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[crinale]

Well I didn't expect that PS4's mind share is already that strong.
What should MS do next then?

 

[bombshell]

Lmao, what's that based on?

He said what, based on his opinion lol

 

[RowdyReverb]

See you all next year during Halo 5's launch because not much is happening competition wise until then. :/

But what about Quantum Break and The Order? Surely those will be game changers!

 

[QaaQer]

To be fair, it certainly had the potential. Incompetence by 343i and poor word of mouth really spoiled what should have been a celebration of the Halo franchise. Shame. I doubt Microsoft would have let them delay the game either, not if it meant missing the holiday shopping season.

In 343's defense, they didn't do any of the work. It was contracted out.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Absolutely not, but I don't think people were gonna buy 399 Xbox Ones regardless. I always saw going back to 350 as inevitable.

And yeah, Microsoft had to make major cuts, but the devastation for that probably settled in long ago when they made the decision to make major cuts.

The Xbone wasn't selling badly at 399, it was just not selling as well as the PS4.

Now it'll actually do bad.

 

[Tamanon]

I say rebrand the Wii U as Wii HD and put out some mature titles along with the E rated stuff.

Should help out a bit.

You mean like Bayonetta 2? It doesn't sound like "Mature" titles are the issue. Third parties are.

 

[Magwik]

Wasn't expecting 3DS numbers to be low enough for Nintendo not to comment. We'll probably see prices fall over the next few weeks due to excessive stock.

 

[Welfare]

What were LTDs last month? Anyone?

8450k is what I have.

 

[sense]

I thought creamsugar doesn't have access to NPD anymore? Or was it just last month?

he was supposedly joking and was playing along with that whole reply quote email thing

 

[bananafactory]

CBAOT is downplaying as usual.

The difference IMO is between 100-200k.

IMO it's more like 500k. Age of Sony is done.

 

[Amir0x]

Had gamers done good it wouldn't have been on the chart at all.

It was bundled with a million XB1 consoles though.

True, that is true. I retract my thankfulness toward gamers

I don't understand why you're looking at this just from the perspective of a console war. Yeah, if you're looking at this as Sony vs. Microsoft then you're right, but just in terms of sales Microsoft was likely extremely successful this holiday season. If Microsoft met their sales number goals than they're going to be happy, Sony vs. Microsoft doesn't matter in anything other than fanboy wars as long as Microsoft can still secure positive third-party relations and solid sales. If both the PS4 and the Xbox One sold over 1 million then both consoles "won".

It's not a console war, it's from the perspective of a business objective.

They can talk whatever they want, but Microsoft internally is not happy that PS4 is dominating them even at a higher price with no games packed in than MS is typically month-to-month, nor are they going to be happy that they went so deep into their pockets to slash XBO price with multiple games included and only barely edged out PS4. You don't take drastic measures like that if your only expectation is to barely win over your competition, who is still higher priced. Because remember, due to the slashed price, they have to sell considerably more units to make the profit worth it.

Did they sell enough units to do that? Admittedly, we'll have to see if we get hard numbers to tell that fact. If they both sold 1.5 million, then yeah at least MS from a business perspective can say they met some of their objectives.

But it does mean now they are in a tough spot strategically. Their price cut only allowed a barely-there victory in a single month. It's almost certain PS4 will win December NPD, and then all months after. And if XBO goes up in price, will consumers react by purchasing even less of XBO in off-holiday months than usual? It's a real possibility

 

[CrisKre]

If anything this proves Amiibos sales to Nintendo fans not potential new WiiU owners.

Thats why I stated IF they do take of with the general public. Also, what you stated is not a certainty. To early to tell. Smash has casual appeal.

 

[shinra-bansho]

what "reality"?... none of us knows what the actual numbers are and its frustrating as hell.

The reality that sales numbers aren't a matter of opinion. They're a matter of tracking and data.

IMO doesn't come into it. Ergo, bizarre post.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

Wii U is such a flop lmao never fails to crack me up.

At least 8 mio buyer thinks otherwise. And Nintendo probably makes already a lot of money with this thing and its software.

