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[Osorio93]

Nintendo also is going mobile so... Is not possible this controler is like this because NX will be remote play with smartphones?, so they make all around that idea, including the controler but with some extra things, triying to have the "best" of both worlds?
Also with a smartphone you could have another controller, making easier social gaming ala Nintendo

 

[Frodo]

Lol


I'm not interested in the home console but i would be in for the handheld if it's like that but with buttons, especially considering it will probably be the only handheld in the market.

I agree that nintendo should reveal it ASAP, but i have always had the suspicion that these kind of leaks are made to see the reception and eventually make some "last minute" change(that obviously aren't last minute at all, there are always more than one prototype), remember the leaked vita?

Well, with Nintendo it is not final even when they announce it. The GamePad is different than it was when it was announced, so is the Wii remote and so is the DS. There is a lot of jumping to conclusion in this thread, and we barely know anything about it. We don't even know if it is real to begin with.

 

[Neoxon]

So basically:

- This unit is the NX-Portable
- Bring it near your console to turn it into the NX-Controller
- Shells will extend the button scheme?

Nope, this is the NX Console's controller.

 

[Toadthemushroom]

Nope, this is the NX Console's controller.

Hello! How plausible do you think this theory is?

I still think this is actually the NX handheld, at a push a handheld that doubles as a controller for the console.

It makes great sense if Nintendo also ships the handheld device with the dev kit for the console - some of the big sticking points about NX are

it's

1) firstly a platform that encompasses several distinct devices but with a shared software and hardware architecture

and

2) secondly a platform that'll capitalise on making digital downloads across two separate devices "cross-buy" due to developers' ease of targeting several devices under a unified development environment

So it makes great sense that Nintendo would ship both form factors out to developers from day one, to ensure that developers are targeting either both handheld and console for their games, or one or the other, or at least thinking about how their games might scale between the two.

It could be all for nothing if Nintendo introduces one later on in the cycle - unlike Apple they can't guarantee that developers will quickly adapt their apps to a new device (like how iPad quickly received developer attention and apps that specifically made use of the extra real estate of the display).

 

[Neoxon]

Hello! How plausible do you think this theory is?

Not sure considering how expensive the NX box would be if the controller was itself the NX Handheld.

 

[sturgboski]

Figured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:

• Contextual actions/buttons
• Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel

Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.

That looks pretty awesome as a handheld device. Not sure about a controller for a home console. Isn't the point to have a tactile feel and eventually conditioning such that you don't need to look at the controller while playing? I mean, cool you can essentially come up with your own control scheme for each game since its touch screen but that also sounds like a confusing mess. And again, like the Wii U tablet: is the likely high price of the controller and thus NX package worth it for this?

Again, great for a handheld, seems off for a controller. Having button prompts be a visual layer of a game works for mobile gaming because you are constantly staring at that screen. If I have a home console, I should be staring at a TV rather than just staring at the controller.

 

[Philippo]

Figured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:

• Contextual actions/buttons
• Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel

Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.

Yeah but isn't this the controller for the home console?
So why showing the game on the pad if you have it on a tv?

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Yeah but isn't this the controller for the home console?
So why showing the game on the pad if you have it on a tv?

Maybe it's how off TV play works, who knows?

DOES ANYBODY KNOW? ANYONE PLEASE.

 

[maxcriden]

Hello! How plausible do you think this theory is?

I expect the handheld to double as a controller, as we've seen Nintendo inching towards this going all the way back to N64/GB, but in general I don't think, what with Nintendo ruling out a hybrid device, that the primary controller will be a HH. That would also require both devices to launch simultaneously, and I have used to think that would happen but now I think a console is likelier for this November with a HH in Spring. And as Neoxon said, that'd be even pricier potentially than this controller.

 

[Saoshyant]

why don't I just throw my TV in a trash compactor

Your TV isn't portable. You can keep it in your living room.

If this thing is real, and I have my doubts considering the weird angle of the bevel in the latest "leak", it would be a portable console like the 3DS and Vita.

 

[Starchasing]

Hello! How plausible do you think this theory is?

I think is totally plausible.

The 3ds is one of the possible ways to control super smash bros after all.

