Actual we do know 1 and 3 and we knew since before launch.
NPD Sales Results for November 2014 [Up3: NPD Data Error, AC:U #5]
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Actual we do know 1 and 3 and we knew since before launch.
1st Course
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PS3 sales:
US: 25m (nov 2013)
UK: 5m (oct 2012) < can't find newer figure.
Last know WW ltd: 80m (nov 2, 2013)
So roughly 37.5% of PS3 WW sales are from US/UK. And this % is only going to get lower with time as Sony systems tend to sell couple of millions more units in emerging markets by end of their life before discontinuation.
It's not surprising.
The family market is disappearing. Deals would not have helped. The teen-to-30s male market is still OK. But, if kids don't cut their teeth on things like gba/Ds/Wii/kinnect1, will they transition over to stabby/shooty power fantasy games? I have my doubts. I bet the average age of a console gamer is increasing, just like with Opera/Symphony goers.
ZSaberLink
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Finally caught up on this thread... Great #s for PS4 & XB1. Props to everyone but Nintendo =(....
Btw Harker, you said the Wii U software ecosystem is like a cavern... but I'm kind of curious whether the the top 9 non-new releases on PS4/XB1 add up to CoD's sales either (aka based on your Smash comparison).
Also Bayo 2 2nd month sales = top X SKU on Wii U? My guess is Smash > MK8 > JD/Skylanders/DI2.0 > Bayo 2 2nd month? Does Hyrule have any legs?
At least I feel like the Wii U has gone from "Nothing sells at all" to "some tentpole titles kind of sell in their first month" after MK8. Is that not the case? It's not a huge leap, but it seems better than nothing at least.
Btw Harker, you said the Wii U software ecosystem is like a cavern... but I'm kind of curious whether the the top 9 non-new releases on PS4/XB1 add up to CoD's sales either (aka based on your Smash comparison).
Also Bayo 2 2nd month sales = top X SKU on Wii U? My guess is Smash > MK8 > JD/Skylanders/DI2.0 > Bayo 2 2nd month? Does Hyrule have any legs?
At least I feel like the Wii U has gone from "Nothing sells at all" to "some tentpole titles kind of sell in their first month" after MK8. Is that not the case? It's not a huge leap, but it seems better than nothing at least.
Increasingly, it is only there for share buybacks, which increase price, and get the execs their bonuses.
shinra-bansho
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Given what's been shared, and assuming when percentages have been given for only the PS4 SKU for certain titles, cs is only comparing the current gen SKUs (which is what he has done before) just taking GTA, Unity and FC4 amounts to the same as COD for the PS4. If you take the same titles for the XBO, the MCC quite easily pushes over the amount COD sold.
I.e. these other titles are still selling hundreds of thousands, while COD does it's million two hundred or so on each of the platforms.
I don't know if this is a function of COD's retail decline though, in part.
ZSaberLink
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Right, but I was asking for non-new titles. As in titles released in a prior month. Both Unity & FC4 were released in November right? The reason the Wii U software ecosystem might look like "Smash, and then everything else really low", is because it has so few new releases. I guess though Lego Batman 3, Sonic Boom Wii U, and Watch Dogs Wii U did release for the system, but apart from Lego, I see no reason for those to sell well (quality for Sonic & just lack of interest for watch Dogs).
shinra-bansho
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Oh I missed that.
Yes, they did. Madden sold more than any of these titles, but the platform distribution is unknown, likewise 2K14. But the numbers are likely in the hundreds of thousands as well given their chart positioning.
I don't think Harker specified non-new releases in his original comment though.
It's something of a flawed comparison. The Wii U doesn't have as many new releases competing with Smash, obviously, but as you note in your edit the new releases it did have didn't exactly light up the charts. Limiting comparison to only non-new releases amounts to only considering PS4/XBO titles that have already sold considerable amounts (which isn't necessarily the case for Wii U releases new or non-new) and are competing with a slew of AAA new software releases rather than just one big release.
HighResTomato
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You could not be any more wrong.
From April
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businesslatestnews/10760392/Apple-and-Microsoft-have-bigger-cash-holdings-than-UK.html
and since Microsoft has again reported big profits.
This numbers are from November 18,2014
One Millions PS4 Consoles Sold in Germany, Heavily Outselling Wii U and Xbox One
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2014/11/18/ps4-germany-sales-past-1-million/
One Millions PS4 Consoles Sold in Germany, Heavily Outselling Wii U and Xbox One
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2014/11/18/ps4-germany-sales-past-1-million/
and yet, we were not able to buy the 20th anniversary ps4. only 20 for germany in a lottery. wuhuuuu....
That is really amazing. Happy for sony.
