AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Hmm...I think "Toy Story graphics" was first mentioned in TIME magazine, actually. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.
NVIDIA: PS3 GPU 50 times more powerful than PS2's GS
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Scottlarock
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were the ps2's WMD? I remember reading something like this....
To be fair, Sony and Nintendo did the same same with some of their promo demos. The GT 2000, Reiko & Wave Race demos for example have stunning IQ that was never reached in PS2 or GC software. The Raven demo's comparable to that, outside IQ it probably could be done on Xbox.teiresias said:
jarrod said:
Allow me to disagree:
http://ps2movies.ign.com/media/news/video/ps2demos/psx2_2.mpg
Reiko demo has a lot of flickering and aliasing on the floor.
GT2000 is just pathetic compared to GT4 and so is Tekken demo compared to Tekken 5.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Raven demo was done in realtime on Xbox later on, and it looked crappy compared to it's prerendered brother.
What?
Marconelly said:
The demo was done on the GeForce 2 kit which is why it looked like sheet, hence why it was called the "Raven NV15 realtime demo"
download that here: http://www.pipeworks.net/raven.mpg
Apparently it was done very very close to the CG version on the Xbox but was never released
for reference... the other Xbox tech demos
http://www.pipeworks.net/pong.mpg
http://www.pipeworks.net/garden.mpg
http://www.pipeworks.net/clack.mpg
Nostalgia-Ages : PlayStation 2 Revealed (1999.09.13)
For further references about the revelation of the Sony PlayStation 2, including graphics, scanned magazines and links to demonstration videos...
For further references about the revelation of the Sony PlayStation 2, including graphics, scanned magazines and links to demonstration videos...
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I think that various games on Xbox have eclipsed those tech demos Dopey posted above, but that Robot demo was pre-rendered and as such I don't think any game looks better than it in the sense of lighting precision and image quality (riddick often has pretty awful image quality actually).
Izzy said:
Please not this load of shit again. I really don't care if it looks like Toy Story just make sure the damn texture shimmering is gone and it can anti-alias on every game. There's no excuse for either of those faults on a next-gen system especially when they only pump out TV resolution. Nuff said.
seismologist
Banned
can someone put this in pespective. Like how many times more powerful is a 6800GT over PS2?
seismologist
Banned
If that's true then Xenon is pretty much hosed. You can't get 50x graphics performance with 2005 technology.
http://www.totalvideogames.com/pages/articles/index.php?game_id=&article_id=6897
GhaleonEB
you're correct.
remember, circa march 1999:
PS2:
PS2:
(here's a link) http://tinyurl.com/484eg
now, I've seen it said that Emotion Engine microprocessor can handle 50 times more 3D image data than Dreamcast, BUT ive also seen it said about the Graphics Synthesizer, and I think it is in fact a comparison of Dreamcast to GS, not the EE. I think the 50x figure is coming from the memory bandwidth. 800 MB/sec (0.8 GB/sec) for PowerVR2DC in Dreamcast compared to 48 GB/sec bandwidth for GS in PS2.
GhaleonEB
you're correct.
remember, circa march 1999:
PS2:
PS2:
(here's a link) http://tinyurl.com/484eg
now, I've seen it said that Emotion Engine microprocessor can handle 50 times more 3D image data than Dreamcast, BUT ive also seen it said about the Graphics Synthesizer, and I think it is in fact a comparison of Dreamcast to GS, not the EE. I think the 50x figure is coming from the memory bandwidth. 800 MB/sec (0.8 GB/sec) for PowerVR2DC in Dreamcast compared to 48 GB/sec bandwidth for GS in PS2.
no dude, that was back in teh 1999
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.video.sega/msg/551d3b67432c8445?dmode=source
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG19991006S0040
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...playstation/msg/3bee6fbf6a82fc7f?dmode=source
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...playstation/msg/60a3ac7f47789a16?dmode=source
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/it.comp.console/msg/d1dbb8080383de1e?dmode=source
(and many, many more)
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/072/072836p1.html?fromint=1
the Sony demos were all real-time on PS2 hardware, or a fraction of PS2 hardware.
all the demos have been rivaled or surpassed in PS2 games. Sony was the most 'honest' when they did demos to represent PS2.
Nintendo had a combination of real-time and pre-rendered CG demos at SpaceWorld 2000 to represent Gamecube. the Wave Race demo @ 60fps was alot better looking than Wave Race: Bull Shit @ 30fps (sorry couldn't resist, and i own a GCN and love it, but come on!) and the Metroid CG demo was also false advertising since Metroid Prime and MP2:E does not look as good. although at least the MP games are 60fps like the SW2K Metroid CG. but image quality is much much worse on GC MP games than MP demo.
bottem line, Gamecube did not come close to the pre-rendered CG demos at SW2K. even the real-time Gamecube demos, looked better than the actual Gamecube games. the R-T Luigi's Mansion demo looked better than actual game. the R-T Zelda demo looked vastly superior to TWW, and only now is Cube getting a Zelda that comes close to the demo. now, to be 'fair & balanced' to the GameCube that I love, the Star Wars Rogue Squadran 2 demo was surpassed by Rogue Leader and Rebel Strike. and Resident Evil 4 looks better than the real-time Gamecube demos at SW2K. I really wished that Nintendo had made a Gamecube Pokemon game that looked like the R-T Meowth's Party demo....
