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Nvidia RTX 30XX |OT|

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Very majestic


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Celcius

°Temp. member
Hmm, after watching JayzTwoCents video I may go for the nvidia 3090 over EVGA... it looks nicer than I thought it would. I'm just kinda concerned about how it will affect my already hot cpu temps, but my current card has a non-reference cooler so I guess it will be ok
 

Rikkori

Member
Please do explain for those who don't speak jibber-jabber?
Me neither, look at the numbers. He compares 2080 Ti (his own), in various configurations, to the reported 2080 Ti result by Nvidia, and tries to match them up. Turns out 2080 Ti @ 1650ish Mhz is what would be close to Nvidia's video. Most 2080 Ti's can easily hold 1900-2000 Mhz.
 

Ironbunny

Member
Me neither, look at the numbers. He compares 2080 Ti (his own), in various configurations, to the reported 2080 Ti result by Nvidia, and tries to match them up. Turns out 2080 Ti @ 1650ish Mhz is what would be close to Nvidia's video. Most 2080 Ti's can easily hold 1900-2000 Mhz.

Ah ok. Well we know NVIDIA always compares their cards to founders editions and not the 3rd party OC versions. If you want to compare to those then you will have to wait for 3x00 3rd party cards. In gigabytes stream they already said that their 3090 Aorus is highly overclocked compared to FE. Most likely the same with 3080.
 
two near identical preorder listings on b and h for the 3080 TUFF. They have different b and h item #s but as far as I know, ASUS only has one TUFF 3080. I bought the cheaper $779 one. Hope they honor it over the more expensive $800 one. I'm sure there will be better cards for less but this is a nice back up/early gamble to take IMO. The TUFF 5700xt was notoriously shit but hopefully ASUS has learned its lesson. 1 day shipping was only $10 more than regular ground so I got that for $20 too


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DeaDPo0L84

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two near identical listings on b and h for the 3080 TUFF. They have different b and h item #s but as far as I know, ASUS only has one TUFF 3080. I bought the cheaper $779 one. Hope they honor it over the more expensive $800 one. I'm sure there will be better cards for less but this is a nice back up/early gamble to take IMO. The TUFF 5700xt was notoriously shit but hopefully ASUS has learned its lesson. 1 day shipping was only $10 more than regular ground so I got that for $20 too



I mean I am all for securing one without having to worry but even then this one is a hard pass, especially due to the mark up. I will keep refreshing that MSI Trio link they have though even though that is marked up as well (hopefully by mistake).
 
I mean I am all for securing one without having to worry but even then this one is a hard pass, especially due to the mark up. I will keep refreshing that MSI Trio link they have though even though that is marked up as well (hopefully by mistake).
It's b and h though. Good return/cancellation policy. I'm not worried.

Also, right on target with the leaked pricing. Obviously, I'd want a Rog Strix for $20 more but this was the first reputable name brand preorder that's stayed up as far as I know

 
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DeaDPo0L84

Member
It's b and h though. Good return/cancellation policy. I'm not worried.

Also, right on target with the leaked pricing. Obviously, I'd want a Rog Strix for $20 more but this was the first reputable name brand preorder that's stayed up as far as I know


This is my first new gpu launch since building my first gaming pc back late last year. I assume it is always common that aib cards are more expensive than the fe ones due to increased cooling and overclocks? I am wanting the MSI Trio/EVGA FTW3 out of any other one. They seem to have the most recommendations from what I have seen.
 

DeaDPo0L84

Member
We got that, you have money. Stopping showing off now :p

Although, because capitalism sucks, please be a good communists and donate your money to us ;)

It's a bit funny cause he was stressing about not getting a 2nd stimulus. But if you got money enjoy it 🤷‍♂️
 
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saintjules

Gold Member
I was trying to find out when the embargo lifts since youtubers haven't said anything. Seems to be Monday for those that don't know. I think this was info based on a Chinese reviewer that was removed recently.

 
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Orta

Banned
Impressive of course but not quite the monumental leap over the 2080ti I was hoping for, I wonder how nVidia's claims of the 3070 being 2x the 2080ti will hold up based on those early benchmarks?

