AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Hmm...I think "Toy Story graphics" was first mentioned in TIME magazine, actually. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.
To be fair, Sony and Nintendo did the same same with some of their promo demos. The GT 2000, Reiko & Wave Race demos for example have stunning IQ that was never reached in PS2 or GC software. The Raven demo's comparable to that, outside IQ it probably could be done on Xbox.teiresias said:MS did worse than any magazine "toy story" comment when it tried to pass off that pre-rendered Raven video as being indicitive of the graphics performance of the Xbox.
jarrod said:To be fair, Sony and Nintendo did the same same with some of their promo demos. The GT 2000, Reiko & Wave Race demos for example have stunning IQ that was never reached in PS2 or GC software. The Raven demo's comparable to that, outside IQ it probably could be done on Xbox.
Every one of those Sony demos was realtime - and running on a 33% slower ps2 hardware to boot. And yeah as mentioned, the IQ on them generally sucked (even the FF ballroom demo was no exception to interlace flicekr and abundant aliasing).To be fair, Sony and Nintendo did the same same with some of their promo demos.
What?The PS2 had a GPU?
Marconelly said:Raven demo was done in realtime on Xbox later on, and it looked crappy compared to it's prerendered brother.
What?
Elios83 said:Allow me to disagree:
http://ps2movies.ign.com/media/news/video/ps2demos/psx2_2.mpg
Reiko demo has a lot of flickering and aliasing on the floor.
GT2000 is just pathetic compared to GT4 and so is Tekken demo compared to Tekken 5.
I think that various games on Xbox have eclipsed those tech demos Dopey posted above, but that Robot demo was pre-rendered and as such I don't think any game looks better than it in the sense of lighting precision and image quality (riddick often has pretty awful image quality actually).I think the robot demo was exlipsed by Riddick, personally. So both systems beat their pre-release teases.
Izzy said:PS3 GRAPHICS CHIP MOST POWERFUL YET - SAY NVIDIA
nVidia claim PS3 GPU "far more powerful" than anything they've previously worked on
seismologist said:can someone put this in pespective. Like how many times more powerful is a 6800GT over PS2?
seismologist said:can someone put this in pespective. Like how many times more powerful is a 6800GT over PS2?
nVidia Discuss Playstation3
10/12/2004
By: Chris Leyton
The Playstation3 graphics processor is the result of a two year collaboration between nVidia and Sony...
Following on from Sony Computer Entertainment and NVidia announcement, further details regarding the graphics processor set to feature in the forthcoming Playstation3 have today come to light.
Speaking at a San Jose Press Conference, Jen-Hsun Huang President nVidia, claimed that the processor set to feature has been specifically created for the Playstation3 and is not based on a PC chipset. Huang claimed that both Sony and nVidia have been working closely for the last two years on the design of the chip, backing up earlier speculation that both companies were in collaboration.
Naturally Huang believes the Playstation3 to be far more powerful then anything currently on the market, with some vague suggestions hinting at a 50 fold increase in performance compared to the Playstation2.
Yes, they did on both counts. I recall distinctly, on this board, a press release from Sony calling out that the EE could "process 50x the 3D data" as the DC. I'll try to find an archive.
Sony claims the system is capable of pushing 3D graphical data
nearly fifty times faster than Sega's Dreamcast.
handle nearly 50 times more 3D image data than Sega Dreamcast.
The World's Fastest Graphics Rendering Processor The new microprocessor which uses embedded DRAM technology will allow users to handle nearly 50 times more 3D image data compared with Sega's Dreamcast. The parallel rendering engine will contain a 2,560 bit wide data bus that is 20 times the size of leading PC-based graphics accelerators. Supporting NTSC/PAL television, High Definition Digital TV and VESA output standards, it will also let developers produce game characters comparable in image quality to movie-quality 3D graphics in real time.
BUT TEH KEN KUTAKUMKUM PROMISED 1000X TEH POWER OF PS2 FOR PS3 BACK IN 2000!!! BOMB BOMB BOMB....
