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[Mononoke]

30 FPS (Titan) vs 37 FPS (680SLI). OC'ing may be able to make up for the difference, though.

I'm actually surprised by how close they are in performance.

I might still get one, just because I want to downsample. If this really comes that close to my current SLI - and I don't have to deal with SLI profiles (peace of mind) - this is still tempting. We'll see though.

Either way, going to stop complaining about the price.

 

[n0n44m]

And mkenyon, you know deep down inside ... You want one, you need one ...

one ? two ...

 

[BobTheSpy]

Holy shit, why is this $1000? Does Nvidia really think enthusiasts are that dumb?

 

[Sethos]

one ? two ...

I don't think he's into SLI, that's my ballpark

 

[FACE]

Guru 3D is reporting a 30% increase with just the stock air cooler.

 

[Ty4on]

Sorry for the long post, but Nvidia brags about the Titan fitting in SSF computers and even shows the FT03-mini twice. I happen to own a FT03-mini, but I have no idea how you'd fit a Titan inside.

If we first compare 680 and the reference 7870.

The plastic shroud sticks out a little bit further in an arc, but the 680 is still longer. Both fit in an FT03-mini, but it's a squeeze with both. I litherally had to squeeze my 7870 to get it in.

It's about 1.5cm from the floor to the top of that metal plate where the USB drive is standing so that's all you'd get if you cut out that metal plate. The 7870 is 9.7 inches (244cm), 680 10 inches according to Nvidia and for comparison the USBthingy is just over 1cm. How the hell does a 10.5 inch (267cm) Titan fit? You'd seriously have to mod the case. I meassured the height from the bottom to the top being just under 10.5 inches (ironic ) and there is a clip sticking up from the fan filter you'd have to get rid of not to mention the fact that the Titan exausts some of the air the other way over what I believe is the VRM. You could do something about the floor, but that's where the only system fan is. Unless Siverstone has revised the chassis I have to see a Titan inside to believe it.

Guru 3D is reporting a 30% increase with just the stock air cooler.

On the bright side it's probably running at a constant 95C ^^
I'd love to see that Boost 2.0 in other cards. Would be awesome just dialing it never go above 85C and 50% fan speed instead of fighting against a stock fan curve which wants to run a reference card at 60ishC at load...

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Guru 3D is reporting a 30% increase with just the stock air cooler.

thirty percents is a lot of percents.

show me the receipts, Guru!

 

[Sethos]

On the bright side it's probably running at a constant 95C ^^
I'd love to see that Boost 2.0 in other cards. Would be awesome just dialing it never go above 85C and 50% fan speed instead of fighting against a stock fan curve which wants to run a reference card at 60ishC at load...

Yeah, that's oddly enough one of the features I'm most excited about. I always battle with fun curves, noise and not running my cards way too hot ( I'm anal about that stuff ). Being able to set a temp limit and knowing the card throttles to stay there is amazing.

 

[angelfly]

Destructoid running 3 way Titan SLI with Crysis 3

The above video (nabbed with FRAPS) shows Crysis 3 running at 60fps on max settings and, while YouTube doesn't quite do it justice, you ought to be able to get the general idea. At a resolution of 1920x1280 (aiming for higher in the near future), the Titan largely has no trouble getting Crysis 3 to look as good as all those pretty screenshots Crytek loves to shove down our mouths, all while maintaining a smooth sixty frames of arrow-slingin' mayhem.

As much as I've loved rocking this thing, even the Titan breaks a sweat when the game decides to get really serious. In some of the most intense areas -- chiefly some of the stormy kill zones in the campaign's opening chapter -- I've encountered some slowing down, with brief dips to 40fps. These moments are rare, in my experience, with the Titan ultimately shrugging off most of what Crysis 3 can throw at it.

 

[mkenyon]

Kepler downclocks as soon as you hit 70C.

The reason why you can't over-volt Kepler is that is causes migration which severely reduces the life span of the chip, more so than any previous generation. I don't know how/why the same issue doesnt occur with GK110 though.

one ? two ...

Actually a single card solution is what I'm looking for as I'm going mATX.

Holy shit, why is this $1000? Does Nvidia really think enthusiasts are that dumb?

No, they *know* they are.

Destructoid running 3 way Titan SLI with Crysis 3

Yeah, that's CPU choking right there.

 

[FACE]

Destructoid running 3 way Titan SLI with Crysis 3

Why would play at 1080p with three Titans?

 

[Shambles]

Nvidia just pulled down this graph from their website:

No idea why... scared of people cancelling plans to pre-order?

