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[Nightengale]

CoD drops further. I don't hate the franchise but honestly I'd like for it to decline a fair bit so things can shake up a bunch in the FPS category. Let new IPs break-in and move away from the ADS-centric gameplay to some sort of new hotness.

You're assuming Acti will actually let any of their trifecta take a risk on a new IP...

Their new IP investment so far seems to be "let someone else make that new IP ( like Bungie!), our studios will be CoD factories!"

 

[AniHawk]

Bit unfair to single out that post as it was before creamsugar posted the chart and all we had to go on was CBOaT's claim of 7-10k difference.

unfair? yes. poorly researched? ...yes.

 

[FZZ]

I can't believe people thought Smash would spur a sales spike for the Wii U when Mario Kart couldn't. Now you have people kidding themselves again and moving the goalposts to games like Splatoon, X and Zelda.

There will be a price drop next year for sure, as to whether it does more than what Smash did this year is dependent on if they make a bundle with Smash or Kart that's readily available. Not saying it's gonna start doing 300k+ but another 5% increase next November wouldn't be too shocking, especially considering how low its already selling.

 

[Bananajama]

I'd love to know if they're even making a profit on each console sold at the moment.

From what I'm seeing DDR3 isn't getting any cheaper and is actually starting to increase in costs

 

[televator]

Sony seems like they got drop kicked off the top rope if that pie chart is accurate. They should still have the lead as far as install base, no? They should maybe recoup and think up a strategy before they eventually lose that.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Now is not the time for funny gifs, now is a time for reflection. A time for Sony to re-evaluate their approach to the market. To fight now would be fruitless, they must adapt, they must evolve, they must....upgrade to face the new challenges that lay ahead of them.

The road may be bloody, the lion they face at the end may be fierce and born of a jackal, but Sony must endure for it is their destiny to take back the throne and instil order.

But where does the dragon fit in?

 

[travisbickle]

No, PS4 was sold at a slight loss at first, something like 20 USD iirc.
Xbone is definitely sold at a loss now, especially taking into consideration the value of the bundled software.

I think the breakdown also showed the XB1 (without Kinect) costing more to manufacture than the PS4 because of memory choice. So the One is definitely losing money. And you wonder how much 3rd parties have MS by the balls when making deals for pack-in software too.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

The combination of the early cboat post and the creamsugar correction has made this one of the best NPS threads in the long.

The before/after reactions are hilarious.

Well done MS, now keep that momentum going into next year.

Wii U is done.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

wait Cboat was wrong?

Whats the new figures? Did we get any software numbers?

 

[Gadfly]

Would somebody provide a link to the Titanfall thread and the argument between CBOAT and ntkrnl referred to in this thread? Thanks.

I tried a search but too many results are coming back. What was it all about?

 

[Nightengale]

I'd love to know if they're even making a profit on each console sold at the moment.

From what I'm seeing DDR3 isn't getting any cheaper and is actually starting to increase in costs

PS4's making a profit atm. Sony/Kaz Hirai commented on it in the beginning of the year (it's already profitable at a hardware level ), and a large bulks of their quarterly profits in the past 2 quarters are all hardware, not software.

 

[liger05]

Wii u sales blow and it seems like in the UK Nintendo are not being very aggressive with their marketing for the wii u but not surprised. The wii u is a dead platform, why spend a fortune on marketing and advertising when it won't really change much?

Ride out the generation the most cost effective way possible and try and move on from this disaster as soon possible.

 

[hemo memo]

Insiders with wrong information.. again.

Anyway, good job for Microsoft.

 

[Occam]

If we assume Microsoft lost $50 USD (which is probably on the low end) per console sold (including the cost of bundled software), then November cost them $60 million in the USA alone.

 

[Raist]

wait Cboat was wrong?

Whats the new figures? Did we get any software numbers?

Yes, plenty. Read the thread.

 

[Nightengale]

But where does the dragon fit in?

When the snake bites the apple, it becomes the dragon.

