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[draughn101]

This is all guess work and loose pattern recognition, so I can only go off my gut from listening to Nvidia PR for 20 years. Using pattern recognition I was able to accurately guess the 1080/1070 price and performance and laughed at for it http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=199819110&postcount=152 All evidence points to FE being designed as launch demand SKU then re-positioning itself as a reference SKU. I don't recall Nvidia ever saying 1080 FE would be $699 for its lifetime, that makes little sense. If we are going to have reference quality cards in July-August at $599, the FE will not be selling at $699. Nvidia is being vague and somewhat consumer negative about all things FE. My personal view is Nvidia, and the board makers are taking financial advantage of initial demand. PR wise creating a launch SKU that will serve as reference later in the cards life is so much better than saying we're going to up the price for the first 3-4 weeks. I'll be curious ti see the quality of the other AIB $599 cards.

What evidence exactly? And them pulling the bait and switch is worse than outright saying they are going to up the price for 3-4 weeks. You could easily market a "launch edition", throw in a T-shirt and make the card orange and you've solved you launch markup issue and avoided a lot of the backlash. They absolutely said that they believe the FE card is worth 699 and see it as a mid range card to be sold for the duration of its life. Yes, it can see a price drop, but it's market dependent. I think their price model makes complete sense. It sucks but it makes sense.
Where do you see reference quality cards at 599 in July-August?

 

[Efren is G.O.A.T.]

What evidence exactly? And them pulling the bait and switch is worse than outright saying they are going to up the price for 3-4 weeks. You could easily market a "launch edition", throw in a T-shirt and make the card orange and you've solved you launch markup issue and avoided a lot of the backlash. They absolutely said that they believe the FE card is worth 699 and see it as a mid range card to be sold for the duration of its life. Yes, it can see a price drop, but it's market dependent. I think their price model makes complete sense. It sucks but it makes sense.
Where do you see reference quality cards at 599 in July-August?

I thought the only reason why they warranted the extra 100$ was for a better cooling system? I don't know if that is worth an extra 100$ but I can understand that it could be worth an extra something...

All I'm waiting for is for the Asus DCU3 version of that gtx 1080. Do you think we will see both the founders and the non-founders from them?

 

[Onemic]

I thought the only reason why they warranted the extra 100$ was for a better cooling system? I don't know if that is worth an extra 100$ but I can understand that it could be worth an extra something...

It doesnt have a better cooling system. It's just a standard reference card.

 

[Leatherface]

GALAX would need to pay me £620 to put that in my PC.

Yeah, this shit is NOT going in my rig. lol

 

[Momentary]

Yeah, this shit is NOT going in my rig. lol

I'll bite that GP102 and update with the GV202. I'm guessing I'll have a good 5 years before that happens.

 

[Ocelott]

Why would you assume that? That's contradictory to everything Nvidia has said so far. This is a 599 card (Galax). What happens to the price of this when the FE drops to 599? Dropping the price only plays further into the conception that this was a price grab from Nvidia. Not sure they'd be so stupid as to do make a move so close to launch proving their BS. They said repeatedly they think their FE is worth 699 and will sell at that price for the duration of the product. Expect crap to semi crap between 599-699, and better cards above that price point.

Now I see why Nvidia is charging $100 extra. That is a Ugly POS.

 

[demigod]

Why would you assume that? That's contradictory to everything Nvidia has said so far. This is a 599 card (Galax). What happens to the price of this when the FE drops to 599? Dropping the price only plays further into the conception that this was a price grab from Nvidia. Not sure they'd be so stupid as to do make a move so close to launch proving their BS. They said repeatedly they think their FE is worth 699 and will sell at that price for the duration of the product. Expect crap to semi crap between 599-699, and better cards above that price point.

There's no way custom coolers will be higher than $699. You're over Ti territory and these aren't meant to replace them.

 

[Onemic]

There's no way custom coolers will be higher than $699. You're over Ti territory and these aren't meant to replace them.

Why not? FE is already going at $50 more than the Ti.

 

[demigod]

Why not? FE is already going at $50 more than the Ti.

That's the $100 idiot tax. MSRP is $599.

 

[draughn101]

That's the $100 idiot tax. MSRP is $599.