Wow if this is true. If this is what nVidia is saying the real life results are going to be even worse. This should be called the 780 and released at $500 as the start of the next generation cards.

Edit: To clarify I expect the absolute results to be worse than what they post. I expect the relationship between the 680 and Titan to be similar to what nVidia posts.

 

[kpjolee]

Love to run 3way sli with Titans...
It is going to be big $3000 question for gpus alone.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Sorry for the long post, but Nvidia brags about the Titan fitting in SSF computers and even shows the FT03-mini twice. I happen to own a FT03-mini, but I have no idea how you'd fit a Titan inside.

If we first compare 680 and the reference 7870.

The plastic shroud sticks out a little bit further in an arc, but the 680 is still longer. Both fit in an FT03-mini, but it's a squeeze with both. I litherally had to squeeze my 7870 to get it in.


It's about 1.5cm from the floor to the top of that metal plate where the USB drive is standing so that's all you'd get if you cut out that metal plate. The 7870 is 9.7 inches (244cm), 680 10 inches according to Nvidia and for comparison the USBthingy is just over 1cm. How the hell does a 10.5 inch (267cm) Titan fit? You'd seriously have to mod the case. I meassured the height from the bottom to the top being just under 10.5 inches (ironic ) and there is a clip sticking up from the fan filter you'd have to get rid of not to mention the fact that the Titan exausts some of the air the other way over what I believe is the VRM. You could do something about the floor, but that's where the only system fan is. Unless Siverstone has revised the chassis I have to see a Titan inside to believe it.


On the bright side it's probably running at a constant 95C ^^
I'd love to see that Boost 2.0 in other cards. Would be awesome just dialing it never go above 85C and 50% fan speed instead of fighting against a stock fan curve which wants to run a reference card at 60ishC at load...

I have a GTX680 sitting in my ft03 mini and there is only like 1/4inch of space left. Getting it in there was such a nervewracking experience, i was SURE it wasn't going to fit. I too would like to see how they arrived at this.

 

[mkenyon]

Why would play at 1080p with three Titans?

For benchmarking and great science! Someone has to answer the question.

 

[Smokey]

Buy a used 690. Peeps will be dumping them like mad.

2gb sucks at 1600p. I just setup nvidia surround yesterday too and bf3 and crysis 2 were in the 2.3gb range(5760x1080) I hate how they only have that card 2gb.. One of my reasons for selling it. Other than that I loved it.

This titan at 1k starting is blah. I really feel like it would only be beneficial to go sli with these and 2k for two.. I dunno mayne

 

[SapientWolf]

Why would play at 1080p with three Titans?

So you can keep 60fps in Cry3?

 

[AndyBNV]

Wow if this is true. If this is what nVidia is saying the real life results are going to be even worse. This should be called the 780 and released at $500 as the start of the next generation cards.

Edit: To clarify I expect the absolute results to be worse than what they post. I expect the relationship between the 680 and Titan to be similar to what nVidia posts.

We don't make up numbers, or get numbers and add an extra 10%.

And as I've already said in this thread, they are old numbers. New ones are a fair bit better.

 

[FACE]

So you can keep 60fps in Cry3?

If three Titans can't do Crysis 3 at 2560x1600 and 60 fps then what's the point?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

We don't make up numbers, or get numbers and add an extra 10%.

And as I've already said in this thread, they are old numbers. New ones are a fair bit better.

so what's your take on the current veins of conversation in the thread?

If three Titans can't do Crysis 3 at 2560x1600 and 60 fps then what's the point?

the issue there isn't the GPU.

 

[mkenyon]

Yeah. $700-750 seems like a good price point. $899 was that level where one can almost justify it. I also have to consider a $130+ waterblock as part of the price which makes it hurt a bit more. That fourth digit in the MSRP makes it hard to swallow.


*edit*

I'd be lying if I said I didn't set my alarm for 5:50AM the past 2 days, F5 a few websites, and then go back to bed.

 

[SapientWolf]

If three Titans can't do Crysis 3 at 2560x1600 and 60 fps then what's the point?

Good question.

Wish people could just experience the leaps for SLI for each generation, they are pretty significant because there's a lot of misconceptions being spread around based on previous generations.

Here's a 690 GTX review that essentially reinforces your point:

http://techreport.com/review/22890/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-graphics-card

 

[catabarez]

May hold out for a rebate if this isn't limited.

 

[Sethos]

So you can keep 60fps in Cry3?

