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Nvidia RTX 30XX |OT|

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Siri

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Oh no... this launch is getting even worse!

Nvidia is now recalling all 3080s. Apparently the cards have a serious flaw - they aren’t shutting down when they overheat and are literally burning people’s cases up.

To return your card please PM me and I’ll send you the address to which you‘ll need to return the card. Thank you. :messenger_winking_tongue:
 
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Siri

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JohnnyFootball said:
This is the best possible news. Can't wait to hook one of these up to my LG C9.
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Oh, fantastic.

This was actually forgotten in the stampede. C9 owner here. Also a 2080 TI owner. Since the 3080 is only marginally faster than the 2080 TI the unlocking of 120Hz is huge.

I‘m considering a 3080 for this reason alone.
 
gunslikewhoa

gunslikewhoa

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Siri said:
Oh, fantastic.

This was actually forgotten in the stampede. C9 owner here. Also a 2080 TI owner. Since the 3080 is only marginally faster than the 2080 TI the unlocking of 120Hz is huge.

I‘m considering a 3080 for this reason alone.
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That's the entire reason I bought my TV.
 
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DeaDPo0L84

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So it seems the pcb on the msi gaming x trio is a bit underwhelming as well as the plastic backplate. The only two other cards are the evga ftw3 (red is terrible but they're fixing it) or the Asus rog strix, of course both don't come out till a few days later where I'm sure they'll sell out instantly.
 
Nydus

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DeaDPooL_jlp said:
So it seems the pcb on the msi gaming x trio is a bit underwhelming as well as the plastic backplate. The only two other cards are the evga ftw3 (red is terrible but they're fixing it) or the Asus rog strix, of course both don't come out till a few days later where I'm sure they'll sell out instantly.
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In some places you can pre-order the strix. Maybe there you have a better chance?
 
llien

llien

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Rentahamster said:
DF's numbers are accurate given the scenarios benchmarked. Different setups will yield different results.
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Yeah. 30% off. No problemo whatsoevoro, right?
It is sponsored after all.
What about DF's DLSS upscaling claims, where they sponsored too?
/puke

TPUs editor spotted BS upfront, although didn't explain why he cited a much lower figure for Doom "exclusive preview" (nothing fishy) DF.
 
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Danteyke223

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Scan UK sent me an email after I asked them a question about the queues which reads the following:


"We cannot give queue positions, all orders are held in a queue on a first-come-first-served basis. We will be sending an email once we have an estimated time for the cards to come back in to stock."

So they're happy to take 800GBP off my account as a pre-order and let the money sit in their bank collecting interest, but don't actually have a list.. Cool Cool. So I'm going to see if I can pre-order an Xbox Series X in two days, and if yes I'll just stick with my 5700XT for awhile until this shit gets normalized.
 
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GHG

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Danteyke223 said:
Scan UK sent me an email after I asked them a question about the queues which reads the following:


"We cannot give queue positions, all orders are held in a queue on a first-come-first-served basis. We will be sending an email once we have an estimated time for the cards to come back in to stock."

So they're happy to take 800GBP off my account as a pre-order and let the money sit in their bank collecting interest, but don't actually have a list.. Cool Cool. So I'm going to see if I can pre-order an Xbox Series X in two days, and if yes I'll just stick with my 5700XT for awhile until this shit gets normalized.
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From what I've read both Scan and Overclockers have fucked up with the 3080 launch.

It's a shame because when I was back in the UK (2012, so a long time ago now) they were both very good. Bought all my parts from both of them when I built a PC back then.
 
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Danteyke223

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GHG said:
From what I've read both Scan and Overclockers have fucked up with the 3080 launch.

It's a shame because when I was back in the UK (2012, so a long time ago now) they were both very good. Bought all my parts from both of them when I built a PC back then.
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Yeah I'm not too happy. I can either wait, and maybe get lucky and get a card in a week or two.. or a month ? Or just pre-order (try) the Xbox Series X and know that they won't charge the full amount immediately, and actually get a product in November. I can't believe how Nvidia either barely made any cards or just COVID threw a wrench into the whole thing. Was kinda hyped, but now I'm like... meh I can keep the 5700xt for another year and just see how Next gen changes the PC field.
 
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Siri

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Danteyke223 said:
So they're happy to take 800GBP off my account as a pre-order and let the money sit in their bank collecting interest, but don't actually have a list..
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This is how it can be with any merchant on the planet.

All merchants can place your funds in reserve for a set period - typically for 10 to 14 days after you’ve placed an order. After this period they have to charge your card or release the funds. You should know this when ordering. You actually agreed to this when you signed for your credit card. The funds, btw, weren’t actually taken out of your bank account - but simply reserved.

There‘s nothing wrong with this - it’s simply a way for the merchant to know that you actually do have the funds. Unless you have a very low credit limit. In which case you might not be able to use your card until you’ve paid for the transaction, or the merchant has released the reserve.

