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[The Grim Reaper]

I wonder what Atlus thinks of this number...

They couldn't have expected it to do anything glamorous.

It sold twice as much as Devil Survivor: Overclocked did in its opening month.

So I imagine Atlus is quite happy. They're a niche publisher, after all.

I thought the Wii sold around 41 million and not 45 million last gen.I don't think the ps4 is going to break 40 million by the end of the gen like the 360 and Wii

Wii LTD in the USA was 41.8 million as of June 2014. I assume its sales have been very low since then, so I wouldn't go much higher than 42 million.

 

[EmptySpace]

Not counting that the terrible sales of the XB1 in May 2014 were also due to the early announcement of the Kinectless bundle too (May 13th 2014 for a June 9th release)

But yeah... People thinking that Sony is going to wait until November for a price cut at this point, I don't know what else to tell you...
I'd be shocked if the PS4 doesn't go at least $50 down this E3 (for the 500Gb model that is).

what?

that wasn't my point. my point was why would xbox be the clear winner when we don't know of any totals? even if xbone was up 10% yoy and ps4 down 8% yoy if the ps4 came from a really high 5-month total like 300k a month down by 8% means they're selling 276k a month right now vs. xbox at 150k a month up 10% would be 165k.

so really, context is everything.

ps4 has been winning at 399 vs xbone at 349.

all these "if sony doesn't do this...mindshare...momentum shift..etc." talk have been going on for months and months now.

this happened when xbone dropped to match the 399 price. happened when they dropped again to 349. i mean, how many times dinwe have to hear from armchair analysts how sony has to do this and that or else...?

 

[NateDrake]

ps3 wasn't $400 until september 2008. it was $500 in may 2008.

Wasn't the 40GB model $399 available in 2007 and most of 2008?

 

[Javin98]

He was not agreeing with you and LOL at the bolded. Where were you in march?

Malevolent people thrive on the negative news. I can bet that the poster you quoted won't show up in the June NPD thread.

 

[KillerSloth]

Malevolent people thrive on the negative news. I can bet that the poster you quoted won't show up in the June NPD thread.

Yep cherry picking months and ignoring all the months sales are big. Ignoring total sales compared to previous gens etc... How convenient.

 

[sörine]

It is true but I believe PS4 will do better than Wii in later years... Wii dead was really early for a console.

Later years being years 6+ perhaps but it's difficult to really project that far out. Wii years 2-4 are basically untouchable and year 5 might be beyond PS4's grasp even.

 

[donny2112]

Will drop 50% or more.

It's not a core game. If it truly follows the more mainstream Nintendo game mindset, it shouldn't drop so much (or at all) in MOM numbers. Remember that June gives it an extra week to sale.

 

[Obliterator]

One thing we need to remember is PS4 still hasn't released the big guns. Its major franchises like Uncharted haven't hit yet, and the thing is still launch price. It has plenty of momentum ahead of it. I've been upfront I think its 2015 performance is a little disappointing but that doesn't mean it can't move major hardware still.

Cross gen needs to die in a fucking fire though, and for the most part it has. COD being cross gen is hugely disappointing though, as that thing would move hardware.

 

[donny2112]

April was both Easter and tax month, right?

Easter showed up in March (Easter was April 5, so buying was in March NPD period). February tends to be the (probably) bigger tax-effect month, too.

 

[KingSnake]

It is true but I believe PS4 will do better than Wii in later years... Wii dead was really early for a console.

Yeah have to be crazy to think ps4 will fall off a cliff like the wii did, and no its trajectory is nothing alike, as wii was massive for 3-4 years then died...ps4 wont die like wii did. Wii was on pace to beat ps2...for years, then collapsed. The wii was something totally different then any regular console sales curve.

Wii really dropped heavily after year 5 on the market. Sure, if you assume PS4 will be on the market actively for 7 years, it will overpass Wii, but I very much doubt it will be the main Sony console/device for that long. It's a different generation, the starting point in technology was much lower, they are trying now to push into VR, that will trigger a shorter generation than the last one.

 

[sörine]

He was not agreeing with you and LOL at the bolded. Where were you in march?

I think you might need to reread what he wrote.

 

[bigboss370]

so, are marketing deals worth it or even going to matter for Xb1 anymore? Witcher 3 still sold more on PS4, and CoD is still selling more on PS4...


does this mean less Witcher 3 type marketing deals and more Tomb Raider type timed exclusive deals?

 

[Striek]

I think you might need to reread what he wrote.

I'd "agree" to this

 

[Welfare]

You just love to compare months, don't you? FYI, 350K is the minimum I think it would sell. Even 450K is possible but right now it's too early to tell.