 

[bombshell]

Sony seems like they got drop kicked off the top rope if that pie chart is accurate. They should still have the lead as far as install base, no? They should maybe recoup and think up a strategy before they eventually lose that.

Yeah, they were over 1M in front in the US before November so still comfortably in the lead, but the gap has become narrower.

Worldwide there's no contest.

 

[Omegabalmung9]

But where does the dragon fit in?

I'm surprised it haven't showed up yet lol

 

[EatMyFace]

Sony seems like they got drop kicked off the top rope if that pie chart is accurate. They should still have the lead as far as install base, no? They should maybe recoup and think up a strategy before they eventually lose that.

The good thing about Sony is that they have a lot of cards to play. Microsoft had already played all of theirs.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Be fair. The console is up like 37%-ish to last year.

That is exactly what you'd call "raising sales" - it would have been much worse without mario kart. So yea smash could have done more but stil up double digits to last year this month

Shows just how badly the platform is doing.

Shit sales that for any other platform would mean dead and buried still warrant the term "raising".

Still the most alarming aspect is those software sales. Hardware sales are to be expected for the platform. But these software numbers are becoming a consistent trend. Big game release nearly all software sales are consolidated to that one title, and then dreadful until the next release.

 

[Regret Upon Approval]

You're assuming Acti will actually let any of their trifecta take a risk on a new IP...

Their new IP investment so far seems to be "let someone else make that new IP ( like Bungie!), our studios will be CoD factories!"

It need not be Activ to break in with the new IP.
A CoD decline yields an opening.

 

[Occam]

Yeah, they were over 1M in front before November so still comfortably in the lead in the US, but the gap has closed.

Worldwide there's no contest.

You mean it's still there.

 

[Nightengale]

It need not be Activ to break in with the new IP.
A CoD decline yields an opening.

It's getting pretty damn crowded.

 

[adamsapple]

Once again guys... the highest launch for the series.

Well that is a consolation

 

[quetz67]

Is 700k + 800k bundled reasonable for Unity?

If they can ship some 4-5M worldwide this year that would probably mean they finally kiss cross gen goodbye?!

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Yes, plenty. Read the thread.

Looks like cream sugar came back

Still cannot believe Cboat lied.

Wow at XB1 numbers. MS why would you not talk about that.

 

[bombshell]

You mean it's still there.

Sorry, closed was the wrong word. English is not my first language.

 

[GillianSeed79]

I'm kind of surprised and somewhat pleased with that top 10 other than Dragon Age bombing.

Eh....it kind of reaffirms my feelings that I am becoming less and less interested in the mainstream AAA console game market. No offense, I have heard good things about the new CoD, but man even Ghosts couldn't Tony Hawk the franchise. GTAV at no. 2? Another remaster. And two games completely broken at launch. Oh and DI not even charting.

 

[Saty]

Again, DAI is doing fine: best debut for the franchise to date. Also, digital is way more a factor now than ever so if you add 20% on top, you're looking at a very comfortable margin over the first two games: being 11th for the month where you've been dormant for years and everything else is either an annual sequel or remake all while increasing your sales, hard to see anything bad there

If i remember correctly, DA2's launch was better than DA:O's but the last time we had LTD shipments for both, the original game was higher or the same. So we will see about DA:I's legs. And there's always the question whether the better launch makes up for the longer development time and being on 5 platforms.

 

[Nightengale]

If they can ship some 4-5M worldwide this year that would probably mean they finally kiss cross gen goodbye?!

Not if "legs" of software sales are still largely contributed from last-gen instead of current-gen.

 

[Occam]

Sorry, closed was the wrong word. English is not my first language.

It has become narrower.

 

[vesvci]

If we assume Microsoft lost $50 USD (which is probably on the low end) per console sold (including the cost of bundled software), then November cost them $60 million in the USA alone.

Don't forget the free games added to the already existing bundles. I'd say MS literally bought the November NPD. Eh, they do have deep enough pockets.

 

[stryke]

Sorry, closed was the wrong word. English is not my first language.

Reduced or decreased is what you'd be looking for.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

It has become narrower.

Narrowing looks less weird.