*Oops, thought they were 3090 benchmarks
 
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ZywyPL

Banned
I was trying to find out when the embargo lifts since youtubers haven't said anything. Seems to be Monday for those that don't know




I like how credible the source of the leak is:

Source: Jensen’s laptop

xD
 
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Orta

Banned
Didn't Jensen Huang tout the 3070 as being twice as fast as a 2080ti during last weeks Ampere showcase?

It's entirely possible I misheard him though, I was mesmerised by his lovely kitchen.
 
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Didn't Jensen Huang tout the 3070 as being twice as fast as a 2080ti during last weeks Ampere showcase?
Uh, no. absolutely not.
The 3080 was touted as being roughly 2 2080s taped together, though, so maybe you mixed that up.
The 3070 was about equal with or slighty above the 2080ti in the presentation "benchmarks".
 
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Rikkori

Member
I was trying to find out when the embargo lifts since youtubers haven't said anything. Seems to be Monday for those that don't know. I think this was info based on a Chinese reviewer that was removed recently.

Really pathetic numbers. Do they want to make me wait for Navi?! :lollipop_steam_nose:
 

Rikkori

Member
Do you currently have a 2080ti?

Because coming from a 2070 super those numbers look good to me...
No, but it's about relative performance. It's still an expensive card and gimped by 10 GB. That means it's realistically possible Big Navi will strike a blow, either performance-wise or in terms of pricing. I wanted to jump headfirst and get a 3080 but now look at this, it's a big MEH.
 

longdi

Banned
No, but it's about relative performance. It's still an expensive card and gimped by 10 GB. That means it's realistically possible Big Navi will strike a blow, either performance-wise or in terms of pricing. I wanted to jump headfirst and get a 3080 but now look at this, it's a big MEH.

Just a refresh of the gap where Nvidia can slot in a 3080Ti and 3080S

3080Ti = 352bit bus with 21GB at 21Gbps = 924Gbps
Probably, 6 full GPC and 1 still disabled, 9216 cuda cores, 72 RT cores, 288 Tensors ccores and 288 TMU
1.75ghz boost, 32TF
$999.

Amd sucks.

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longdi

Banned
2080S performance for $399?


Imo the rumors should be consistent and call it a 3060.

Why suffix with -S and -Ti, it only makes the product line confusing
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
The more we're waiting Hardware Unboxed / GamersNexus benchmakrs, the more 3080 starting to look incredibly pathethic with each new benchmark leak in comparison to 2080S even, let alone 2080Ti and 1080Ti. I'm not effin' paying 800+ euro (at least) for 32-39% performance gain if Hardware Unboxed / GamersNexus benchmakrs will show similar results.
 
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The more we're waiting Hardware Unboxed / GamersNexus benchmakrs, the more 3080 starting to look incredibly pathethic with each new benchmark leak in comparison to 2080S even, let alone 2080Ti and 1080Ti. I'm not effin' paying 800+ euro (at least) for 32-39% performance gain if Hardware Unboxed / GamersNexus benchmakrs will show similar results.

From a 2080ti it looks like the average seems to be coming in at around 25% overall so far with the leaked benchmarks. I guess there might be some instances where it reaches around 30% in specific outlier titles maybe? Or perhaps an improved driver version could bring up the performance?

You also have to factor in AIB cards that normally have an OC, higher power draw and better cooling. They normally outperform the stock by a reasonable amount. However just based on the reference models it doesn't look quite as impressive as Nvidia marketing tried to make it out to be, but that was generally expected by anyone sensible who wasn't on the hype train/a teem green fanboy.

25ish% uplift seems to be in line with the expected performance based on rumours prior to release. Still a solid uplift I think, nothing to sneer at definitely but not to the level that some hyped themselves up to believe. We should get a fuller picture once multiple benchmarks have been completed relatively soon.

Seems this bell always rings true: Always Wait For Benchmarks
 

ZywyPL

Banned
Imo the rumors should be consistent and call it a 3060.

