Putonahappyface
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Hogwarts gets a mention.
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NX Gamer Best Graphics of the Year 2023
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Senua
Member
What does that even mean
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah, I never said it was either.Good thing AW2 isn't that game
Why do you assume I'm saying anything about Alan Wake 2?
I'm talking generally, i.e., when games are being compared in terms of their visual or technical prowess, all things should be taken into account.
Senua
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
which means it's not a real open world.
It's a well camouflaged corridor that looks like a bigger area.
+ AW got some hubs from which you go to those corridors.
Compare dark souls 3 to elden ring and I would still say ds3 is more open than alan wake2
Senua
Member
With that mindset an open world game is just a large corridor too lol, they all have limits.
JimmyRustler
Member
Alan Wake 2 deserves the top spot. That game looked insane.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
sure but we can draw a line somewher.
For example witcher 3 is not really an open world game but the areas are huge hubs.
While AW2 drops you in a forest with few connecting corridors. Feels more like standard level
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No one ever made the argument that it's open-world. We're arguing that it's not just some tiny rooms. That'd like calling TLOU Part II a corridor shooter because it isn't open-world when we know that there are vast and expansive areas. You could make the argument for constrained and smaller environments for Quantum Break and Control to a lesser extent. Alan Wake 2 definitely isn't tiny in terms of scope and scale.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Witcher 3 is 100% open-world lol. It barely gets any more open-world than that.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No no, not you. There is an oddly high number of users who downplay AW because it doesn't have a 50 square mile slab of land.
It's just a weird tangent.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Callisto is a corridor game. Dead Space too. FF16 is more open than AW2 and AW2 is more open than Callisto. What difference does it make? Game has huge levels that dont feel limited in anyway and thats the point. The latest level I played started me off at a town square with a cafe than had me explore a jungle area before taking me to a full amusement park and then a light house and a trailer park. no loading. All seamless and completely explorable unlike TLOU2 which locks you into areas as you go through them. That is the limitation of a linear game level with hidden loading corridors with ladders and planks ND used in both TLOU1 and TLOU2 to mask loading.
We dont get that here. You get one loading screen before you enter a new area and then you are free to explore. Same goes for FF16. They sell the scope of each level which is what matters most.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Witcher 3 is open world rofif. what are you doing my man.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
yeah witcher 3 is open world but it always felt like few disconnected main areas for me.
Senua
Member
A corridor game is just another term for a linear one, and AW2 is not linear. I dno I think you're just over complicating shit for yaself bro
CloudShiner
Member
So much better than the giggling schoolboys and inverted snobbery on display over at DF these days.
Fbh
Member
I guess I can see it to an extent but FFXVI didn't feel next gen to me, at all. It felt like a game that could have been done on Ps3 (obviously with much simpler graphics and more loading).
As I said the A tier cutscenes look amazing and there's some next gen transitions between cinematics and gameplay.
But other that I don't know.
The levels are fairly simple, mostly empty with nothing much going on aside from small groups of small enemies roaming around (at half framerate too if they are far away, even in the 30fps mode).
The dungeons are small and linear with occasional "squeezing through" sequences.
You never go to any cities, only small towns with fairly limited NPC's, most of them don't even walk around. At times they actually do that very Ps3 era thing where it's like "the whole town came together to fight"...and it's like 8 NPC's.
The boss fights are cool and, as mentioned, have cool transitions between cinematic and gameplay. But other than that it's nothing we haven't seen, other than having better graphics I don't think they were doing anything mindblowing compared to, say, God of War 3 or Bayonetta from almost 15 years ago.
Senua
Member
We aren't. Best graphics of the year. There is no console qualifyer
Insane Metal
Member
WTF?!?!?Hogwarts gets a mention.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I mean, hogwarts is also on ps4 so it obviously is a last gen game but really really really polished up for next gen consoles.
This game is so good looking, good performing and just polished. FF16 obviously looks way better at time but also way lower at times.
If it was my choice, I would pick ff16 since I was playing like like a mouthbreather for parts of the game lol. it looked stunning.
shots
And for ff16. It's so weird. Parts of it looks like legit offline cgi... the soft light is incredible. And other parts look so flat like if it was a different engine. But still. holy hell
Not to mention how much better both of these games look with hdr.
March Climber
Gold Member
Hogwarts inside of the castle/school feels next-gen. The details are immaculate. The further you go away from the school the less impressive it looks, to me at least.
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
The wizard game is highly controversial in some circles and I was just taken aback that NX Gamer was brave enough to praise the game.
Xtib81
Member
I quickly skimmed through the video and I saw Forbidden west, so I wasn't sure which versions he was talking about.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The level of detail indoor in the Hogwarts castle is pretty amazing. Outdoors is last gen as fuck though you do get to fly at pretty fast speeds. That said, i wouldnt include it in my top ten.
That screenshot looks atrocious though lolshots
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
hmmm I can see why you say that. It's a bit low geometry. I loved the overcast vibe. That's for sure where it is next gen when there is no grass to hide the lod.
What about that one + some indoors since we area talking about that
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I think thats precisely why it is up there in the top 10. Because its doing PS3 era stuff just at a larger scale and with fancier graphics without any kind of loading or masking of loading we saw in the PS4 GOW games.
Honestly, these kind of big GOW3 style games have completely been MIA from last gen as devs push higher fidelity but they came at a cost. In TLOU2 and GOW you had those ridiculous squeezing sections. In Horizon, you had severe pop-in as soon as you start flying. FF16 goes back to that bombastic setpiece era and does it with some of the best looking cutscenes and setpieces we've seen this gen.
