Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 reviews and benchmarks

Unknown Soldier said:
It's actually neat that you brought this up because one big reason why a lot of "mid-tier" gaming has vanished is because game production costs ballooned during the PS360 era and revenues couldn't keep up. Since then indies have risen up but the market today consists of indies and AAA franchises, with none of the mid-tier that existed in the PS2 era. Game sales have not steadily risen, in fact fewer consoles were sold in the PS360 era (with correspondingly lower software sales) than in the PS2/GC/Xbox era.

A number of the ideas which have emerged to try and boost revenues include expansion packs, DLC, pre-order bonuses (when the game is still full price), and even elimination of the used games trade in order to direct all revenue lost in the secondhand market to new game sales. As a last resort, what was previously one game has been divided over multiple games, such as the Half-Life 2 "Episodes" or even extending Starcraft II into a 3-game trilogy.

Make no mistake, the gaming industry has been facing a growing existential crisis for over a decade now as revenues have dramatically failed to keep up with costs. If game prices were indexed to inflation, a new game would cost $100 today to match the $50 it cost in 1990. Combine that with the enormous cost of producing a Call of Duty or Destiny and you can see why all that remains in the industry today are Call of Duty, Destiny, and indie Kickstarters.
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Yea I made a thread about this a while back, I think it's more than simply just revenues not keeping up as game sales are higher by a vast margin. The issue is growth and keeping up with inflation etc. The industry has changed because of this, specifically with short dev cycles on smaller scope games and large cost season passes.

1. Let's face it, AAA games are becoming consistently more expensive to produce while inflation has not kept up with what publishers traditionally believe a game has been worth over the years. Large publishers also need to address fiduciary interests so growth on top of traditional sales is needed, especially as they are essentially "losing money" as time goes on.

My assertion is that publishers have become more reactionary over time. To limit risk in terms of development because of increasing cost, and make up for those "losses" They push out framework, or foundational games at a $60 price tag with an additional cost for Season Pass. In the next year they then release DLC to fill out or round out the content, culminating in a Year one or Definitive edition that amounts to a complete title. This allows pubs/devs to adjust their resources and focus as they see fit over the last year of development depending on sales numbers of both the game and season pass. This is both a good and bad thing IMO. It can prompt developers to listen to community suggestions and then change/re-work parts of the game. However it can also be abused by causing publishers to reduce funding and change goals post release depending on how much value they see in it. I believe many AAA publishers think their "full" games should cost significantly more than $60 but simply don't believe people will be willing to pay the cost upfront for a completed title, thus resulting in a work in progress model of games.
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HOLEE-SHEET

If this is true, this is nuts.

Apparently Asus is teasing a new ROG Laptop with a suspected FULL SIZED GTX 1080 in the thing...

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I'm more excited about this than the damn reference card.
 
Don't know if this has been posted but here's a clock speed chart from Tom's Hardware

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A lot of benchmarks from this card are probably misleading because if you look at numbers from Metro Last Light at 4K, there's a big dropoff in core clock after around 3:00. Also, even with 100% fan, it cannot maintain a 2 GHz OC (15% overclock).

Just another reason to wait for AIB cards.
 
Mister Wolf said:
I will max the game out then see whats the highest resolution I can get 60fps with.
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With everything at max including hairworks, I wonder how the 1080 will do at the different resolutions? I hope that when you get your card that come back and post your results at various resolutions.
 
x3sphere said:
Don't know if this has been posted but here's a clock speed chart from Tom's Hardware

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A lot of benchmarks from this card are probably misleading because if you look at numbers from Metro Last Light at 4K, there's a big dropoff in core clock after around 3:00. Also, even with 100% fan, it cannot maintain a 2 GHz OC (15% overclock).

Just another reason to wait for AIB cards.
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I have noticed this game in particular is not playing nice with the 1080. There have been other benchmarks where Metro is brutal on the 1080, while other games sing. Could just be preliminary drivers that is the source, but who knows until it comes out and official drivers are available.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
If the $50 difference between 1080 and 980 launch price is something to scream about to the high heavens I don't really know what to say. Yes the FE is inflated by another $100. But unless someone has a gun to your head and is forcing you to buy it, you can just ignore it and wait for a $599 1080.
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The $599 1080 (and by extension $379 1070) are a mythical creatures, not unlike unicorns, leprechauns or cacodemons.
I will be extremely surprised if any of them show up on the market before 1080TI release. Mark my words, most AIB boards will either be priced at FE level or above it.
 