That said. I get it. You’re pissed off that they put you through all that and you didn’t get the card.

Here’s what happened to me with Fermi. I placed an order for two cards. The merchant didn’t send me the cards, so I assumed they didn’t actually have any. Meanwhile another merchant did have the cards, but I couldn’t order them because my funds were being held in reserve by the first merchant. I was fuming at the time. I phoned Visa and ordered them to cancel the transaction - no dice.
 
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Siri said:
This is how it can be with any merchant on the planet.

All merchants can place your funds in reserve for a set period - typically for 10 to 14 days after you’ve placed an order. After this period they have to charge your card or release the funds. You should know this when ordering. You actually agreed to this when you signed for your credit card. The funds, btw, weren’t actually taken out of your bank account - but simply reserved.

There‘s nothing wrong with this - it’s simply a way for the merchant to know that you actually do have the funds. Unless you have a very low credit limit. In which case you might not be able to use your card until you’ve paid for the transaction, or the merchant has released the reserve.

That said. I get it. You’re pissed off that they put you through all that and you didn’t get the card.

Here’s what happened to me with Fermi. I placed an order for two cards. The merchant didn’t send me the cards, so I assumed they didn’t actually have any. Meanwhile another merchant did have the cards, but I couldn’t order them because my funds were being held in reserve by the first merchant. I was fuming at the time. I phoned Visa and ordered them to cancel the transaction - no dice.
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There's a difference between waiting for a pre-order (me buying a PS5 and getting it in November or maybe a bit later - where they won't charge my card in advance ) to well you just got charged 700GBP and whoops we don't even know when stock is going to be in. Not pissed, just kinda weird and unhappy. It's like I spent money on something that was supposed to be tangible on a certain date (I'm ok with waiting a week or two, and with my luck, I'll be probably getting a notification next week that the card is getting delivered). But I'm surprised this is legal at all
 
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Siri

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Danteyke223 said:
There's a difference between waiting for a pre-order (me buying a PS5 and getting it in November or maybe a bit later - where they won't charge my card in advance ) to well you just got charged 700GBP and whoops we don't even know when stock is going to be in. Not pissed, just kinda weird and unhappy. It's like I spent money on something that was supposed to be tangible on a certain date (I'm ok with waiting a week or two, and with my luck, I'll be probably getting a notification next week that the card is getting delivered). But I'm surprised this is legal at all
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Pre-orders aren’t transactions. A pre-order won’t effect your VISA balance or credit limit. This is why it’s always super easy to cancel a pre-order - because a transaction hasn’t actually registered.

Whenever you hit the buy button, however, you’re actually agreeing to a transaction, which is what you did with your GPU (that wasn’t a pre-order, it was a sale). The merchant can then reserve your funds for a set period, but isn’t legally obligated to send you anything.

This is why when a merchant agrees to cancel an actual order (before the shipment has been made), the merchant will typically inform you that your refund won’t appear in Visa for a few days, (because the bank is undoing the transaction).

Usually when people discover this they‘re infuriated - but it’s always been like this.
 
Ulysses 31

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TitanNut88 said:
At an amazing 2700€ price tag. Not bad at all!
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Look at the top 50 gfx cards, has the ROG Strix OC 3090 for 1650€ at #1.

ASUS Gamingvideokaart ASUS ROG Strix NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 OC Edition (PCIe 4.0, 24 GB GDDR6X, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 1.4a, axiale ventilatoren, 2.9-slot, Super Alloy Power II, GPU Tweak II) : Amazon.nl: Elektronica

ASUS Gamingvideokaart ASUS ROG Strix NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 OC Edition (PCIe 4.0, 24 GB GDDR6X, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 1.4a, axiale ventilatoren, 2.9-slot, Super Alloy Power II, GPU Tweak II) : Amazon.nl: Elektronica
www.amazon.nl
 
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Rentahamster

Rentahamster

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llien said:
Yeah. 30% off. No problemo whatsoevoro, right?
It is sponsored after all.
What about DF's DLSS upscaling claims, where they sponsored too?
/puke

TPUs editor spotted BS upfront, although didn't explain why he cited a much lower figure for Doom "exclusive preview" (nothing fishy) DF.
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30% discrepancy?



Here's a list of various other reputable outlets that had similar benchmark results to Digital Foundry.

www.pcworld.com

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 tested: 5 key things you need to know

Our GeForce RTX 3080 overview distills dozens of hours of hands-on testing to identify the five key takeaways about Nvidia's monstrous new flagship graphics card.
www.pcworld.com www.pcworld.com

PC World showed a 79% increase in Borderlands 3, which in comparable to DF's 81.6% report. Keep in mind that not everything is going to be exactly the same due to differences in test conditions.