You could play the home console with a standard controller or the nx handheld with virtual buttons.

You could play the home console on the handheld too.

In this case whats gets thrown away is the concept of dual screen.

 

[Aostia]

Figured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:

• Contextual actions/buttons
• Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel

Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.

This is godly. Now I want it. Teamreal lol

And underlines how the presentation is crucial for the message

 

[Toadthemushroom]

Not sure considering how expensive the NX box would be if the controller was itself the NX Handheld.

Ah, so it's highly unlikely to be the handheld, thanks.

So if this is the console controller it does make me wonder how the handheld will differ - surely it isn't just the same thing but with "smarter" internals?

Also what's interesting is the Unreal 4 mobile demo running on last week's leaked photo.

 

[Trike]

Scroll right shoulder to chose item/weapon, click to use it. Click right stick to run, click left stick to jump. Scroll left shoulder to lay, crouch, stand, dodge, stump. Click left shoulder for shield. This is even before considering touch controls.

Did you seriously just suggest that scroll wheel be used to cycle between sword and something like a boomerang? That combined with your other bizarre choices that make me question whether or not you have ever played a Zelda game shows how impractical it would be without touch screen buttons. Which is fine if you're looking at the screen, but inconvenient when you're not.

People can play games with buttons without looking at them due to the feedback they get from the buttons. Miyamoto and Iwata understood the importance of having that physical feedback, which is why I find it hard to believe that we would just get a freeform display with touch buttons. If the leak is real I'm guessing they found a way to give you that feedback or we are missing an important piece here. Either way the leaker is not telling us everything or is uninformed about the controller/hardware. It just seems odd to show pictures and give some details and not go all out with everything you know.

 

[Tratorn]

The concept is slick but it looks horrible to play.

Pretty much sums it up for me too.
If that thing is real, I can't imagine it to be the controller for the console. It's pretty much useless, because you would have to look even more at the gamepad screen than on the WiiU.
Could be okay as a handheld, but not as a controller.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I'm on the "this is the NX handheld, but you can use it as a controller for the NX console" team lol.

And being the handheld it will come with a controller shell to place the screen, maybe.

 

[Toadthemushroom]

Did you seriously just suggest that scroll wheel be used to cycle between sword and something like a boomerang? That combined with your other bizarre choices that make me question whether or not you have ever played a Zelda game shows how impractical it would be without touch screen buttons. Which is fine if you're looking at the screen, but inconvenient when you're not.

Yeah, the free form display will probably handle item inputs in Zelda.

But I was thinking that in Monster Hunter, the scroll wheel on the left shoulder will definitely be used to cycle through your equipment. Heck, right now you have to hold the L button and then use Y or A to cycle.

And because the display literally extends to the corners of the entire device the in-game interface can show your scrollable item list on the upper left of the handheld itself.

 

[Starchasing]

Not sure considering how expensive the NX box would be if the controller was itself the NX Handheld.

Maybe the home consoles just ships with a standard controller.

If you also buy the handheld you get extra benefits:

1) Off TV play
2) Playing your portable games on the tv
3) Wiiu backwards compatibility

I'm on the "this is the NX handheld, but you can use it as a controller for the NX console" team lol.

And being the handheld it will come with a controller shell to place the screen, maybe.

We are on the same team then !

 

[Neoxon]

Ah, so it's highly unlikely to be the handheld, thanks.

So if this is the console controller it does make me wonder how the handheld will differ - surely it isn't just the same thing but with "smarter" internals?

Also what's interesting is the Unreal 4 mobile demo running on last week's leaked photo.

If Nintendo really is going the shared platform route, then I'd expect the NX Handheld to basically be this with smarter internals.

By the way, I'm not sure if we'd see main screen gameplay on the controller considering that we'd also have the TV.....unless Off-TV Play returns (which wouldn't surprise me).

 

[Akai__]

Yeah but isn't this the controller for the home console?
So why showing the game on the pad if you have it on a tv?

Doesn't the WiiU Pad do the same thing for some games? Mario Kart 8 has the 3rd player on the Pad and not even the TV, iirc? This really doesn't seem far fetched to me.