Is it though? Is it really?

The only time a 7th gen console did double or more than double the results it had in May to June was the 360, and that was thanks to the Slim model. 360 June 2010 was up MoM by 133%. May was 194k and June was 452k.

The year MGS4 launched, the PS3 in May did 209k, and then in June did 406k, or an increase of 94%. Pretty close, but no cigar.

With the PS4's performance right now with $399, I expect it to only get as high as slightly above 300k, which is actually very similar to the PS3 in 2010, where it did 154k in May and then 305k in June.

 

[Javin98]

This gen is a bit of a weird gen IMO. Here's the way I see things go:
Both consoles have huge openings, then in the second year, things start to slow down. Price drop at the end of this year and sales shoot up again. Peak years in 2016-2017. Sales gradually drop after that.

Is it though? Is it really?

The only time a 7th gen console did double or more than double the results it had in May to June was the 360, and that was thanks to the Slim model. 360 June 2010 was up MoM by 133%. May was 194k and June was 452k.

The year MGS4 launched, the PS3 in May did 209k, and then in June did 406k, or an increase of 94%. Pretty close, but no cigar.

With the PS4's performance right now with $399, I expect it to only get as high as slightly above 300k, which is actually very similar to the PS3 in 2010, where it did 154k in May and then 305k in June.

I don't know. Like I said, still too early to tell. It really depends on how well the Batman bundles sell and how much stock is available. And I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. This gen seems to break away from traditional generations.

 

[allan-bh]

Project Cars hit 1 million. That's strange looking at NPD. It's a super hit in Europe or is selling much more on PC?

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Project Cars hit 1 million. That's strange looking at NPD. It's a super hit in Europe or is selling much more on PC?

I imagine it's a combination of a variety of factors. USA physical retail is clearly not its intended audience, and I think they knew that from the beginning.

 

[Obliterator]

Project Cars hit 1 million. That's strange looking at NPD. It's a super hit in Europe or is selling much more on PC?

Must be big in Europe. Car games in general in the US are doing really poorly this generation.

 

[vin-buc]

NPD threads are remarkable with the memories of sales from seven years ago. I would love to be in on those monthly meetings when those miniscule Wii U numbers are disclosed. Reggie was so full of it last gen. He's on that humble pie diet munching month in, month out. Same for Greenberg - I remember seeing him in pics on a bed with 2 blonde chick's and champagne - where is he now? Quiet as a mouse. That humble pie goes full circle - Sony ate it for years last gen. The pie has a lasting effect - read the PR. Everyone "humbled".

 

[donny2112]

MGS4 launched that month.

And last BC PS3 launched that month.

 

[Bruno MB]

Project Cars hit 1 million. That's strange looking at NPD. It's a super hit in Europe or is selling much more on PC?

It had strong sales in Europe, for example: UK > US in its first month of sales.

 

[KillerSloth]

Are racing games dying in the US? PC did 1 mill already and seemed to have tanked in the US>

 

[theprodigy]

Project Cars hit 1 million. That's strange looking at NPD. It's a super hit in Europe or is selling much more on PC?

racing games in general have the vast majority of their audience in Europe, I thought this was well known by now (unless you're Mario Kart lol)

 

[The Grim Reaper]

NPD threads are remarkable with the memories of sales from seven years ago. I would love to be in on those monthly meetings when those miniscule Wii U numbers are disclosed. Reggie was so full of it last gen. He's on that humble pie diet munching month in, month out. Same for Greenberg - I remember seeing him in pics on a bed with 2 blonde chick's and champagne - where is he now? Quiet as a mouse. That humble pie goes full circle - Sony ate it for years last gen. The pie has a lasting effect - read the PR. Everyone "humbled".

Arrogance leads to complacence. I for one like this new humbled Big 3.

 

[KillerSloth]

Wii really dropped heavily after year 5 on the market. Sure, if you assume PS4 will be on the market actively for 7 years, it will overpass Wii, but I very much doubt it will be the main Sony console/device for that long. It's a different generation, the starting point in technology was much lower, they are trying now to push into VR, that will trigger a shorter generation than the last one.

PS4 will be viable in many places 7 years in..sony sells consoles to many territories, many of which buy them when they are much cheaper and have been out for a long time. ps4 won't be any different. PS2 and ps1 were also had lower starting point for tech, PS4 will be close to 10 years on the market like all sony consoles. VR won't take off IMo for it to push anything.