I agree with him completely. Nvidia said the Founders Edition is the middle of the pricing structure. Slap on a great cooler, extra power port, and a heavy OC and these things will be well into the 700s.

Idiot tax to me is paying 599 for a card like the Galax. MSRP is 599 and 699. It's the best card in the market, without competition. How else should it be priced. A business exists to make money.

 

[holygeesus]

Are people going to buy this card at that price though? Obviously they will sell out on launch, but $700 is putting it in ti and Titan territory, and people willing to spend that kind of money will just wait for those surely, and the rest just buy the 1070?

 

[draughn101]

Are people going to buy this card at that price though? Obviously they will sell out on launch, but $700 is putting it in ti and Titan territory, and people willing to spend that kind of money will just wait for those surely, and the rest just buy the 1070?

Yea but it's better than those cards. People should be more upset that the prices on these other cards don't drop much at all. That's the real shame in all this.

 

[AmyS]

Obviously the GP102 will be used in GTX 1080 Ti, and probably Titan also. However I wouldn't discount the possibility of a Titan or Titan Pro with a full GP100 that includes the all the FP64 capabilities of the Telsa P100 and all SMs / CUDA cores active, a la Titan Black.

If you think that couldn't happen, well, this was much crazier.

Dual GK110s GTX Titan-Zombieapocalypse.

 

[Onemic]

Are people going to buy this card at that price though? Obviously they will sell out on launch, but $700 is putting it in ti and Titan territory, and people willing to spend that kind of money will just wait for those surely, and the rest just buy the 1070?

This is why I dont see a 1070 being as powerful as a 980Ti. Otherwise no one will buy the 1080 since the price disparity is even greater than the 970->980.

 

[draughn101]

This is why I dont see a 1070 being as powerful as a 980Ti. Otherwise no one will buy the 1080 since the price disparity is even greater than the 970->980.

Friday is going to be interesting. I'm curious to see what the ceiling is going to be with the 1080 when a great cooler and extra power are added.

 

[finalflame]

Has anyone benchmarked Overwatch on a 1080 yet? Kinda considering it again if I can get FPS closer to my monitor's 165hz.

 

[Mass Effect]

This is why I dont see a 1070 being as powerful as a 980Ti. Otherwise no one will buy the 1080 since the price disparity is even greater than the 970->980.

I hope we get 1070 benchmarks soon. I'm really curious to see where it stands.

 

[Engell]

I hope we get 1070 benchmarks soon. I'm really curious to see where it stands.

How about this one

 

[holygeesus]

Yea but it's better than those cards. People should be more upset that the prices on these other cards don't drop much at all. That's the real shame in all this.

I meant for the next ti and Titan not the current ones.

 

[Onemic]

How about this one

Wow, so it is better. Seems like this is gonna be another 970 situation again then.

 

[Ric Flair]

Now I see why Nvidia is charging $100 extra. That is a Ugly POS.

hahaha, it is pretty ugly isn't it

 

[Mass Effect]

How about this one

I meant benchmarks with actual games. Yes, I've seen that one. I hope that it gives similar performance as the 980ti with other games like it did with the 3DMark test, but there's no way to know until actual games are tested.

 

[Kieli]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, nVIDIA is creating new price structures for the 10xx generation.

$699 is middle-of-the-road prices. Expect AIB to be at par or more expensive (probably the latter).

The Ti iteration will clock in at around $1000 (if not more).

This is why I will be going AMD this cycle if they can release a compelling enough product at sane prices.

 

[Onemic]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, nVIDIA is creating new price structures for the 10xx generation.

$699 is middle-of-the-road prices. Expect AIB to be at par or more expensive (probably the latter).

The Ti iteration will clock in at around $1000 (if not more).

This is why I will be going AMD this cycle if they can release a compelling enough product at sane prices.

If AMD can actually live up to their statement of Polaris having relatively the same performance as a 980TI at 300 bucks, then this gen will go straight to them tbh.

 

[Zojirushi]

This is why I will be going AMD this cycle if they can release a compelling enough product at sane prices.

I'm pretty sure they won't though in these performance regions which is exactly why Nvidia can pull this off. Gotta hope for something good on 1070 level.