PS3 Will Have 1,000 Times Performance of PS2
SCEI senior VP says that PlayStation3 will significantly out-perform PlayStation2.
November 17, 1999 - According to a news release on AsiaBizTech, Shin-ichi Okamoto said, "We are working to create the PlayStation 3 game machine so that it will have 1,000 times the performance of the PlayStation 2." Okamota, senior vice president of the research and development division of Sony Computer Entertainment, said this when he gave a keynote speech at the "Microcomputer System & Tool Fair '99" held at Tokyo Big Site from Nov. 10-12.
As indicated by the story, SCE surveyed content developers when they were developing the PlayStation 2; the developers said that they would need a performance of 18,000 times that of the PlayStation in order to generate game images in real-time. Sony suggests that the PlayStation 2 is 300 times as powerful as the current PlayStation, falling short of what the content developers had wanted. In regards to this, Okamoto said, "We understand the requirement is half met. We would like to realize the goal in the development of our next version, the PlayStation 3."
xexex said:the Sony demos were all real-time on PS2 hardware, or a fraction of PS2 hardware.
all the demos have been rivaled or surpassed in PS2 games. Sony was the most 'honest' when they did demos to represent PS2.
Nintendo had a combination of real-time and pre-rendered CG demos at SpaceWorld 2000 to represent Gamecube. the Wave Race demo @ 60fps was alot better looking than Wave Race: Bull Shit @ 30fps (sorry couldn't resist, and i own a GCN and love it, but come on!) and the Metroid CG demo was also false advertising since Metroid Prime and MP2:E does not look as good. although at least the MP games are 60fps like the SW2K Metroid CG. but image quality is much much worse on GC MP games than MP demo.
bottem line, Gamecube did not come close to the pre-rendered CG demos at SW2K. even the real-time Gamecube demos, looked better than the actual Gamecube games. the R-T Luigi's Mansion demo looked better than actual game. the R-T Zelda demo looked vastly superior to TWW, and only now is Cube getting a Zelda that comes close to the demo. now, to be 'fair & balanced' to the GameCube that I love, the Star Wars Rogue Squadran 2 demo was surpassed by Rogue Leader and Rebel Strike. and Resident Evil 4 looks better than the real-time Gamecube demos at SW2K. I really wished that Nintendo had made a Gamecube Pokemon game that looked like the R-T Meowth's Party demo....
some of Microsoft demos in March 2000 to represent Xbox were real-time, on GeForce2GTS / Nv15 but the others were totally pre-rendered. the Raven-Robot demo and the AfroThunder demo. later at E3, Nvidia has a crappier realtime version of the Raven demo running on GeForce2 GTS / Nv15. it looked roughly one fifth as good, IMO, as the realtime demo. someone on B3D claims that Nvidia did a 2nd realtime version of the Raven demo, that looked closer to the pre-rendered version, but that has never been seen.
in the 16-bit and 32-bit generations, SEGA did a massive amount of false advertising for its Genesis & Saturn console versions of its arcade games, often showing the arcade versions instead of the inferior home versions.
xexex said::lol
Marconelly said:In all seriousness, I'm watching the Nalu video again, and I'm afraid to even think what Team Ico will be able to do with a hardware a lot more powerful than that.
Afraid to think, I tell ya.
xexex said:there *is* no actual Xbox version of the Raven demo. there's a pre-rendered version and a real-time GeForce 2 version.
Xbox uses the NV2A which has elements of GeForce3, GeForce4 and even GeForceFX.
real-time Nv15 / GeForce 2 GTS (not Xbox) version of Raven-Robot demo, circa E3 2000
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Quite frankly, the Xbox could render the pre-rendered CGI Raven demo perfectly
xexex said:Xbox is more powerful than PS2 in some ways (GPU features, texture mapping, image quality, amount of RAM) but Xbox is less powerful than PS2 in other ways (programmable CPU performance, raw fillrate, graphics bandwidth)
Xbox being 3x more powerful than PS2 is pure bull