 

[Kolx]

so, are marketing deals worth it or even going to matter for Xb1 anymore? Witcher 3 still sold more on PS4, and CoD is still selling more on PS4...


does this mean less Witcher 3 type marketing deals and more Tomb Raider type timed exclusive deals?

The Witcher 3 marketing probably didn't even cost 5% of what RotTR cost MS, so no I don't think we would see more of RotTR just because of this because at the end it's still too expensive to get more of it. They would still get 5-6 third party games marketing deals at least every year but a RotTR type of deal won't be more than 1-2 maximum a year.

 

[Obliterator]

Are racing games dying in the US? PC did 1 mill already and seemed to have tanked in the US>

Pretty much. No traditional racing game this entire gen has had a "great" performance in the US

 

[Welfare]

I don't know. Like I said, still too early to tell. It really depends on how well the Batman bundles sell and how much stock is available. And I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. This gen seems to break away from traditional generations.

Are you kidding me? Did you forget

Wait. What is this bullshit?

Xbox 360 April 2007 (Second April) 174k

PS4 April 2015 (Second April) 174k

PS3 April 2008 (Second April) 187k

Xbox One April 2015 (Second April) 187k

714k
1
7
4

This generation is so lame. I'm calling the PS4 will be 155k in May, just like the 360 did.

And I was close too.

 

[KillerSloth]

Pretty much. No traditional racing game this entire gen has had a "great" performance in the US

This seems odd to me, why would the US shun racing games and not elsewhere?

 

[Sandfox]

PS4 will be viable in many places 7 years in..sony sells consoles to many territories, many of which buy them when they are much cheaper and have been out for a long time. ps4 won't be any different. PS2 and ps1 were also had lower starting point for tech, PS4 will be close to 10 years on the market like all sony consoles. VR won't take off IMo for it to push anything.

Doesn't that really depend on the length of the generation? It could very well be shorter this time around.

 

[KillerSloth]

Doesn't that really depend on the length of the generation? It could very well be shorter this time around.

Consoles sell years after a new gen starts......like ps1, ps2 and ps3 still is. Ps2 sold millions after ps3 launched.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Are you kidding me? Did you forget




And I was close too.

Heh.

 

[donny2112]

So for anyone who likes to shoot 3s, which score would be most appealing from the NBA finals so far?

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/page/playoffindex/nba-finals-coverage#round4

Game 1: Warriors 108, Cavs 100 (OT)
Game 2: Cavs 95, Warriors 93 (OT)
Game 3: Cavs 96, Warriors 91
Game 4: Warriors 103, Cavs 82

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Consoles sell years after a new gen starts......like ps1, ps2 and ps3 still is. Ps2 sold millions after ps3 launched.

The Game Boy Color, GBA to an extent, the original Xbox, and others all had their lifecycles truncated.

Those are three examples where the consoles absolutely flatlined sales-wise the instant the successor released and a new gen started. It could happen with modern-day consoles.

 

[KingSnake]

PS4 will be viable in many places 7 years in..sony sells consoles to many territories, many of which buy them when they are much cheaper and have been out for a long time. ps4 won't be any different. PS2 and ps1 were also had lower starting point for tech, PS4 will be close to 10 years on the market like all sony consoles. VR won't take off IMo for it to push anything.

Just look at the trends and look at the potential gap after 5 years in US. Then add the huge gap that will be created in Japan. You don't close that gap with the territories that sell some tens of thousands of console 7-10 years form now. You need US, UK, France and Germany.

Also look at how much and how fast PS3 dropped since PS4 launched, compared to previous generation when PS2 kept on selling pretty well after PS3 launched.

It's a different market. From launch to the end of the generation it will be a different market.

 

[ZSaberLink]

Is it though? Is it really?

The only time a 7th gen console did double or more than double the results it had in May to June was the 360, and that was thanks to the Slim model. 360 June 2010 was up MoM by 133%. May was 194k and June was 452k.

The year MGS4 launched, the PS3 in May did 209k, and then in June did 406k, or an increase of 94%. Pretty close, but no cigar.

With the PS4's performance right now with $399, I expect it to only get as high as slightly above 300k, which is actually very similar to the PS3 in 2010, where it did 154k in May and then 305k in June.

Ironically the Wii U meets that bar last year xD. Yeh I know the #s are low which made it possible, but it's fun to point out.

 

[Sandfox]

Consoles sell years after a new gen starts......like ps1, ps2 and ps3 still is. Ps2 sold millions after ps3 launched.

Yeah, but if the generation were to say last five years I don't see the PS4 lasting as long as the PS1 and PS2 did. Also, I don't think the PS4 will be selling like those platforms later in its life.