 

[Shifty Capone1]

If AMD can actually live up to their statement of Polaris having relatively the same performance as a 980TI at 300 bucks, then this gen will go straight to them tbh.

I hope this is true. The issue is so many people (me included) are locked into nVidia with G-Sync. I would rather be on AMD right now, but it just isn't feasible in any way. I could sell my monitor and pick a free sync one up, but that just is too much hassle. I really hope they hit that $300 so nVidia has completion again.

 

[Sothis Krieg]

It looks like something from the mid 90's

Matrox Mystique !

 

[digitalrelic]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, nVIDIA is creating new price structures for the 10xx generation.

$699 is middle-of-the-road prices. Expect AIB to be at par or more expensive (probably the latter).

The Ti iteration will clock in at around $1000 (if not more).

This is why I will be going AMD this cycle if they can release a compelling enough product at sane prices.

I have no idea why you'd think that. Even considering the price increases it's:

980 $549 > 1080 $699

With that in mind, I would be completely shocked if it went from

980 Ti $649 > 1080 Ti $1000+


I'm full expecting a $699 MSRP on the 1080 Ti, or $799 for the Founders Edition bullshit.

 

[dgrdsv]

A lot of people were hoping for a shrink in high end card sizes. That's a huge reason why people wanted it. SFF is getting big.

As someone said already it's very unlikely that cooling will be any smaller on HBM cards than it is on GDDR cards as the TDP won't be smaller in the top end. And with WC you can have a card of the same size as Fury X if you consider that you still need to count the radiator into these measurements. We are talking about a couple of centimeters difference at best.

 

[Jsheldon]

Hoping this isn't a re-post.....first 1070 benchmark?

http://videocardz.com/60265/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-3dmark-firestrike-benchmarks


Looks to be an hour old

 

[metareferential]

If AMD can actually live up to their statement of Polaris having relatively the same performance as a 980TI at 300 bucks, then this gen will go straight to them tbh.

AMD can't do that; and even if it did, I'm not leaving g-sync and other features just for that.

But mid-range users might and should switch.

 

[Xyber]

What's all this about the cards throttling after 5-10 mins? Wouldn't Kboost on Precision x prevent that?

I don't know what kboost does, but the card is both thermal and power limited. When the card hits 83C it throttles down until the temps are lower (and the card pretty much always stays at that temp). And you can't bump up the overclock too much because then the single 8-pin is not enough.

 

[Vuze]

Hoping this isn't a re-post.....first 1070 benchmark?

http://videocardz.com/60265/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-3dmark-firestrike-benchmarks


Looks to be an hour old

Seems like the reference design board for 1070 suffers from the same power limitation as the 1080 FE.

 

[Onemic]

AMD can't do that; and even if it did, I'm not leaving g-sync and other features just for that.

But mid-range users might and should switch.

Same here, Im locked in with g-sync. But considering most GPU buyers buy midrange and below a move like that would steal a ton of marketshare from Nvidia.

 

[finalflame]

1070 performing better than the 980 Ti for $379?

Motherfucking whoa.

 

[JaggedSac]

Hoping this isn't a re-post.....first 1070 benchmark?

http://videocardz.com/60265/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-3dmark-firestrike-benchmarks


Looks to be an hour old

Nice. Gonna grab that 1070 when OEMs start selling them. I'm in no rush since I am waiting for round 2 of VR games.

 

[Paganmoon]

Same here, Im locked in with g-sync. But considering most GPU buyers buy midrange and below a move like that would steal a ton of marketshare from Nvidia.

I'm not completely sure it'd be that easy for AMD. Nvidia has tons of mindshare. People connect the name with performance. This is why I think the top segment is so important, even if it's a small segment. AMD needs to get some mindshare, before it can actually get marketshare.

 

[bananas]

Well fuck the 1080, 1070 looks like the better choice.

 

[ZOONAMI]

1070 performing better than the 980 Ti for $379?

Motherfucking whoa.

$450 is the launch price of the 1070, and we have no idea when we'll actually see $379. Nvidia marketing has done a number on a lot of people.