Nintendo earned more money with the GC than Sony with the PS2, despite the big sales difference.

 

[RedAssedApe]

this thread gonna be a rollercoaster if cboat is actually talking bout something else...like different between COD or GTA sales

 

[Syphon Filter]

7-10k dif

Dam Sony ain't a joke

 

[OléGunner]

7-10k dif

Wow. A hollow victory if I ever saw one.

 

[SgtCobra]

Lmao, what's that based on?

His opinion :lol

 

[Mass Effect]

CBAOT is downplaying as usual.

The difference IMO is between 100-200k.

That's not how it works. Cboat presumably has numbers. Do you or are you just making shit up?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I say rebrand the Wii U as Wii HD and put out some mature titles along with the E rated stuff.

Should help out a bit.

I think the Wii name is the real problem. People instantly associate it with the one they have in their cupboard and haven't used in years.

Hopefully Ninty look elsewhere when naming their next console.

 

[Koobion]

I can't think of a good PR statement for Sony, because saying "we almost won while not cutting our price" doesn't sound good, while in reality with how close it was - it's awesome.

 

[TomShoe]

I say rebrand the Wii U as Wii HD and put out some mature titles along with the E rated stuff.

Should help out a bit.

Are console manufacturers that scared of traditional numbering?

Slap a 2 in front of it and call it a day.

 

[cyberheater]

What devastating costs? Are you a MS stock holder? Do you know their detailed financial plan?


It comes down to this, the brand is healthy and you guys are talking out of your ass.

It is pointless discussing MS stuff with Amir0x when he's in full fledged anti MS mode.

 

[AdanVC]

EA must not be happy.

Y u no buy Dragon Age, people?!?!

The irony is that when EA finally makes a great game such as DAI, literally nobody buy it and don't chart. But when they release broken-ass/unfinished games, they stay on charts for 3 or 4 consecutive months... Sigh. DAI desserves to be there instead of Ass Creed! At least is nice to see that the massive fail launch of Unity truly affected their sales.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Not really. Last gen hardware sales are falling off sharply. Current gen hardware sales are fairly flat (forgot what they were last year), or at least not massively higher.

Right, forgot about PS3/360 sales, that makes sense. Just figured current-gen sales might be up somewhat thanks to Black Friday plus general increased affordability plus bundles plus (theoretically) actually having games now.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Congrats MS.

 

[SykoTech]

Gotta love how CBOAT snuck that in on the first page. Flawless posting.

from predictions thread

LMAO. Best gif I've seen in a while, and right on the money.

 

[JP]

Did Microsoft give a date for when they were supposed to be selling the Xbox at full price again? It'll be interesting to see what happens there, wasn't expecting them to raise the price again but even if they were stupid enough to do that it really can't be an option any more.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

It should be obvious to anyone now that by limiting the 20th Anniversary PS4 to 12.3k units and waiting until PSX to sell them, Sony really shot themselves in the foot.

25k units and a November launch, and this generation would be going very differently right now.

 

[RoKKeR]

See you all next year during Halo 5's launch because not much is happening competition wise until then. :/

Year, early 2015 is barren.

 

[harSon]

Always have faith in cboat

cboat was one of the original leakers talking about xbox 360.

I wish he'd drop in with some positive news

There first party situation is a bit of a mystery at this point, and it'd be nice to hear something from the inside regarding it. Mainly Rare...

 

[Minions]

On the contrary, I'd imagine they see setting a new sales record for the system as a big success, regardless of how Sony did.

Losing 54 million dollars to "outsell" your competitor by 10k is a fools errand. That number assumes $60 difference between standard and sale prices and "900k" consoles sold. If less consoles sold then the number would go down. If you include the cost of the games included then the number goes up. (not even taking into account games included)

 

[akashhhhh]

If anything this proves Amiibos sales to Nintendo fans not potential new WiiU owners.

Was there a theory floating around that figurines move consoles?

I don't think that was the strategy...