 

[Dr. Feel Good]

The Game Boy Color, GBA to an extent, the original Xbox, and others all had their lifecycles truncated.

Those are three examples where the consoles absolutely flatlined sales-wise the instant the successor released and a new gen started. It could happen with modern-day consoles.

GBA did not flatline when the DS came out. It regularly outsold the DS kn the first year. It even outsold the PS3 in 2007.

 

[Obliterator]

So, honestly guys, how on earth does Nintendo ride out another year on Wii U? The thing is just doing next to nothing in terms of hardware. I'm genuinely curious what opinions are in here as to what they can do. It doesn't seem like we are getting a new home console from them until at least late 2016 and maybe even not until 2017 since they aren't showing or announcing any new hardware at E3.

I just don't see how they can ride this thing out for another 1-2 years.

 

[Welfare]

Ironically the Wii U meets that bar last year xD. Yeh I know the #s are low which made it possible, but it's fun to point out.

And Xbox one as well lol. But yeah, pretty low to begin with.

Consoles with respectable numbers won't have that happen.

 

[Chobel]

Geez! What a pathetic month.

Project Cars hit 1 million. That's strange looking at NPD. It's a super hit in Europe or is selling much more on PC?

PC is only 160K according to Steamspy.

 

[donny2112]

I just don't see how they can ride this thing out for another 1-2 years.

Sunk costs. Don't throw good money after bad. Mild price cut or more bundling.

Something like that.

 

[vin-buc]

I think Zelda will release on a new Nintendo console next year. Nintendo needs to take it to the pound. Those numbers man.

 

[Sandfox]

So, honestly guys, how on earth does Nintendo ride out another year on Wii U? The thing is just doing next to nothing in terms of hardware. I'm genuinely curious what opinions are in here as to what they can do. It doesn't seem like we are getting a new home console from them until at least late 2016 and maybe even not until 2017 since they aren't showing or announcing any new hardware at E3.

I just don't see how they can ride this thing out for another 1-2 years.

They just need to continue what they've been doing this year.

 

[crinale]

So, honestly guys, how on earth does Nintendo ride out another year on Wii U? The thing is just doing next to nothing in terms of hardware. I'm genuinely curious what opinions are in here as to what they can do. It doesn't seem like we are getting a new home console from them until at least late 2016 and maybe even not until 2017 since they aren't showing or announcing any new hardware at E3.

I just don't see how they can ride this thing out for another 1-2 years.

They may do the same what they did to Wii.

 

[Welfare]

So, honestly guys, how on earth does Nintendo ride out another year on Wii U? The thing is just doing next to nothing in terms of hardware. I'm genuinely curious what opinions are in here as to what they can do. It doesn't seem like we are getting a new home console from them until at least late 2016 and maybe even not until 2017 since they aren't showing or announcing any new hardware at E3.

I just don't see how they can ride this thing out for another 1-2 years.

They already turned to the Devil in the UK last year. Just do it again.

They may do the same what they did to Wii.

Let it die a slow painful death?

 

[arevin01]

Xbox YoY increases while PS4 decreases? XB1 gaining momentum.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

GBA did not flatline when the DS came out. It regularly outsold the DS kn the first year. It even outsold the PS3 in 2006.

That's why I added that *to an extent* qualifier.

After December 2006, the GBA died very quickly in the USA market with steep YOY declines.

That's only two years after the DS came out.


It's not like the PS2 which continued to persist 4+ years into the PS3's lifecycle.


The Xbox and GBC were much sharper declines.

 

[Striek]

So for anyone who likes to shoot 3s, which score would be most appealing from the NBA finals so far?

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/page/playoffindex/nba-finals-coverage#round4

Game 1: Warriors 108, Cavs 100 (OT)
Game 2: Cavs 95, Warriors 93 (OT)
Game 3: Cavs 96, Warriors 91
Game 4: Warriors 103, Cavs 82

Anyone going to attempt to decipher this?

3DS 91-93k?

 

[KingSnake]

So, honestly guys, how on earth does Nintendo ride out another year on Wii U? The thing is just doing next to nothing in terms of hardware. I'm genuinely curious what opinions are in here as to what they can do. It doesn't seem like we are getting a new home console from them until at least late 2016 and maybe even not until 2017 since they aren't showing or announcing any new hardware at E3.

I just don't see how they can ride this thing out for another 1-2 years.

Keeping the costs low and trying to make as many of games as possible profitable. And trying to sell aroung 3 mio. consoles per year. They just returned to profit, the last thing they need now is another rushed launch with all the related costs and uncertain benefits.

Edit: also lots of DLCs and amiibo.