Knurek said:
The $599 1080 (and by extension $379 1070) are a mythical creatures, not unlike unicorns, leprechauns or cacodemons.
I will be extremely surprised if any of them show up on the market before 1080TI release. Mark my words, most AIB boards will either be priced at FE level or above it.
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Exactly everyone is waiting for cheaper cards but the ones with the better cooling will be more than the FE I believe.
 
Knurek said:
The $599 1080 (and by extension $379 1070) are a mythical creatures, not unlike unicorns, leprechauns or cacodemons.
I will be extremely surprised if any of them show up on the market before 1080TI release. Mark my words, most AIB boards will either be priced at FE level or above it.
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Ocelott said:
Exactly everyone is waiting for cheaper cards but the ones with the better cooling will be more than the FE I believe.
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Yep. I believe this to be the case
 
Ocelott said:
Exactly everyone is waiting for cheaper cards but the ones with the better cooling will be more than the FE I believe.
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And this is why Pascal is so disappointing so far.
Sure, you get 980TI+few percents performance with 1080. But you will have to pay €100 more than a new 980TI for it.
Sure, you will probably get 980+few percents performance with 1070. But you will have to pay €100 more than a new 980 for it.
Same with potential 1060. It will probably be slightly faster than 970. But will cost way more than a new 970.

I'm not sure what the gains are exactly here. More VRAM? Lower power usage? Both are nice to have, but don't really merit overspending. Especially when we had people shouting for the last two years that Pascal will be the savior of mankind and will solve all of world's problems (anyone remember that article stating 10 times the power increase compared to Maxwell)?
 
Unknown Soldier said:
You should just use Dollar costs instead of pegging to the Euro to get a realistic sense of how prices have changed without muddling it with currency fluctuations.

980 launched at $549.
Titan X launched at $999.
980 Ti launched at $649 but by then 980 price had been reduced to $499.
1080 is launching at $599 (non-FE).

If the $50 difference between 1080 and 980 launch price is something to scream about to the high heavens I don't really know what to say. Yes the FE is inflated by another $100. But unless someone has a gun to your head and is forcing you to buy it, you can just ignore it and wait for a $599 1080.
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So the 1080 is actually launching at $699 then seeing as you can't buy one for $599 at launch? Puts a different slant on things. aka a $150 hike on the 980.
 
I really can't decide if I should buy the 1080 or just wait for the TI iteration. I've currently got a 770 so either is going to be a big upgrade, but part of me is wanting to wait for HBM while the other part is thinking Blood and Wine soon! Get that shit upgraded.
 
Knurek said:
And this is why Pascal is so disappointing so far.
Sure, you get 980TI+few percents performance with 1080. But you will have to pay €100 more than a new 980TI for it.
Sure, you will probably get 980+few percents performance with 1070. But you will have to pay €100 more than a new 980 for it.
Same with potential 1060. It will probably be slightly faster than 970. But will cost way more than a new 970.

I'm not sure what the gains are exactly here. More VRAM? Lower power usage? Both are nice to have, but don't really merit overspending. Especially when we had people shouting for the last two years that Pascal will be the savior of mankind and will solve all of world's problems (anyone remember that article stating 10 times the power increase compared to Maxwell)?
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Maybe in the US. In Europe the average 980 is still 500 euros, 980ti around 700.

There will be cards below FE prices. Cards like msi gaming, asus strix, evga acx2 etc.
 
Knurek said:
And this is why Pascal is so disappointing so far.
Sure, you get 980TI+few percents performance with 1080. But you will have to pay €100 more than a new 980TI for it.
Sure, you will probably get 980+few percents performance with 1070. But you will have to pay €100 more than a new 980 for it.
Same with potential 1060. It will probably be slightly faster than 970. But will cost way more than a new 970.

I'm not sure what the gains are exactly here. More VRAM? Lower power usage? Both are nice to have, but don't really merit overspending. Especially when we had people shouting for the last two years that Pascal will be the savior of mankind and will solve all of world's problems (anyone remember that article stating 10 times the power increase compared to Maxwell)?
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The degree to which the 1080 is faster than the 980 Ti (at 1080p, which is the only resolution I'm interested in) is actually higher than I would have guessed. It's generally ~25% or slightly better, and in DX12 titles in particular the difference is almost 50%.

But, yeah, the "Founder's Edition Tax" is utterly ridiculous.
 
Gen.Grievous said:
Maybe in the US. In Europe the average 980 is still 500 euros, 980ti around 700.

There will be cards below FE prices. Cards like msi gaming, asus strix, evga acx2 etc.
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The MSI GTX 980 started selling at 579€. I doubt the MSI Gaming GTX 1080 will be selling for that. I guess it will be around 679€ this time (based on custom boards starting at 599$).