Most of PS4 sales from PC? We do know PS4 has passed 1m in Germany and is thus PS4's 3rd biggest market globally (behind US and barely behind UK). France should not be far behind. Then PS4 has every other European country on its side as well + Asia/Africa/Australasia. Together they make for a sizeable figure
anexanhume
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People talking about Xbox division's demise are omitting the fact that MS has poured and lost billions on their phone and tablet efforts with no good return on revenue or profit, despite them being much larger markets. MS will ride out Xbox if they think it can return to profitability, and I don't see any reason it shouldn't be able to with their strong ability to generate services revenue (which even phone and tablet can't do unless they're office subscribers).
Spain isn't huge but the gap was 5:1 PS4 I thought at last report.
Spain isn't huge but the gap was 5:1 PS4 I thought at last report.
Most of the people talking like this are wishful thinkers. Xbox is a household name. Its not going anywhere.
I agree. Plus 3rd party publishers, etc. don't exactly get 100% of the profits for being digital only, because there's server costs involved, & having to pay both Microsoft & Sony for having the games on XBL & PSN, etc.
TheLaughingStock
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I'd throw both PS and Xbox in the trash because under the best case they make small profits and under the worst case huge losses. The ROI is crap and the strategic positioning is debatable.
miDnIghtEr20C
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Nice! Was waiting for some numbers that have nothing to do with NPD. Phew! Everything is ok.
Ahh OK, thanks buddy
^^^ Great Post!!!
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Maybe that family market's moved over to XBO and PS4?
A lot of this is over my head, but in layman's terms....are you saying MS is valued at $387 billion but doesn't actually have $387 billion?
Sales of little big planet 3 and kinect sports rivals certainly prove that
They care about profitability, not about being #1 in sales.
So what? That doesn't exactly mean that the Xbox brand has unlimited funds or that Microsoft can just easily spend all of their money on the Xbox division. Their shareholders will flip the fuck out.
Does it hurt?
Steverulez
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If Microsoft bought out all the 3rd party publishers they'd probably still have money left over.
The whole "spend all their money on Xbox" argument is a silly one because they have so fucking much and we can see that they're not anywhere near doing that. Theres plenty of money for Xbox
MS make around 16 billion dollers a year? and sony are having a loss?, plus MS has hordes of money as well far greater then what sony has.
You would of thought MS would be able to spend quite a bit more wouldn't you, I dont know what else there is telling use otherwise.
MS said they spending $1 billion investing in games and new game studios , I wonder what the time frame is on that amount?
KillerMan91
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Of course they could. Doesn't change the fact that they are not spending billions of money to Xbox if they don't see good returns for it. They are not in gaming business to win console wars for their console warriors. They are there to make money. There is a reason why MS also abandoned the extreme razor and blades business model this gen with Xbox despite that they had easily money to sustain it. It costed too much and didn't make business sense. As long as Sony is not bankrupt MS hoarding massive amounts of money doesn't matter a shit when it comes to gaming.
StoppedInTracks
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Wii U is done for. Nintendo better release its successor ASAP.
Wonder how big the Xbone <---> PS4 gap will be in December's NPD. I would say +/- 33% of current one (400k).
Wonder how big the Xbone <---> PS4 gap will be in December's NPD. I would say +/- 33% of current one (400k).
Steverulez
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Well, I don't know exactly how its all going to happen but there seems to be several new studios of unknown size/intentions: LXP, Platform Next, [Fun]ction Studios, SOTA and Decisive Games (new RTS studio) - now, whether some of these get merged or not I have no idea really, but they all seem to exist in some sort for some purpose. Things seem to be progressing at LXP somewhat as I've seen a few Linkedin changes in recent months, the others are a lot more elusive. I doubt they opened 5 new studios for AAA games but either way it seems like a decent level of investment
Team Dakota have opened a new incubation team to start a new project, Twisted Pixel have been hiring a lot recently, Rare have an incubation team too (I'm unsure if its new or not, it might be), Lionhead are hiring a lot and working on new IP in their incubation team
Twisted Pixel and Rare both looking for people with UE4 and Unity experience, Rare are almost certainly working on more than one game and also avatars but I'm unsure if TP just want people with experience on the modern popular engines or if there is more than one things going on over there, there is kind of a hint that they might be.
Lift London are also working on console in some capacity and PressPlay have several unannounced original IP in development iirc.
Not to mention Black Tusk are hiring for Gears, 343i are working on a "new product line" of Halo games or something (probably Halo Wars 2 tbh)
Everything seems to be expanding in time
It doesn't seem like it so far. Consoles have lost a significant portion of the pull they had with women, young children, and older adults (a group colloquially referred to as "families.")