But ... you can't Then the CPU just bottlenecks you.

That opening scene in Crysis 3 is so poorly optimized.

 

[mkenyon]

Good question.


Here's a 690 GTX review that essentially reinforces your point:

http://techreport.com/review/22890/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-graphics-card

The 690 has onboard hardware that helps with frame timing. Different than standard SLI.

NVIDIA also has a frame buffer to help with frame timing, so even grabbing stuff like indidivual frame times from the Direct X feed doesn't give you an accurate representation of what is being shown on screen.

 

[SapientWolf]

But ... you can't Then the CPU just bottlenecks you.

That opening scene in Crysis 3 is so poorly optimized.

I ran into some situations that looked like a CPU bottleneck on the beta but I never suspected that from Cry 3 running on some old ass GPUs.

 

[zephervack]

We don't make up numbers, or get numbers and add an extra 10%.

And as I've already said in this thread, they are old numbers. New ones are a fair bit better.

Hey Andy, one question, how is your implementation of Surround right now?

I have 4 screens connected to my 7970, only 3 get used while gaming though, my Windows thinks I have 2 screens, 1 at 5760 * 1200 (group of 3 * 24") and a secondary 1920 * 1200 screen.

When I play games I can leave the 4th monitor on with a website or tracking clients showing while I play on the 3 screens, can the Titan support this configuration? Thanks.

 

[AndyBNV]

Hey Andy, one question, how is your implementation of Surround right now?

I have 4 screens connected to my 7970, only 3 get used while gaming though, my Windows thinks I have 2 screens, 1 at 5760 * 1200 (group of 3 * 24") and a secondary 1920 * 1200 screen.

When I play games I can leave the 4th monitor on with a website or tracking clients showing while I play on the 3 screens, can the Titan support this configuration? Thanks.

600 Series and Titan have 3+1 Surround, so you get 3 screens in games, plus another to do whatever in Windows (watch a TV show, read Neogaf, etc)

 

[Backfoggen]

Dat SLI bridge.

 

[Sethos]

That's a sexy bridge. Do you have to buy that separately and work it would in a 2-SLI setup?

 

[mkenyon]

I ran into some situations that looked like a CPU bottleneck on the beta but I never suspected that from Cry 3 running on some old ass GPUs.

CPU bottlenecks always exist no matter the card you have in your system. They aren't an either/or thing.

600 Series and Titan have 3+1 Surround, so you get 3 screens in games, plus another to do whatever in Windows (watch a TV show, read Neogaf, etc)

You guys need more DP though. Having to buy 3 cards to get three DP's is pretty ridiculous.

 

[SapientWolf]

The 690 has onboard hardware that helps with frame timing. Different than standard SLI.

NVIDIA also has a frame buffer to help with frame timing, so even grabbing stuff like indidivual frame times from the Direct X feed doesn't give you an accurate representation of what is being shown on screen.

So you're saying that the experience could be even smoother than what the numbers indicate? That would be pretty sweet. I wonder what the input lag situation looks like though.

 

[mkenyon]

So you're saying that the experience could be even smoother than what the numbers indicate? That would be pretty sweet. I wonder what the input lag situation looks like though.

Exactly.

1 frame of input lag per GPU in SLI. ie, 2 cards = 1 frame, 3 cards = 2 frames. Keep in mind your input is still being polled more frequently. Assuming that you have a 90% increase in frames, you are only dropping your input by about 10% of the frametime it was at prior to SLI as well.

That's a sexy bridge. Do you have to buy that separately and work it would in a 2-SLI setup?

Three way bridges work fine in 2-way SLI.

 

[AndyBNV]

That's a sexy bridge. Do you have to buy that separately and work it would in a 2-SLI setup?

You should be able to buy them, and I believe it lights up also (I've yet to see it in person).

so what's your take on the current veins of conversation in the thread?

If this were Thursday and the NDA had expired I could counter a lot of the misinformation and incorrect assumptions in the thread. It isn't Thursday and the NDA is still valid, so I have to stay quiet Frustrating, but only a couple more days to go.

 

[sk3tch]

2gb sucks at 1600p. I just setup nvidia surround yesterday too and bf3 and crysis 2 were in the 2.3gb range(5760x1080) I hate how they only have that card 2gb.. One of my reasons for selling it. Other than that I loved it.

This titan at 1k starting is blah. I really feel like it would only be beneficial to go sli with these and 2k for two.. I dunno mayne

FWIW you're not actually using more than 2GB with BF3 - that's just caching. Youre not hitting a wall per se. There's no performance difference. But yeah, future proofing 4GB would be nicer per GPU. 4-way SLI 2GB to 4GB did nothing for me at 5760x1080/120hz. NV Surround performance sucks.