 

[Tamanon]

I can't think of a good PR statement for Sony, because saying "we almost won while not cutting our price" doesn't sound good, while in reality with how close it was - it's awesome.

Would a million PS4's be a record number for a Sony console? If so, that's an easy PR puffer.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Maybe BioWare shouldn't have pissed everybody off with DA2 and ME3. You can't release shit products and expect people to keep buying without hesitation.

ok ME3 was NOT a shit product... original ending aside, the game itself was superb

 

[EhoaVash]

odd to see pokemon games separate but not smash especially since smash wii u is a completely different beast compared to to the 3DS version

also shame on wii u numbers. yeah if anyone wanted this console. they probably already have it. if anyone wanted the next zelda, they probably already own this console.
.

price drop ninty ..but that still wont' help them in this situation lol. neither will dropping the wii u and making a more beefy console

 

[bananafactory]

I can't think of a good PR statement for Sony, because saying "we almost won while not cutting our price" doesn't sound good, while in reality with how close it was - it's awesome.

If US/UK was that close I am sure they won worldwide, could simply say something like that or provide an update on their LTD numbers.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

250k for WiiU in November is just..........no words. I'm speechless.

 

[sense]

At least 8 mio buyer thinks otherwise. And Nintendo probably makes already a lot of money with this thing and its software.

Nintendo earned more money with the GC than Sony with the PS2, despite the big sales difference.

i am sorry, what? is this real or are you pulling stuff out of your behind

 

[Lynn616]

Devastating to the product.
Devastating to the Xbox brand.
Devastating to the gaming division of Microsoft.

Not so devastating in the entirety of Microsoft.

There are many ways to fillet this fish.

Where are you getting your numbers from? How could you know any of this?

 

[7DollarHagane]

The problem is that they can't afford to do this. Dem Gamepad manufacturing costs. And they don't seem to want/be able to drop the Gamepad (which is probably the biggest issue at hand).

It's absolutely time to drop the gamepad and rebrand as the "WiiUPro" at $150 and patch all existing software to work with the WiiU Pro Controller and pack two in.

Hell, pack Mario Kart 8 pre-installed, Wii U without gamepad, and two Pro Controllers for $200 and you have a winner.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Gotta love how CBOAT snuck that in on the first page. Flawless posting.



LMAO. Best gif I've seen in a while, and right on the money.

sony don't care...still celebrating and paying no attention to anyone else. arrogant sony is back

 

[AHA-Lambda]

If anything this proves Amiibos sales to Nintendo fans not potential new WiiU owners.

Bu-bu-but that one analyst said they were worth billions!! :O

 

[joecanada]

Pass the salt. This ain't DA2.

no salt here, didn't want to buy , didn't buy, and they flopped hard and I feel it was deserved. DA2 was a slap in the face.
still going to play it too, buy it off ebay.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Well my predictions are dead and buried. Shouldn't have been swayed by the antedotal retail musings

Too optimistic on Wii U, too pessimistic on XB1/PS4, PS4 especially

Oh well

Don't fret there's a lot of us in that same boat. Can't believe I thought XBO would do 507k tho; my math wasn't that wrong but you can't calculate people.

 

[bishoptl]

Why is everyone taking cboat's numbers as truth. When has he ever given numbers?

2006 or so?

 

[orochi91]

I think the Wii name is the real problem. People instantly associate it with the one they have in their cupboard and haven't used in years.

Hopefully Ninty look elsewhere when naming their next console.

Are console manufacturers that scared of traditional numbering?

Slap a 2 in front of it and call it a day.

GCN HD 2.0

There.

You're welcome, Nintendo.

 

[Stone Ocean]

CBAOT is downplaying as usual.

The difference IMO is between 100-200k.

Microsoft would be shouting at the rooftops, get real.

 

[Road]

uh, so

that 23% yoy hardware drop seems harsh

2013: 909k Xbox One x $500 = $455 million

2014: (hypothetical) 1 million Xbox One x $350 = $350 million.

That's one of the reasons.

 

[Immaculate]

i am sorry, what? is this real or are you pulling stuff out of your behind

He's not lying