It doesn't mean it's impossible to get them back, but this is really what we're talking about when we talk about market contraction for consoles. The console market is doing more than fine with 16-35 males; it's doing less well with most other demographics, relative to how it did last generation.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Just because Microsoft could do something doesn't mean that they will especially if there's no incentive to do it. They could probably win every single generation and drive Sony and Nintendo out of business if they were aggressive enough with their money and yet they don't.
I think people are letting the warzzz and emotions get in the way of the facts of how corporations operate.
I think people are letting the warzzz and emotions get in the way of the facts of how corporations operate.
This is such a strawman argument, smh.
From an investor's perspective, and the board, there are divisions that either make money or not (hint: the xbox one has hardly ever made any, aside for a time with Kinect1), and divisions that are of strategic importance or not. The only thing that has saved the Xbox division so far from the fate of a Zune, is that it is considered strategically important.
How long will having a set top box under the tv be important in a world of Chrome, Smart tvs and tablets?
Sonys priorities, being a hardware maker with a cinema/ television studio are actually different.
For now MS (the parent company) still thinks they can own the living room through Xbox. Not sure it's going to be the case much longer after 2015, but we'll see.
I don't think you understand exactly how much money Microsoft has sitting around.
Phil Spencer already said in a interview that he has a blank check and has permission to buy any studio he wants if he wanted to.
Take the 2014 best sellers charts and add the month after "2014" : http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014-12/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar/180-4709278-0672633#2
For December Xbox One is first. PS4 is 38
That's amazing.
MS should be doing stuff like this more often, put that money to use.
Steverulez
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Their history with acquisitions is pretty poor and they've certainly dropped off from doing it regularly. The 5 most recent ones are Mojang, PressPlay, Twisted Pixel, BigPark and Lionhead (dating that far back).
LH were in bad financial difficulties, I think PressPlay were going that way and were already working with MS on Max and wanted to not have to worry about doing contract work, TP I'm unsure about, BigPark was Don Mattricks baby before he went to MS and Mojang was for Minecraft.
Taking out BP and Mojang it seems to me considering the long list of other studios that have gone elsewhere in the past (Double Helix, RedLynx etc) I think unless a studio is in trouble of money issues MS won't really dip in and buy them.
I would love it if MS bought Remedy and Playground personally, but I suspect neither of them want them to be bought. Im not expecting any other studio acquisitions either
AmaterasuOni
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Yes, like buying titles which were annouced for all platforms. That'll make them really, really, really popular among gamers! Wait...
How do you get that honestly? Don't see a option for month.
My page has ACU bundle at #7, standard PS4 at #28.
Well I'll be damned it's that simple.
Canis lupus
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But X1 seems to have had a cracking November in US/UK despite the TR exclusivity, so sour gamers on the opposite end haven't really impacted them. Pretty confident next TR will be huge, MS will push it hard.
MS have shareholders and investors who can vote, just like any other company. Here's the twist. PS4 is currently printing money for Sony when its other divisions are floundering, whereas most of MS's divisions print money apart from Gaming which is now struggling with a product that will only sell under apparently extreme forced circumstances which isn't profitable.
Which set of shareholders do you think are currently happy with their gaming ventures?
This is interesting. Makes sense that the bigger/prominent studios won't be available for acquisition, they'll benefit from remaining multiplat.
What's keeping Remedy from joining MS 1st party?
Dude they just bought Mojang for shit ton of money.
KillerMan91
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Mojang purchase was mainly because of Windows Phone and not Xbox though.
Steverulez
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I suspect they are happy working with Microsoft independently and they also have their mobile projects on the side. If the relationship is good (which it seems to be) then there really isn't any need for MS to buy them. Acquisitions seem to come with the top people in the studio signing 5/6 year contracts then leaving anyway so... theres that too.
What happens to Remedy and Remedy/MS if Quantum Break doesnt sell well though will be interesting to watch. Alan Wake was great though, so im hoping QB does well.
Minecraft was because Notch wanted to sell. Windows Phone version was already in development
AmaterasuOni
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Of course with that price. It's kind of dumb to not to buy an X1 with that price if you're going to buy it anyway. It's a steal.
But that TR deal is still one of the shadiest things MS have done this year. People really loved that move.
I said this before. I don't think TR is one of those games that will push a huge amount of systems. Sure it's a game you'll buy because it's on your platform. But it's not a game you can't live without imo.
If this is a game MS is hoping to put up against Uncharted 4. I fear they are going to lose that battle.
Alone no. But if halo 5 is legitimately a good game. Having tomb raider and quantum break only strengthens the consiles value during that fall period.
If it turns out that TR is essentially just like uncharted and uncharted is Sonys big game for the fall, it'll just make MS line up look that much better