Why suffix with -S and -Ti, it only makes the product line confusing

Well the 3070Ti has already been leaked by Lenovo, now we have 3060Ti rumors showing up, so potentially the 3080Ti is also happening somewhere later, making it a total of three Ti models in the lineup. Which still doesn't mean we won't se the regular 3060 later on as well to fill the lower gap in the lineup.
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
From a 2080ti it looks like the average seems to be coming in at around 25% overall so far with the leaked benchmarks. I guess there might be some instances where it reaches around 30% in specific outlier titles maybe? Or perhaps an improved driver version could bring up the performance?
Well, to be fair, 2000 series sure did received performance gain over the last 2 years of about 10% since launch, so of course drivers can improve performance. But even still - 35-45% gain for 800+ Euro if not more? I just cannot justify paying 80-90K RUB for such a pathetic performance gain.

You also have to factor in AIB cards that normally have an OC, higher power draw and better cooling. They normally outperform the stock by a reasonable amount.
For $200+ more and maybe 7-9% more performance? Very questionable value, especially if Founders version will be just as good and not worse like in the past.

However just based on the reference models it doesn't look quite as impressive as Nvidia marketing tried to make it out to be, but that was generally expected by anyone sensible who wasn't on the hype train/a teem green fanboy.
Yup, you just can't trust NVIDIA with their BS, misleading and pointless graphs cuz no sane person would.

25ish% uplift seems to be in line with the expected performance based on rumours prior to release. Still a solid uplift I think, nothing to sneer at definitely but not to the level that some hyped themselves up to believe. We should get a fuller picture once multiple benchmarks have been completed relatively soon.
Not in my eyes, even in comparison to 1080Ti in 1440p. Personally, I could not care less about native 4K, 1440p benchmarks are much more interesting to me cuz I've 1440p 144Hz monitor.

Can't wait for reviews on monday to potentially save myself 800+ Euro.
 
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The more we're waiting Hardware Unboxed / GamersNexus benchmakrs, the more 3080 starting to look incredibly pathethic with each new benchmark leak in comparison to 2080S even, let alone 2080Ti and 1080Ti. I'm not effin' paying 800+ euro (at least) for 32-39% performance gain if Hardware Unboxed / GamersNexus benchmakrs will show similar results.

Far Cry New Dawn is a shitty example. I remember playing that on my 2080 and regardless of playing it at 720p or at 1440p the frame rate difference was 1-5 frames per second. You can clearly see in the Tomb Raider example the difference is almost 40 fps over the TI. Realistically everyone expected the results to be lower than nvidias mkt bs but it will still be prolly good enough. We'll see.
 

evanft

Member
Not in my eyes, even in comparison to 1080Ti in 1440p. Personally, I could not care less about native 4K, 1440p is much more interesting to me cuz I've 1440p 144Hz monitor.

Can't wait for reviews on monday to save myself 800+ Euro.

Let's run through the 1440p data. I'll use the 2070S as a placeholder for the 1080ti since they're so close, though 2070S is slightly faster.

3DM fire strike: +80% 3080 vs 1080ti
3DM time spy: +72%
Port Royal: +93%
SOTTR (MaxQ): +71%
SOTTR (MaxQ RTX/DLSS): +63%
Far Cry New Dawn: +26%

Far Cry is a CPU-heavy game/engine. You're going to see 1080p and 1440p benchmarks be very similar on that and similar Ubisoft games.

Frankly, you're going to see 1080p and maybe even 1440p drop off the benchmark charts soon because those resolutions are going to become CPU limited on the more powerful cards.
 
Not in my eyes, even in comparison to 1080Ti in 1440p. Personally, I could not care less about native 4K, 1440p is much more interesting to me cuz I've 1440p 144Hz monitor.

Can't wait for reviews on monday to save myself 800+ Euro.

I get where you are coming from here but I still think 25% is a reasonable performance uplift from a 2080ti. It is not mind shattering but pretty solid I think all things considered. Don't let the hype bubble bursting affect your perception of the card overall, I still think it is pretty good for a much better price than a 2080ti was.

The main issue I think with the 3080/3070 is the VRAM amounts. Even if someone was a diehard Nvidia fan, we pretty much know that they are working on super/ti versions of the 3070/3080 with more (up to double?) VRAM. That means early adopters will probably get screwed over.

