But it would suck being in the 3.8gb range & having to tone down visuals due to Nvidia gimping the 970.
Nvidia responds to GTX 970 memory issue
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It would also suck being at 4.1GB and having to tone down the visuals. Not even an ungimped 970 would help you there. My point is that its a pretty small difference between 3.5GB and 4GB. If I'm going to upgrade, I'm not doing it for a measly 0.5GB. Games will start using more than 4GB soon enough, and some already do(especially at higher resolutions). Its not like the line between what is considered 'future proof' is whether its 3.5GB or 4GB, ya know?
Fuck, this is the same memory limitation as my 660ti isn't it. I didn't know it got that bad with the stuttering and freezing. I guess I'm going to take care to keep VRAM usage below 1.5GB.
This is really sleazy. Why did people wait until now to get in uproar about this if the 660ti had this problem too?
This is really sleazy. Why did people wait until now to get in uproar about this if the 660ti had this problem too?
Is 4 GB more future proof than 3.5? If the answer is yes then end of story. Did NVidia promise a full 4GB? If the answer is yes then end of story again. Y argue the other side unless u r NVidia?
100% agree, the debate on future proof ends here. Paid for 4Gb not 3.5Gb, 4Gb is more future proof than 3.5Gb, you cannot refute this.
Nvidia thought they can get away with it so they did it again. Usually takes a big lawsuit to stop a repeat of these practices is how it goes.
Angel Abaddon
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Its a fair enough point to be honest. I think it mostly comes down to 4gb being the minimum in my head when I was picking the card, so all of this is just playing off that, alongside the fact the 300 series doesn't seem as far of now as it did in November.
Xdrive05
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I hate to say it, but I like Nvidia's product experience so much more than AMD's, that I'm just not going to buy an R300. the only benefits of waiting for me would be if/when the new competition lowers the price on the 980. And I'm not waiting until summer for that.
They got me. And I'm part of the problem. I know it.
They got me. And I'm part of the problem. I know it.
GHG
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It was transparent with the 660s. They published corrects specs and reviewers documented the bandwidth differences between the 2 pools of ram on the 2GB versions.
There were also 3GB versions that didn't have these problems as the VRAM amount was right for the 192 bit-bus.
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Which is the very definition of customer care.
Naked Snake
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Yep. Even if only a single game I care about ends up needing between 3.5 and 4gb then that's reason enough to be mad. But there's likely to be more than a handful of games at least that will fit that category.
And even when games start using more than 4gb, it means that 970 owners will need to lower their settings just to fit their VRAM budget more than 980 have to, even when raw power is not the bottleneck.
If you think the issue will not be a big deal for you personally that's fine, but please stop trying to convince other people that they shouldn't care about it.
The point is its only minutely more 'future proof'. This isn't about promises or anything of that crap. Please follow the conversation. I'm not defending Nvidia or justifying anything. I'm talking specifically about what this actually means for the future viability of the card.
4GB was basically minimum for me, as well. Its still not a very big difference, though. Your card hasn't suddenly gone from 'being good for years and years and years' to not being good anymore. Its relevance has really not changed much.
That wasn't what I was doing. Jesus. I didn't realize this was a 'Get your pitchfork out or leave' thread.
Naked Snake
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My post wasn't specifically aimed at you. It's just a point I wanted to make/repeat because clearly some people continue to fail to understand it.
sleepydeer
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http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27557332&postcount=5028
I'm tempted, I was always on the fence about it and it's now clear it isn't quite the bargain I had thought. I could even finish the graphics-heavy stuff in my library before returning it and getting something less powerful - if nvidia are going to treat us badly pushing back a bit doesn't seem unreasonable.
abracadaver
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posted yet? (probably but I just saw it on another forum)
Nvidia engineer about the 970 fiasco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spZJrsssPA0
Nvidia engineer about the 970 fiasco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spZJrsssPA0
You sound like your minimizing the issue, and many people, myself included aren't trying to hear that shit. You're free to have your opinion, but don't expect anyone to not call you out. For most of us this is an issue of prinicpal, I feel like I was mislead. I would not have pulled the trigger on a 3.5GB card period, 4GB was my minimum. I already am encountering games well over 3GB in VRAM usage at 1080p, and I know I will encounter games over 3.5GB this very year, so I am very irritated. Don't take it personally, simply accept that for many owners this is very personal. I paid hard earned money on something that I thought was one thing, when it was really another thing entirely.