But let's not forget currency:

Euro/$ in 09/2014 = 1,31
Euro/$ in 05/2016 = 1,12

A difference of 17%. The same difference as the jump from 579 -> 679. But of course ... if the MSI will sell for 789€ (because fuck you give us money too). Then yes, Pascal will be a disappointment when it comes to price/performance. Right now it is all currency/taxes (and 100€ on the FE because Nvidia won't drop the reference board this time).
 
So what is the deal with this founders edition business ? ( read the first few pages but can't troll through the other 30)

I'm currently rocking an ancient set up of like some dodgy 6 core AMD thingie and a 560ti and am dying to upgrade
 
JClarke said:
So what is the deal with this founders edition business ? ( read the first few pages but can't troll through the other 30)

I'm currently rocking an ancient set up of like some dodgy 6 core AMD thingie and a 560ti and am dying to upgrade
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Pay a premium to get it first, essentially.
 
Bl@de said:
The MSI GTX 980 started selling at 579€. I doubt the MSI Gaming GTX 1080 will be selling for that. I guess it will be around 679€ this time (based on custom boards starting at 599$).

But let's not forget currency:

Euro/$ in 09/2014 = 1,31
Euro/$ in 05/2016 = 1,12

A difference of 17%. The same difference as the jump from 579 -> 679. But of course ... if the MSI will sell for 789€ (because fuck you give us money too). Then yes, Pascal will be a disappointment when it comes to price/performance. Right now it is all currency/taxes (and 100€ on the FE because Nvidia won't drop the reference board this time).
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The post I quoted was comparing the 1080 to 980 Ti prices, 1070 to 980 prices. The AIB 1080s will be more expensive than the average 980 Ti, between 50-100 euro I expect but it will perform 25-30% better. The 1070 will be about 15-20% better than 980 for a lower price.

Knurek said:
So, how does this change anything? Average 980 is 500€, average 1080 will be 700€.
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Reread your own posts. The 1070 for instance will be cheaper than the 980 and perform more than a few percentage points better. You claim the contrary.
 
Oh shit... I could potentially buy a second hand 980Ti for $600 AUD. Bidding ends in 3 hours though so I have to decide quickly. The 1080 looks like it will be over $1000 so it's obviously a pretty good deal compared to that, but what about the 1070? I expect the 1070 to be about $600 itself.

Do we expect the 1070 to beat a 980ti?
 
Sutton Dagger said:
Oh shit... I could potentially buy a second hand 980Ti for $600 AUD. Bidding ends in 3 hours though so I have to decide quickly. The 1080 looks like it will be over $1000 so it's obviously a pretty good deal compared to that, but what about the 1070? I expect the 1070 to be about $600 itself.

Do we expect the 1070 to beat a 980ti?
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AMD polaris which is rumoured to be as fast as 980Ti, is supposedly coming at US$299 within the next 2 months...?
 
Gen.Grievous said:
Reread your own posts. The 1070 for instance will be cheaper than the 980 and perform more than a few percentage points better. You claim the contrary.
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Will it?
980 can be had for €471
I don't think you will be able to purchase 1070 for lower than €500 given the $449 MSRP (let's not kid around, this is the MSRP, not the $379).
All 1080 models so far, no matter the AIB maker, cost €790 here.
 
Knurek said:
Will it?
980 can be had for €471
I don't think you will be able to purchase 1070 for lower than €500 given the $449 MSRP (let's not kid around, this is the MSRP, not the $379).
All 1080 models so far, no matter the AIB maker, cost €790 here.
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The only 1080 models that have been shown (also by AIB partners) are the founders editions. EVGA or example will have 4 of their own custom models that will be announced soon (Computex at the end of May most likely). Until prices for these cards have been announced it is completely unfounded to claim that the 379 and 599 MSRPs mentioned by Nvidia are bullshit.
 
As a 980Ti owner this is the first time in many years I don't feel it's worth the upgrade, my card runs @ 1500 boost, absolutely silent (super jetstream), and doesn't suffer from any thermal throttling like we're seeing from the FE cards, I think if you own a Ti right now then stick to the Ti range, if you own a straight 980 then upgrade, same goes for 970 users, I think the 1070 with end up being the bargain price to performance card to grab, it's all a game of leap frog anyway, 1080 owners will be ahead for a 7-8 months, and then Ti owners will be ahead again.
 
@unknownweeaboo : a 300mm² die and256bit bus is not top shelf no matter how you try to spin it.