In addition to that rumours are that there will be very limited initial stock of the 3000 series so they will likely be sold out in no time. Probably better to wait until second batch minimum otherwise people will likely end up paying scalper prices.
 

Rikkori

Member
Considering all you ever posted in this thread is FUD, I'm sure you were going to wait for Navi anyway
I block fanboys, nothing personal.

Imo the rumors should be consistent and call it a 3060.

Why suffix with -S and -Ti, it only makes the product line confusing
There will also be a 3060.

Far Cry New Dawn is a shitty example. I remember playing that on my 2080 and regardless of playing it at 720p or at 1440p the frame rate difference was 1-5 frames per second. You can clearly see in the Tomb Raider example the difference is almost 40 fps over the TI. Realistically everyone expected the results to be lower than nvidias mkt bs but it will still be prolly good enough. We'll see.

Agreed. Far Cry has definite CPU bottleneck issues, but graphically it's strong & runs well, and scales well too (just not as far as something like Doom Eternal - but that's like probably the best scaling game). 4K result is still relevant at least.
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Far Cry New Dawn is a shitty example. I remember playing that on my 2080 and regardless of playing it at 720p or at 1440p the frame rate difference was 1-5 frames per second.
Okay, let's forget about this crap.

Let's run through the 1440p data. I'll use the 2070S as a placeholder for the 1080ti since they're so close, though 2070S is slightly faster.

3DM fire strike: +80% 3080 vs 1080ti
3DM time spy: +72%
Port Royal: +93%
I could not care less about synthetic benchmarks. I only care about real world performance in games I'll be playing / playing right now.

SOTTR (MaxQ): +71%
SOTTR (MaxQ RTX/DLSS): +63%
Those are probably average FPS btw and I care about stable FPS a lot more. I hate FPS spikes from 70 to 140 back and forth, even though it is less noticable now on my FreeSync and G-Sync compatible monitor.

Frankly, you're going to see 1080p and maybe even 1440p drop off the benchmark charts soon because those resolutions are going to become CPU limited on the more powerful cards.
I highly doubt that. 1080p will go away for sure and will be used to check CPU bottleneks. 1440p is still fairly demanding and will continue to be for at least 5-6 more years.

I get where you are coming from here but I still think 25% is a reasonable performance uplift from a 2080ti. It is not mind shattering but pretty solid I think all things considered. Don't let the hype bubble bursting affect your perception of the card overall, I still think it is pretty good for a much better price than a 2080ti was.
The thing is, I wasn't hyped about 3000 series cuz I haven't even planned to sell my 1080Ti this year. I just expected far more just cuz 2000 series was and still is incredibly pathetic. I also don't care about RTX performance cuz not even 1% of all available games using this tech, let alone DLSS.

The main issue I think with the 3080/3070 is the VRAM amounts. Even if someone was a diehard Nvidia fan, we pretty much know that they are working on super/ti versions of the 3070/3080 with more (up to double?) VRAM. That means early adopters will probably get screwed over.
Exactly. I would not buy 3070 with 8GB VRAM cuz even in 1440p more and more games started using over 9+GB of VRAM. But it's hard to say and at least for now, that 10GB VRAM will bottleneck 3080 in 1440p / 4K later, we have to wait and see to be sure. And yeah, knowing NVIDIA, they just want to fuck with us all at launch and 8 months later release Ti / Super cards with more VRAM, 10-15% more performance and for the same price.

In addition to that rumours are that there will be very limited initial stock of the 3000 series so they will likely be sold out in no time. Probably better to wait until second batch minimum otherwise people will likely end up paying scalper prices.
Uhuh. We already saw photos of mining farms with a mountain of 3000 series cards.
 
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Malakhov

Banned
Didn't think I'd get one of those cards but I might get the 3070. If I get this right, it should be around 700$ cad and it's much better than a 1000$ cad 2080 super right?
 

masterkajo

Member
How much can I realistically get for my 1080ti at the moment? I am deciding if I should sell and upgrade to the 30xx series or ride my 1080ti all the way to the finish line.
 
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