Fair enough.
It would maybe sound like something different if you followed the conversation.
Nope, it sounds like what it sounds like. I can read just fine. Word your posts differently if you want a different interpretation.
This is just the best thing.
well if you're only talking about what it means for the future viability of the card my point still stands. if there is a chance in any way that there will be games that reguire 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, 3.9, or 4 GB of VRAM then I'd rather have the full 4 because that is what they told me I'd be getting and that was my specific reason for upgrading since I already had a 780. I don't see y it's so hard for you to see this point of view. And this is pretty much what the entire conversation in this thread is about so I don't understand y r asking me to follow the conversation.
You might be able to read, but you're sure as shit not understanding how context works.
Its not hard for me to understand that view. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I never said or implied that somebody shouldn't be unhappy about this. Your point does not stand. You're arguing from the presumption I've done something I haven't.
Look dude, that's all irrelevant. You sound like you're downplaying the issue, regardless of whether you think you are, you do. You can accept that or not, I don't really care. I'm not getting in your ass for no reason, that is genuinely how I interpret your post.
Not in this magnitude, no I don't think so.
It might sound like that if you're unable to understand context, sure. I get that. It just leads to you interpreting things inaccurately and being wrong, is all.
Nah man, I understand perfectly well. You are simply disingenuous. That's okay though.
Lactose_Intolerant
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welp, this thread turned to shit
You clearly don't. But instead of trying, you're just stubbornly sticking to your guns because going back now would mean admitting you might have done something wrong.
It has definitely effected my sense of trust in them. I've been on team Red before, but honestly have really grown to love Inspector, HBAO+, and proper PhysX support. Frankly have had a smoother experience with Nvidia, but man has this brought them down a peg in my eyes. It's conflicting.
DarKshodaN
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Crazy. I can't imagine they will recall all the cards will they?
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Naked Snake
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Not a chance. Edit: After reading this, I'm not be so sure.
Best case scenario people will be allowed to return their cards if they choose to.
Middle ground scenario: they'll give free games/discounts to owners. And/Or they'll pay a fine after a class action lawsuit, which will take years and the $30 or so people get will be almost meaningless by then.
Worst case (and what they seem to be hoping to get away with): they'll do nothing.
In any case they'll likely be sued by retailers in Europe at least because those were forced to refund customers by law.
Just watched this, hilarious lol
Naked Snake
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That video would be perfect if the subtitles didn't flash away so quickly.
No, they will not. This is not like a car where a fatal flaw is found in your airbag. The 970 is working as intended.
Many gamers will just get along and enjoy the card for what it is.
Angry spoiled gamers should be able to exchange or send back their card based on bad specs advertising.
shadow2810
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This might be my fastest graphic card turn over yet.
Bl@de
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I feel the same way. I mostly had AMD cards (because of the price) but I can see why so many people like Nvidia. The Inspector, stable drivers on game relase, PhysX/Gameworks are really nice additions. I have an inspector profile for every game and always look up SGSSAA/HBAO+ bits before even playing the game.
But now ... I'm good for now with the GTX 770. And I'm looking forward to see if AMD can put something nice together for Q2/Q3 2015. I really hope so. Because if they go out of the high end market in the long run I know what to expect from Nvidia.
People should be thanking them really.
EDIT: Retraction of snark based on claim of misrepresentation due to non-native English.
undercoverb0ss
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Thank goodness I bought 980 G1's and avoided all this
Naked Snake
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Classy.
That's exactly what I'm doing. I have a 560ti though, but I have plenty of older games in my backlog which will run perfectly fine on it. He'll, even South Park, which is on my February list, will perform fine in 1080p on that card.
I was looking forward to GTA V, but with the delay it's worth it to wait out and see what AMD will come up with next.
I wouldn't go down that hole too far. It didn't work out too well for the last guy.
The 970 is working as intended from a Nvidia engineer perspective I guess.
Bro I couldn't have made that any fucking clearer for you. You said "My point is that its a pretty small difference between 3.5GB and 4GB." I tried to even used the numbers for your by including the 3.6-4 VRAM usage senerios that could possibly happen soon and just to make u consider that maybe is not as small a difference to other people as it is to you. My "presumption" is that your think it's not a big deal to lose that .5 on a gimped 970 which I got from what you specifically said.