some of Microsoft demos in March 2000 to represent Xbox were real-time, on GeForce2GTS / Nv15 but the others were totally pre-rendered. the Raven-Robot demo and the AfroThunder demo. later at E3, Nvidia had a crappier real-time version of the Raven demo running on GeForce2 GTS / Nv15. it looked roughly one fifth as good, IMO, as the pre-rendered Raven demo. someone on B3D claims that Nvidia did a 2nd realtime version of the Raven demo, that looked closer to the pre-rendered version, but that has never been seen.
in the 16-bit and 32-bit generations, SEGA did a massive amount of false advertising for its Genesis & Saturn console versions of its arcade games, often showing the arcade versions instead of the inferior home versions.
see, I've ripped on almost everyone. except SONY. but wait, Sony is the worst lying piece of shit of all! in 1998 before PS2 was shown, Sony's all powerful father of playstation said that PS2 would put an end to the polygon. that it would have film-like graphics, and that users would not notice that they are looking at computer graphics. what a load of vaginal-leak. :lol
all the demos have been rivaled or surpassed in PS2 games. Sony was the most 'honest' when they did demos to represent PS2.
Nintendo had a combination of real-time and pre-rendered CG demos at SpaceWorld 2000 to represent Gamecube. the Wave Race demo @ 60fps was alot better looking than Wave Race: Bull Shit @ 30fps (sorry couldn't resist, and i own a GCN and love it, but come on!) and the Metroid CG demo was also false advertising since Metroid Prime and MP2:E does not look as good. although at least the MP games are 60fps like the SW2K Metroid CG. but image quality is much much worse on GC MP games than MP demo.
bottem line, Gamecube did not come close to the pre-rendered CG demos at SW2K. even the real-time Gamecube demos, looked better than the actual Gamecube games. the R-T Luigi's Mansion demo looked better than actual game. the R-T Zelda demo looked vastly superior to TWW, and only now is Cube getting a Zelda that comes close to the demo. now, to be 'fair & balanced' to the GameCube that I love, the Star Wars Rogue Squadran 2 demo was surpassed by Rogue Leader and Rebel Strike. and Resident Evil 4 looks better than the real-time Gamecube demos at SW2K. I really wished that Nintendo had made a Gamecube Pokemon game that looked like the R-T Meowth's Party demo....
some of Microsoft demos in March 2000 to represent Xbox were real-time, on GeForce2GTS / Nv15 but the others were totally pre-rendered. the Raven-Robot demo and the AfroThunder demo. later at E3, Nvidia had a crappier real-time version of the Raven demo running on GeForce2 GTS / Nv15. it looked roughly one fifth as good, IMO, as the pre-rendered Raven demo. someone on B3D claims that Nvidia did a 2nd realtime version of the Raven demo, that looked closer to the pre-rendered version, but that has never been seen.
in the 16-bit and 32-bit generations, SEGA did a massive amount of false advertising for its Genesis & Saturn console versions of its arcade games, often showing the arcade versions instead of the inferior home versions.
see, I've ripped on almost everyone. except SONY. but wait, Sony is the worst lying piece of shit of all! in 1998 before PS2 was shown, Sony's all powerful father of playstation said that PS2 would put an end to the polygon. that it would have film-like graphics, and that users would not notice that they are looking at computer graphics. what a load of vaginal-leak. :lol
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Nvidia sucks! GForce MX 420 is a terrible card.
Ati's Radeon 9800 Pro rulz
Ati's Radeon 9800 Pro rulz
Doom_Bringer
Banned
xexex said:
Fuck u! I spent $110 on that piece of shit, they put Halo on the cover and infact halo looks and runs like shit on that card.
Fuck Nvidia, ATI forever!
Virgin Wii
Banned
Marconelly said:
Why would you be afraid? More powerful hardware could only mean more possibilities. I for one am excited to see what the team will be able to do with the hardware.
EDIT: To avoid confusion, I just thought I'd say that I know what Marco was saying... I just find the "so good it's scary" expression to be incredibly stupid.
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Izzy said:
On the back of your PS3 game.
really?
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Whats with all these annoying PS2 jokes? Can somebody post screen of the Xbox Raven demo? :lol
there *is* no actual Xbox version of the Raven demo. there's a pre-rendered version and a real-time GeForce 2 version.
Xbox uses the NV2A which has elements of GeForce3, GeForce4 and even GeForceFX.
real-time Nv15 / GeForce 2 GTS (not Xbox) version of Raven-Robot demo, circa E3 2000
original pre-rendered CG Raven-Robot images, circa GDC 2000
Xbox uses the NV2A which has elements of GeForce3, GeForce4 and even GeForceFX.
real-time Nv15 / GeForce 2 GTS (not Xbox) version of Raven-Robot demo, circa E3 2000
original pre-rendered CG Raven-Robot images, circa GDC 2000
Doom_Bringer
Banned
xexex said:there *is* no actual Xbox version of the Raven demo. there's a pre-rendered version and a real-time GeForce 2 version.
Xbox uses the NV2A which has elements of GeForce3, GeForce4 and even GeForceFX.
real-time Nv15 / GeForce 2 GTS (not Xbox) version of Raven-Robot demo, circa E3 2000
:lol :lol
:lol
nVidia has always maintained that the Xbox is 3 times more powerful than the PS2. Thus, we can calculate that the PS3 is about 50/3 ~ 16.67 more powerful than the Xbox. My guess is that the PS3's GPU has 32x1 or 32x2 pipelines and runs at ~500Mhz, which puts it at 16 or so times more powerful than the Xbox.
tahrikmili
Member
nV PR backing up Sony PR. Wow, that has to be the most convincing declaration I've heard in ages.
Not.
Not.