Fixed years.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Most exclusives drop off the next month after launch regardless of how they are received.
Yes, but one would think the $50 cut would nullify that by a considerable degree.
XBOX family Third year Q1 sales
X360 = 747,000
XBO = 622,000
XBOX = 594,000
PlayStation family Third year Q1 sales
PS2 = 1,348,000
PS4 = 965,000
PS3 = 697,000
Nintendo family (home) Fourth year Q1 sales
WII = 1,421,000
GC = 319,000
Wii U = 175,000
Nintendo family (handhelds) Sixth year Q1 sales
DS = 1,736,000
GBA = 563,000
3DS = 416,000
X360 = 747,000
XBO = 622,000
XBOX = 594,000
PlayStation family Third year Q1 sales
PS2 = 1,348,000
PS4 = 965,000
PS3 = 697,000
Nintendo family (home) Fourth year Q1 sales
WII = 1,421,000
GC = 319,000
Wii U = 175,000
Nintendo family (handhelds) Sixth year Q1 sales
DS = 1,736,000
GBA = 563,000
3DS = 416,000
Welfare
Member
In the US, I predict the XB1 will fall behind the 360 in LTD sometime in year 5, or 2018/2010. Kinect and the slim launch really gave the 360 a shot in the arm, which is something the XB1 won't have in 2018.
Also, I'm currently looking into expanding that Weekly Average comparison series, and there is some interesting info on how consoles have been effected in the drop from March to April.
Also, I'm currently looking into expanding that Weekly Average comparison series, and there is some interesting info on how consoles have been effected in the drop from March to April.
I agree that they shouldn't give up -- neither MS or Sony have given up on the pre-Holiday months. It's just that both know how big the Holiday season is so they save the bigger deals for that time... MS more so, which thus (in my opinion) hurts the Xbox One even more during the months before that period starts.
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Agree, though at the same time, many people who care solely about price wait until the Holiday season.
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I think it's too soon to say that the 360 will beat the Xbox One in America after each system's respective third year (2008 vs. 2016). Novembers this gen have been far bigger in terms of console sales in comparison to Novembers before 2010, and if the new Xbox comes this year, then the system should attract a decent number of current Xbox One owners. The 360 Slim didn't come this soon during the previous gen.
I definitely agree though that the 360 should overtake the Xbox One in America next year -- well, unless this new Xbox (if true) will be far more successful than I think it will be.
CosmicQueso
Member
I'm holding off making any long-term hardware projections until after E3. I'm just hearing far too many different things about what might happen, my take is things are still a bit liquid in terms of strategies.
Smart thing to do.
I mean, shit man. What a huge difference in sales. Wii and Wii U.....damn.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Its a scary thought that this E3 may very well decide what direction the entire console market heads from here on out.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
I thought it's already clear. MS will make a PC steam box, Sony is going for the elite/normal models and Nintendo is Nintendo and does whatever they want. In the end there's only Sony and Nintendo in the traditional console market because MS tries to grab that PC money.
CosmicQueso
Member
Yeah thought I had a handle on how things would go, but then got contradictory info.
The insider people laying out things in the other threads may all be being completely honest and forthcoming from the point in time or whom they heard things from. Lots of stuff floating around out there right now.
Wouldn't be the first time. Going into E3 2013, people feared we'd be going into an always-online, no used games future.
...You made a mistake Etho.
360 2008 is the 2016 of XB1, and 360 2009 is the 2017 of XB1.
360 sales referent to 2016: 4.74 million
360 sales referent to 2017: 4.77 million
360 sales referent to 2018: 6.76 million
...That said, i think XB1 will sell way worse in 2017 compared to 360 in 2009, while 2018 VS 2010 is gonna be a massacre.
I also think the new XBOX will release in 2018, i can see an almost 4 million gap this year.
CosmicQueso
Member
So some people will indeed be surprised this E3.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Oh, really? I haven't followed Nintendo news that closely. Nintendo out as well, interesting.
Hahaha, real laugh btw. Yeah, I remember this shit.
slavesnyder
Member
I generally hope so.