 

[ISee]

No, PS4 was sold at a slight loss at first, something like 20 USD iirc.
Xbone is definitely sold at a loss now, especially taking into consideration the value of the bundled software.

Interesting. I remeber reading some german articles about sony raising a very small profit with every PS4. I wonder what is true.

e.g. this one

or this one

google translate for your convinience.

and the other one

 

[quetz67]

Not if "legs" of software sales are still largely contributed from last-gen instead of current-gen.

A direct comparison between Unity and Rogue would probably show there is no longer that large contribution.

 

[RandyBobandy]

So it wasn't 7k? I went to sleep

 

[ISee]

So it wasn't 7k? I went to sleep

Nope, about 800k to 1,2kk

 

[mugwhump]

MS is hungry, no doubt about it. But will they maintain the price drop?

And damn no dragon age? Guess DA2 caught up with them.

Spoiler

I look forward to the same thing happening with the next Asscreed

edit: or not.

 

[GamerJM]

Shows just how badly the platform is doing.

Shit sales that for any other platform would mean dead and buried still warrant the term "raising".

Still the most alarming aspect is those software sales. Hardware sales are to be expected for the platform. But these software numbers are becoming a consistent trend. Big game release nearly all software sales are consolidated to that one title, and then dreadful until the next release.

I don't think this is really that awful or surprising relative to the hardware sales and what's happening though. Nintendo's not doing any price cuts on games or hardware which really limits the legs of Wii U games, since most potential new buyers are just buying the console for recently released games (since there's no other incentive to pick one up now vs. in the past), and people who didn't pick up older titles have no incentive to do so now vs. when they came out. Anything other than big name releases isn't going to very sell well at all considering how small the Wii U's install base is. There's also the fact that aside from a handful of games like the Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2, the smaller release lineup consists of shovelware like Sonic Boom, or the occasional multiplat which is inevitably going to be mostly purchased on competing platforms.

 

[Nightengale]

Interesting. I remeber reading some german articles about sony raising a very small profit with every PS4. I wonder what is true.

Marketing/Logistics/etc do add to COGs per unit. It's not all about how much it cost to manufacture, but the dollar invested per console from a marketing standpoint.

At launch, there was a bit of a loss, which is apparently recouped back with a purchase of one game and PS+.

Currently, it's profitable at a hardware level.

 

[Rymuth]

Maybe, but the #1 rule in the vidya gamez business is never, ever, count Nintendo out.

This quote really makes me happy.

 

[quetz67]

Nope, about 800k to 1,2kk

800K-1.2M instead of 7k?

 

[Yatōkiri_Kilgharrah]

No need to go that far. I didn't give my blessings for that.

Now now dont be a shill please.

 

[Occam]

Don't forget the free games added to the already existing bundles. I'd say MS literally bought the November NPD. Eh, they do have deep enough pockets.

Yeah, it's probably closer to $100 million. I wonder how much they lost globally due to Xbone sales in November.

 

[Black Republican]

Awesome

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Sucks for Dragon Age 3

I guess Dragon Age 4 will be once again dumbed down and full of shitty Blink 182/ Linkin Park rock songs

PRESS A FOR AWESOME: THE SEQUEL

 

[Corto]

MS is hungry, no doubt about it. But will they maintain the price drop?

And damn no dragon age? Guess DA2 caught up with them.

Spoiler

I look forward to the same thing happening with the next Asscreed

They need to maintain the price, the only way they would change it would be to decrease it further and that won't happen so soon.

 

[slavesnyder]

well, last time i checked i only saw cboat's info, so i was quite shocked. now with creamsugars pie it all makes more sense. spectacular result for microsoft. congrats. december might be theirs, too. but it's a very hard paid victory. xbox became cannon fodder.
i do not know if they can keep this policy. and if they don't, or, lord have mercy, ps4 cuts the price, too, 2015 might become a long and painful year for ms.
but for instance: enjoy you victory, spencer, and let the pr dogs loose.

 

[Nightengale]

800K-1.2M instead of 7k?

A difference of approximately 400k between XB1S4 sales in Nov.