 

[Sethos]

You should be able to buy them, and I believe it lights up also (I've yet to see it in person).

So they aren't included with my $2000 dollar ( 2800 after the currency exchange ) purchase? That's fair, can't expect worlds at that price

 

[AndyBNV]

So they aren't included with my $2000 dollar ( 2800 after the currency exchange ) purchase? That's fair, can't expect worlds at that price

That would be down to the AIC.

 

[artist]

Another paper launch from Nvidia.

 

[Shambles]

We don't make up numbers, or get numbers and add an extra 10%.

And as I've already said in this thread, they are old numbers. New ones are a fair bit better.

You didn't read my edit. I didn't say the numbers were made up. I implied they would be generously tweaked via manipulating game settings. If you expect us to believe your marketing material I have to laugh. Next we'll actually start believing that we'll get the advertised fuel ratings on our cars.

 

[Sethos]

That would be down to the AIC.

Yeah, I was only kidding any way - Won't have much use for one as the side-mounted fan in my case would cover it up. Not much use for it unfortunately, my old bendy ribbon cable will suffice.

 

[zephervack]

Not sure if this is old news but AMD has just confirmed the previous rumors that there wont be a 8xxx series this year, they will focus on the 7xxx line for 2013, weak-sauce

http://www.wsgf.org/news/amd-product-roadmap

I guess that means nVidia can charge whatever they please for GPUs like the Titan, no real competition anywhere in sight.

 

[BloodMoney]

Halo cards are a waste of money. I'd take THREE 670's over this thing any day of the week.

 

[mkenyon]

If this were Thursday and the NDA had expired I could counter a lot of the misinformation and incorrect assumptions in the thread. It isn't Thursday and the NDA is still valid, so I have to stay quiet Frustrating, but only a couple more days to go.

Yeah, I really dislike that much speculation. Why people have to make statements on old benchmarks is beyond me.

Besides, it's all about 99th percentile frame time anyway. FPS is so last decade.

Waiting for TechReport benches. Everything else is just noise.

Not sure if this is old news but AMD has just confirmed the previous rumors that there wont be a 8xxx series this year, they will focus on the 7xxx line for 2013, weak-sauce

http://www.wsgf.org/news/amd-product-roadmap

I guess that means nVidia can charge whatever they please for GPUs like the Titan, no real competition anywhere in sight.

That says for the first half of 2013.

 

[Momentary]

Old numbers, and the chart wasn't meant to go live until Thursday, same time the press NDA drops.

So we'll have a different chart on Thursday with different numbers? Where are people getting the info that its $1000? Has the price been officially announced?

 

[AndyBNV]

You didn't read my edit. I didn't say the numbers were made up. I implied they would be generously tweaked via manipulating game settings. If you expect us to believe your marketing material I have to laugh. Next we'll actually start believing that we'll get the advertised fuel ratings on our cars.

Let's separate marketing decks and GF.com (the old-data chart from earlier in the thread came from GF.com).

How could we manipulate game settings for that chart? 2560x1600, max game settings, 4xMSAA - what can we manipulate there, and how?

So we'll have a different chart on Thursday with different numbers? Where are people getting the info that its $1000? Has the price been officially announced?

The product page on GF.com will have up-to-date numbers on Thursday, and my own article will have charts too.

And yea, $999.99 is the official recommended retail price.

 

[mkenyon]

So we'll have a different chart on Thursday with different numbers? Where are people getting the info that its $1000? Has the price been officially announced?

Guru3D

And that's where this article ends, sorry! Now we'll share the manufacturer suggested retail prices.

EUR 800 Ex VAT
GBP 827 Inc. VAT
USD 999 Inc. VAT

 

[xenist]

Dat SLI bridge.

I am humping my monitor right now. Anyone has a few thousand dollars to spare? I'll have it back to you by Monday, at the latest.

 

[diamount]

I am humping my monitor right now. Anyone has a few thousand dollars to spare? I'll have it back to you by Monday, at the latest.

I'll give you it with 1000% interest.

 

[mkenyon]

@Andy

I'm sure you can't comment on this, but should we expect similar OC headroom to what reviewers will be posting? Are the chips binned for a certain level? Are the samples sent hand picked?

 

[Momentary]

I'm not gonna lie. I'll slap two grand on 2 if it OCs like what people are saying it does.