 

[Eiji]

I see a non-reference 1070 in my PC in the near future

 

[hitgirl]

I always try to buy flagship cards, but I'm not doing 4k gaming yet. Wonder if I should just go with the 1070? I like to absolutely destroy games with 60fps and everything up though, sometimes downsampling.

 

[mrklaw]

Was thinking to maybe sell my 970 and get a cheap(ish) used 980ti, but might just go for a 1070 for potential VR benefits.

Timing is tricky though. Sell now to not lose too much and be left without a GPU for a month or more, or wait until 1070 is available and my 970 will be worth peanuts

 

[Megasoum]

I'm really tempted by the 1080 even if this really not reasonable lol. A bit overkill for my setup too.

I should wait for the 1070 but 1-I'm not patient and I want to play Doom and 2- If I'm gonna upgrade might as well go all in...


Ugh

 

[jfoul]

I always try to buy flagship cards, but I'm not doing 4k gaming yet. Wonder if I should just go with the 1070? I like to absolutely destroy games with 60fps and everything up though, sometimes downsampling.

Same here.

My upgrade to 4K includes a 60-65 inch OLED TV, and a new 7.2 A/V receiver with 4K/60 pass-through. By the time I'm ready to go with a full 4K setup we'll be on HBM2 cards, and more affordable OLED displays.

I'm really interested in seeing the benchmark results of the 1070 on water. The FE bullshit really fucks over people that want to just pop off the stock cooler and go with a block. Hopefully the FE pricing doesn't inflate the AIO solutions like the EVGA Hybrids.

 

[Onemic]

I'm really tempted by the 1080 even if this really not reasonable lol. A bit overkill for my setup too.

I should wait for the 1070 but 1-I'm not patient and I want to play Doom and 2- If I'm gonna upgrade might as well go all in...


Ugh

Yep, it's why I'm gonna be a sucker and get the 1080FE if it's available. I've had a Vive in my house for almost a week and I cant really use it much because Im severely underspec. Same with my g-sync monitor that I've had for 2 weeks sitting in its box because I have an AMD GPU. Im not gonna potentially wait a month plus to get a 1080....that may even end up costing more than the FE.

 

[metareferential]

Yep, it's why I'm gonna be a sucker and get the 1080FE if it's available. I've had a Vive in my house for almost a week and I cant really use it much because Im severely underspec. Same with my g-sync monitor that I've had for 2 weeks sitting in its box because I have an AMD GPU. Im not gonna potentially wait a month plus to get a 1080....that may even end up costing more than the FE.

Get a 980ti second-hand. If it's EVGA you still have 2+ years of warranty anyway. If you feel the urge to upgrade you can resell it later on and buy something else.

 

[michaelius]

Yep, it's why I'm gonna be a sucker and get the 1080FE if it's available. I've had a Vive in my house for almost a week and I cant really use it much because Im severely underspec. Same with my g-sync monitor that I've had for 2 weeks sitting in its box because I have an AMD GPU. Im not gonna potentially wait a month plus to get a 1080....that may even end up costing more than the FE.

You can use g-sync monitor with Amd card like any normal monitor ( vrr and ulmb of course won't work)

 

[Onemic]

Get a 980ti second-hand. If it's EVGA you still have 2+ years of warranty anyway. If you feel the urge to upgrade you can resell it later on and buy something else.

If I can get one for a low enough price I'd definitely consider it.

You can use g-sync monitor with Amd card like any normal monitor ( vrr and ulmb of course won't work)

I can, but it's 1440P and I have an R9 270. So if I use it right now all my games will run like a slideshow. Reducing the resolution to non native 1080P will just make it look worse than my current monitor, so I might as well just wait till I upgrade

 

[finalflame]

$450 is the launch price of the 1070, and we have no idea when we'll actually see $379. Nvidia marketing has done a number on a lot of people.

Ah. Still $200 cheaper than a 980 Ti for better performance, nuts.

 

[mario_O]

$450 is the launch price of the 1070, and we have no idea when we'll actually see $379. Nvidia marketing has done a number on a lot of people.

I expect the 1070 to cost around 550 euros here. And I'll very suprised if a partner sells it for less than 450. Definitely never gonna cost 370 here in Europe.