I do agree that the rest of the game is very uneven and those areas probably shouldve just been cut. I just think the highs of that game are higher than most games last year, but at times it does look like a PS3 game.
MasterDerico
Member
Spiderman 2 in 2nd ??
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Senua
Member
I wouldn't recommend performance mode. The internal res is very low
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I think the outdoor lighting hurts it the most. The draw distance of grass, trees and the horizon is actually very impressive on PC max settings. Not up there with Avatar but definitely higher than HFW. But the lighting is just so UE4 its almost UE3 quality. Just compare the lighting in Avatar, FF16 and HFW to Hogwarts and you will see the last gen drab look.hmmm I can see why you say that. It's a bit low geometry. I loved the overcast vibe. That's for sure where it is next gen when there is no grass to hide the lod.
What about that one + some indoors since we area talking about that
Indoors is slightly better thanks to an incredible amount of detail with books, portraits and other objects littered in every room. But you can see in your own screenshots that all of that extra detail is just being wasted due to the poor light bounce and AO. They all kind of blend in whereas in Alan Wake 2, the interiors just help ground everything and yet make it all stand out.
yamaci17
Member
im playing alan wake 2 rn and im between path traced aw2 and cyberpunk phantom liberty for me
so if im to do top 8
1/2 alan wake 2 / phantom liberty
3 resident evil 4 (this is personal, I just love the style of capcom engine a lot)
4 jedi survivor
5 starfield
6 hogwarts legacy
7 dead space remake (ehh)
8 atomic heart (no photo mode)
didnt play others
honorary mentions
zelda totk
witcher 3 rtx patch
(notes on the discussions: I don't agree with aw2 being considered as a corridor game. its maps are rather huge. and geometry detail is insane. watery area alone has probably more geometry than the entire map of Velen in Witcher 3 probably)
idk about hogwarts over cyberpunk. hogwarts is pretty UE4 %90 of the time. it has its moments but does not even come close to cyberpunk or jedi survivor. hell, jedi survivor at least uses Ray traced GI and that adds a lot to its immersion in its open world. hogwarts legacy is open world slog. jedi survivor open world actually has a lot of side activities, puzzles and actual game mechanics rather than fillers. so not only it has better graphics, it also has better immersiveness.
aside from that, decent list. cant comment on avatar and horizon. didn't play them as I've told before. spiderman 2 looks decentish. but idk if i'd put it over cyberpunk personally
so if im to do top 8
1/2 alan wake 2 / phantom liberty
3 resident evil 4 (this is personal, I just love the style of capcom engine a lot)
4 jedi survivor
5 starfield
6 hogwarts legacy
7 dead space remake (ehh)
8 atomic heart (no photo mode)
didnt play others
honorary mentions
zelda totk
witcher 3 rtx patch
(notes on the discussions: I don't agree with aw2 being considered as a corridor game. its maps are rather huge. and geometry detail is insane. watery area alone has probably more geometry than the entire map of Velen in Witcher 3 probably)
idk about hogwarts over cyberpunk. hogwarts is pretty UE4 %90 of the time. it has its moments but does not even come close to cyberpunk or jedi survivor. hell, jedi survivor at least uses Ray traced GI and that adds a lot to its immersion in its open world. hogwarts legacy is open world slog. jedi survivor open world actually has a lot of side activities, puzzles and actual game mechanics rather than fillers. so not only it has better graphics, it also has better immersiveness.
aside from that, decent list. cant comment on avatar and horizon. didn't play them as I've told before. spiderman 2 looks decentish. but idk if i'd put it over cyberpunk personally
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Entering Pandora properly in Avatar is probably one of the most impressive things I have seen this gen so far. I have my issues the game itself, but in terms of tech, it is incredible.
Apologies for the 720p only, streamable butchered it.
Apologies for the 720p only, streamable butchered it.
Rendered Tangent
Banned
If I only speak to games I've played, in my own house on my own hardware, my list would probably have some similar choices.
For me, I was too impressed with Spiderman 2, particularly the cut scenes, and Hogwarts, though I felt Resident Evil 4 Remake and Dead Space Remake, which looked beautiful in my opinion, could be argued for.
(I'm not sure if DS Remake qualifies for 2023, can't remember).
However, I will concede that the footage I've seen for both Alan Wake 2 and Avatar look very impressive, particularly Alan Wake which looked like something genuinely top tier and cut above anything else out there.
But, I don't own it, so I didn't rate it.
Broadly speaking, I think the list in the video is pretty fair.
For me, I was too impressed with Spiderman 2, particularly the cut scenes, and Hogwarts, though I felt Resident Evil 4 Remake and Dead Space Remake, which looked beautiful in my opinion, could be argued for.
(I'm not sure if DS Remake qualifies for 2023, can't remember).
However, I will concede that the footage I've seen for both Alan Wake 2 and Avatar look very impressive, particularly Alan Wake which looked like something genuinely top tier and cut above anything else out there.
But, I don't own it, so I didn't rate it.
Broadly speaking, I think the list in the video is pretty fair.
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solidus12
Member
No Starfield or Redfall
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No Starfield or Redfall
In best graphics discussion .. that too by NXGamer?
The odds would be incredibly low.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Yup and it's not number 1
Senua
Member
You might need to watch the video again because i'm pretty sure it is
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Which isn't agreed was my point... but you already knew this.
Kenpachii
Member
Art is shit in my opinion but looks nice.
How does Star Wars Jedi Survivor make the list? I'm playing it now on PS5 (almost finished) and it is a very unpolished game. Sometimes it looks really nice but even then it never looks so good I would place in a top 10 list. It is very visually inconsistent and has too many technical issues. Great game though despite all that.