Leaks are nice and sad at the same time.
Searching for your christmas gifts is fun. Finding them ruins it.
Has Nintendo been in the "traditional market" in the past decade? Seems like they've been on a parallel track for some time, and expecting them go conservative on the market is... peculiar to me.
But will it come with a power cable? That'd be pretty non-traditional! (Oh and, any word on if they are doing another NWC?)
But will it come with a power cable? That'd be pretty non-traditional! (Oh and, any word on if they are doing another NWC?)
Nothing about the recent rumors really suggest something nontraditional.
slavesnyder
Member
Nice
ethomaz
Banned
Ohhhhhh yeap my mistake.
Thanks for the trouble - your graph looks like it shows why MS went all in with the cheap bundling that first holiday season after launch since the XO was trailing the X360 without that significant launch period (obviously you cant ignore these sales as they existed, Im just saying MoM performance just needed a push by MS).Here we go.
Excluding the firsts 2 months of sales:
XBO = 9,929,000
X360 = 9,292,000
XBOX = 6,962,000
TBH I dont really see any real informative inroads into the XO lead so Id say its still marginal/equidistant at best so I doubt any real changes happen until the X360 started to sell well so I doubt my premise was accurate at all - should have said next year...
ps3ud0 8)
XBO will beat 360 referent in 2016.
Last year XBO sold 4.93 million... honestly with this trend i can't see XBO be up YOY.
Imo, not even with a slim model. I can see XBO flat at best, but a big down YOY seem more likely.
I think will sell about the same of 360 in 2008.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Nope.
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My hype for E3 2016 is growing.
So many potential megatons, which would serve as a perfect encore to last year's trifecta at Sony's conference.
I doubt we'll have to wait until E3. But yeah, Nintendo talked about a "brand new concept" since the day NX was (code)name-dropped, so i'm not sure why so many people are convinced that they will release a traditional console.
Jon Carter
Member
This made me go to YouTube to listen to The Sound of Silence.
Welfare
Member
A slim model will mean 2016 is up YoY. Why would it be down big YoY even without it when it's only down 5% YTD so far?
A price drop will happen this year, and more likely than not, a Slim model will accompany that.
Xbox 360 sales in January - May 2009: 1,380,000
Xbox 360 sales in June - October 2009: 1,261,200
Xbox 360 sales in January - May 2010: 1,473,200
Xbox 360 sales in June (Slim launch) - October (before Kinect) 2010: 2,060,900
And that was with no price cut accompanying the slim model.
Two things are possible to happen this year. One is a guarantee, the other is highly likely. Both of them happening is the smartest thing MS can do.
The guarantee is a price cut to $299. The highly likely one is a slim model.
KillerMan91
Member
At the first look you might think that 3DS is not doing that bad against the sixth year of GBA but that is only because DS had already launched back then.
Stonewall Cornball
Banned
Any time you are spending $60 on a game, you'd better be living in that very fear.
A future without used sales would be a very bleak, dystopian future indeed.
Even on Steam, I won't impulse buy anything if it can't be bought for less than what one would earn for one hour's worth of work on the current federal minimum wage and I know some people poor enough to require even stricter standards than that.
Jon Carter
Member
I wonder if Nintendo released the DS a little too early. The GBA just kept going, basically giving no fucks. They were most likely scared of the PSP so the DS seemed like a good idea, but it's so strange how the GBA just refused to be killed.
I hope the next generation will be more kind to the Nintendo handheld in North America. I don't remember people playing with GB/DS/PSP outside of the home much, like they do with their phones, so I'm not sure that it's a handheld killer, just like it isn't a home console killer. The 3DS was a great system even compared with home consoles. The problem is it lost steam in the West at about the same Nintendo let up their efforts and the releases got more rare and of lower quality or impact. I think if the NX has graphics on-par with mobile gaming standards, they'd still be able to make ambitious games for it in year 4, 5, 6 without looking super outdated.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
How will Quantum Break be counted in April? You get the PC code with the XB1 code ... Another devious PR opportunity for MS?