PC World showed a 69% increase in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, which is very close to DF's 69.8%.

www.guru3d.com

GeForce RTX 3080 Founder review

We check out the GeForce RTX 3080 Founder edition graphics card. NVIDIA just unleashed this second to fastest model in the RTX 30 lineup, which promises to offer a truckload of performance paired wit... DX12: Battlefield V
www.guru3d.com www.guru3d.com

Guru3D shows a 72% increase in Battlefield V, which is close to DF's recorded 68%.

www.theverge.com

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 review: 4K PC gaming finally makes sense

You no longer have to pay $1,199 for a 4K graphics card.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

The Verge reports +78% in SOTR and +80% in Control, which is close to DF's reported 77.6% improvement.



Hardware Unboxed reports 70% to 115% faster in DOOM Eternal, depending on the settings, compared to DF's reported 80%+.

wccftech.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB "Ampere" Graphics Card Review

Today is the big day for gamers as we review NVIDIA's latest Ampere GPU based flagship, the GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB GDDR6X graphics card.
wccftech.com wccftech.com

WCCF Tech reports +83% in Control with RTX and DLSS, while DF reports 76% to 90%. They had different DLSS settings, but it's close enough. They also report +100% increases in Quake 2 RTX, which is very close what DF got as well.


So yeah, I don't know where you're getting that 30% discrepancy from, and I don't know why you'd be so upset about an accurate video with accurate (albeit cherry picked) benchmarks.
 
TitanNut88

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Ulysses 31 said:
Look at the top 50 gfx cards, has the ROG Strix OC 3090 for 1650€ at #1.

ASUS Gamingvideokaart ASUS ROG Strix NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 OC Edition (PCIe 4.0, 24 GB GDDR6X, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 1.4a, axiale ventilatoren, 2.9-slot, Super Alloy Power II, GPU Tweak II) : Amazon.nl: Elektronica

ASUS Gamingvideokaart ASUS ROG Strix NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 OC Edition (PCIe 4.0, 24 GB GDDR6X, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 1.4a, axiale ventilatoren, 2.9-slot, Super Alloy Power II, GPU Tweak II) : Amazon.nl: Elektronica
www.amazon.nl
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Good one, thanks. Sadly, it seems they don’t deliver to Spain :messenger_pensive:
 
Rentahamster

Rentahamster

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llien said:
I wish it was a joke post.
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What are you talking about? I sourced multiple outlets and cross referenced all their games.

llien said:
No, they report you need to try it real hard with settings, such as picking textures that do not fit, to get to results claimed by DF.
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Yes. They did.

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the data is accurate but without more

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information it can also be a bit

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misleading

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and here is more information by leaving

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all the options on ultra nightmare

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with the exception of the texture pool

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size which i've dropped to ultra

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reducing vram usage to 7 gigabytes

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this is what we find there's no real

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change in performance with gpus packing

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10 gigabytes or more of vram

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but for those with eight gigabytes like

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the rtx 2080

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we're seeing a 26 performance uplift and

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that means the 3080 is now

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70 faster not 115
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Respond to the entirety of the post. Don't cherry pick like Digital Foundry did.
 
Rentahamster

Rentahamster

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llien said:
WCCwemakeshitup and irrelevant game.
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If you don't like that website, that's on you. That's not on me, because I cited many other sources besides them.

If you don't like that game, that's on you. That's not on me, because I'm just cross referencing the data I'm presented with. Your claim of "irrelevancy" is unfounded.

llien said:
Which is the point: misleading people.

"Hey, if I use older drivers and also make it 8GB vs 10GB bazinga, it might look faster than it really is".
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No, that's not the point. The point is to show best case scenarios. If you think that's misleading people, then that's on you. DF made it very clear in the introduction to the "sneak peak" video what it is.

Even putting the VRAM issues aside, the performance jump from 2080 to 3080 is very large, and nothing to scoff at.

Also, stop trying to change the subject. I'm going to ask you again.


How are you calculating the 30% discrepancy that you claimed in DF's numbers?
 
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Archvile82

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Crazy how some people are trying to downplay these cards still. It's obvious anything below 4k hits CPU or software bottleneck in some way.

With driver improvements, faster cpus and future games releases that are especially compute heavy (which they will be) the performance will shine.
 
OmegaSupreme

OmegaSupreme

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To bring some positivity to this thread... What's the first game you guys are going to play when you get your 3080, 3090, AMD whatever? I'm probably going to pick up Crysis Remastered. My monitor is only 1440p60 so I shouldn't have to much trouble with a 3080. I hope lol. What about you guys? Whats first?
 
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OmegaSupreme said:
To bring some positivity to this thread... What's the first game you guys are going to play when you get your 3080, 3090, AMD whatever? I'm probably going to pick up Crysis Remastered. My monitor is only 1440p60 so I shouldn't have to much trouble with a 3080. I hope lol. What about you guys? Whats first?
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I bought Metro Exodus during the steam sale, so I'll probably play through that on the 65" CX tv.
 
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