 

[Toadthemushroom]

If the controller really is "smart" like this, maybe Iwata's comments about "absorbing the Wii U architecture adequately" really did refer to more than we thought it did.

 

[Neoxon]

Maybe the home consoles just ships with a standard controller.

If you buy the handheld you get extra benefits:

1) Off TV play
2) Playing your portable games on the tv
3) Wiiu backwards compatibility

Considering PowerPC & the amount of horsepower needed to emulate the Wii U (I.E. A rather beefy PC), I'm not so sure about Wii U BC.

 

[Vampirolol]

Maybe they want you to focus on this, with the TV being optional.
So, when you travel you can play portable games and when you're home you turn on the console and you have bigger games still running on that little screen. I remember Iwata or someone else talking about people playing mobile games at home, on the couch.

 

[Starchasing]

Doesn't the WiiU Pad do the same thing for some games? Mario Kart 8 has the 3rd player on the Pad and not even the TV, iirc? This really doesn't seem far fetched to me.

The dual screen and the asymmetric gameplay did not gain any traction. If you take that idea away, then this concept makes sense.

 

[Neoxon]

Doesn't the WiiU Pad do the same thing for some games? Mario Kart 8 has the 3rd player on the Pad and not even the TV, iirc? This really doesn't seem far fetched to me.

You could do Off-TV Play, but you couldn't have a completely different screen to yourself for multiplayer. You'd just mirror the TV.

 

[Trike]

I think this is the handheld. Then you have a peripheral that adds a handle, buttons and a d pad, and you have the NX controller, that can be used as a normal controller or a controller with a screen, making it wii u compatible.

If you just the console you would get a normal controller.

Hello! How plausible do you think this theory is?

I expect the handheld to double as a controller, as we've seen Nintendo inching towards this going all the way back to N64/GB, but in general I don't think, what with Nintendo ruling out a hybrid device, that the primary controller will be a HH. That would also require both devices to launch simultaneously, and I have used to think that would happen but now I think a console is likelier for this November with a HH in Spring. And as Neoxon said, that'd be even pricier potentially than this controller.

I'm on the "this is the NX handheld, but you can use it as a controller for the NX console" team lol.

And being the handheld it will come with a controller shell to place the screen, maybe.

If you believe in this leak, then also believe the leaker when they said that this is the console's controller - not a portable device. It's in the original post.

 

[Starchasing]

Considering PowerPC & the amount of horsepower needed to emulate the Wii U (I.E. A rather beefy PC), I'm not so sure about Wii U BC.

I meant if you buy both

 

[Fess]

Considering PowerPC & the amount of horsepower needed to emulate the Wii U (I.E. A rather beefy PC), I'm not so sure about Wii U BC.

Maybe they include the WiiU hardware like they did on WiiU with Wii BC?

 

[Already Torn]

You could do Off-TV Play, but you couldn't have a completely different screen to yourself for multiplayer. You'd just mirror the TV.

I'm pretty sure you could, most games just didn't do that

 

[Toadthemushroom]

I think is totally plausible.

The 3ds is one of the possible ways to control super smash bros after all.

You could play the home console with a standard controller or the nx handheld with virtual buttons.

You could play the home console on the handheld too.

In this case whats gets thrown away is the concept of dual screen.

Yeah, I think that would all work fairly well, I mean iOS Devices are ubiquitous enough in base featureset that many Apple TV or iOS games allow you to use any device as a controller.

But yeah, as Neoxon also said, the NX Handheld itself is more likely to be very similar to the controller, just with smarter internals. Though the demo running on last week's leak suggests that the controller (as we believe it to be) is capable of running the Unreal 4 mobile engine.

And it's worth considering how the source that told the WSJ about NX dev kits last October said the console would "include at least one mobile unit"

 

[MrBigBoy]

Maybe they include the WiiU hardware like they did on WiiU with Wii BC?

Too expensive.

 

[munchie64]

I think my biggest problem (right at this moment at least) is the size. It feels like it needs to be bigger.

 

[Aostia]

Maybe the home consoles just ships with a standard controller.

If you also buy the handheld you get extra benefits:

1) Off TV play
2) Playing your portable games on the tv
3) Wiiu backwards compatibility




We are on the same team then !