The top shelf card isn't out yet.
Here I'll transfer your logic to amd : polaris 10 is the best they 'll have this year, 230mm² die and a 256bit bus. By your logic it's their top shelf card and should be priced as such.



On topic: http://www.overclock.net/t/1600793/...gtx-1080ti-and-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked
1060 and 1080tispecs (the actual top shelf card)

Looks like gp102 is just a gp100 with the fp64 bits cut off, same amount of sp32 cores as gp100.

GDDR5X means it'll release this year.

If the price info is correct: another price hike, but at least it's better value than the 1080.
 
Paganmoon said:
Mainstream versions of new cards could be on par with high end versions of prior cards. See 1070. I find it really hard to believe AMD would launch new cards that just barely beat their own rebrands.
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I dunno man, it feels like AMD has ridden the rebrand train for a WHILE now and everytime I was like, nah, they can't seriously do this again can they? But yep, they sure as shit could...
 
lowrider007 said:
As a 980Ti owner this is the first time in many years I don't feel it's worth the upgrade, my card runs @ 1500 boost, absolutely silent (super jetstream), and doesn't suffer from any thermal throttling like we're seeing from the FE cards, I think if you own a Ti right now then stick to the Ti range, if you own a straight 980 then upgrade, same goes for 970 users, I think the 1070 with end up being the bargain price to performance card to grab, it's all a game of leap frog anyway, 1080 owners will be ahead for a 7-8 months, and then Ti owners will be ahead again.
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Thats what I was thinking.
These Bench's are making me optimistic about what a 1080ti could do at 4K

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SneakyStephan said:
On topic: http://www.overclock.net/t/1600793/...gtx-1080ti-and-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked
1060 and 1080tispecs (the actual top shelf card)

Looks like gp102 is just a gp100 with the fp64 bits cut off, shame amount of sp32 cores as gp100

GDDR5X means it'll release this year.

If the price info is correct: another price hike, but at least it's better value than the 1080.
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Everyone seems to not be happy about these rumored specs in that overclock.net thread. I can't put it all together myself based upon just that info
 
FE bullshit aside IDK what some of you expected for the 1080, it's way ahead of the card it's meant to succeed and decently ahead for the most part of both of the top end cards from Maxwell without blowing them away because that's not the role it's supposed to fill. If you have a 980Ti or Titan X then obviously your "true upgrade path" for the succeeding generation is the Ti or Titan of that generation.
 
So two more months until I can get a 1070/80 like a normal human being? This launch stinks. I'd have preferred a delay.
 
SneakyStephan said:
@unknownweeaboo : a 300mm² die and256bit bus is not top shelf no matter how you try to spin it.

The top shelf card isn't out yet.
Here I'll transfer your logic to amd : polaris 10 is the best they 'll have this year, 230mm² die and a 256bit bus. By your logic it's their top shelf card and should be priced as such.



On topic: http://www.overclock.net/t/1600793/...gtx-1080ti-and-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked
1060 and 1080tispecs (the actual top shelf card)

Looks like gp102 is just a gp100 with the fp64 bits cut off, same amount of sp32 cores as gp100.

GDDR5X means it'll release this year.

If the price info is correct: another price hike, but at least it's better value than the 1080.
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Source for that doesn't seem all that reputable. One could come to those specs simply by extrapolating on the 9xx series. While I would not be surprised if the final products end up quite close to those specs, they are still nothing more than an unverified rumor.

In Europe the Founder's Edition is going to be 789 euros on launch. I paid about 750 for my MSI 980 Ti Gaming 6G when it became available. The FE cards have pretty absurd prices for cards that are not the full or slightly cut down (aka Titan or Ti) of the generation.
 
I am thinking that the market is going to be flooded with used 980 ti's, if you have a 980 ti the best upgrade may be to get another on the cheap from the early adopters of the 1080 and sli it.
 
la_briola said:
you can get a (used) 980ti for 450-500 euro on ebay (in Germany), seems like a way better deal than a 1080...
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Yeah, prices have dropped quite a bit. I'll wait for the AIB prices and then decide. I kinda want a 1080 but if there are no decent partner cards at around 650ish, I'll probably scoop a 980 Ti instead. Doubt the 1070 will be considerably faster and I bet FE will be 500€.
 
Paganmoon said:
Mainstream versions of new cards could be on par with high end versions of prior cards. See 1070. I find it really hard to believe AMD would launch new cards that just barely beat their own rebrands.
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I neither said nor implied that AMD's upcoming cards would barely be better than its own current offerings.
 
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