Count me in!

 

[Dictator93]

What a waste of pixel space. I love having my head cocked down to my nether regions just to play video games.

 

[Gambit]

Just wanted to pop by snd say "hi" to future me browsing the gaf archives!

I am curious, what's your take on it? Even though I am mostly lurking I still remember your Wii prediction when everyone else was predicting doom and gloom. So that makes me curious.


To be honest, I am not convinced it's real, but I think it looks absolutely incredible. If the (haptic) buttons work well then I would absolutely be sold on this concept.

 

[Toadthemushroom]

Yeah, Wii U BC is definitely not happening - more likely are remasters of select Wii U titles to bring some of the library over (Tropical Freeze, Xenoblade X, Pokken maybe etc).

 

[Neoxon]

I'm pretty sure you could, most games just didn't do that

You can, but not in Mario Kart 8. It requires the Wii U to push itself more, thus sacrificing in other areas (like framerate).

 

[munchie64]

Maybe the home consoles just ships with a standard controller.

If you also buy the handheld you get extra benefits:

1) Off TV play
2) Playing your portable games on the tv
3) Wiiu backwards compatibility

That's an interesting view. Vita done a little better would be great!

 

[Morat]

Aaand I'm back. Anything new aside from baseless speculation (and that really cool gif of Zelda) in the last 50 pages?

 

[mcarlie]

Figured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:

• Contextual actions/buttons
• Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel

Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.

Except it's gonna be super low DPi and pressure based touch because Nintendo.

 

[KORNdoggy]

Looks: 8/10
Practicality: -85,383/10

this. as nice as the animation looks. it's an impractical design. the problem with a system with no buttons and the freedom to stick virtual on-screen buttons where you want is that it removes the ability to learn a control pad. buttons are static...they never change. their use may do, but their position does not. it's the reason why when game X tells you the square button is punch, and different game Y tells you square button is pass the ball, you don't have to look at your controller trying to figure it out every time the game changes. you've learns where square is, it's second nature. a reflex motion.

this system of touch screen button that can be placed depending on the game, as many or few as needed sounds great on paper. but you can't learn controls in a general sense anymore. you have to learn them again and again with every game. the wii-u was like this with the few games that made heavy use of the controller screen. and personally i dislike it. a controller shouldn't be something you are constantly aware of, or a barrier into the world you're trying to be immersed in. it should just be a natural extension of yourself. and this, at least based on that animation, wouldn't allow that.

 

[Neoxon]

Maybe they include the WiiU hardware like they did on WiiU with Wii BC?

Which would drive up the cost of the NX Console.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Figured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:

• Contextual actions/buttons
• Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel

Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.

Looks great but completely and utterly useless to play on.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Except it's gonna be super low DPi and pressure based touch because Nintendo.

Nice job not even read the thread at any point about these screens. It's a real conversation mover.

 

[maxcriden]

If you believe in this leak, then also believe the leaker when they said that this is the console's controller - not a portable device. It's in the original post.

I can see now how I was really unclear, sorry. I was only replying to TTM's post here. I believe the image is of a console controller as the leader said. I'm just saying that in theory I expect Nintendo's next HH to be usable as a controller, but not the primary controller, for its next console.

 

[LordRaptor]

Considering PowerPC & the amount of horsepower needed to emulate the Wii U (I.E. A rather beefy PC), I'm not so sure about Wii U BC.

The Xbox 360 was Power PC based, and although we don't have any Xbox 360 emulators available, 360 BC is available on the Xbox One

 

[SuperSah]

Did Rosti comment on this?

 

[Aostia]

Looks great but completely and utterly useless to play on.

As a portable console? I totally disagree. Both the shoulder buttons and the programmable ones could be great and the wider additional view too

 

[mcarlie]

Nice job not even read the thread at any point about these screens. It's a real conversation mover.

I wasn't really being serious but all that I've seen about the screens have been speculation based on comparing the images with shots of phones unless I've missed something.

 

[Neoxon]

Looks great but completely and utterly useless to play on.

This is for Off-TV Play or the NX Handheld. You'd otherwise have the same map on the controller as the GamePad (for the Wii U version) for NX Console play.