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[James Sawyer Ford]

yup.
in the US it's already bad. outside the US it's comically overpriced.

There’s nothing bad about a 100% potential boost to games for 55% increase in price over base ps5 doing with an extra 1TB of storage

Just stop with the bad arguments, yes it’s expensive, no it’s not a comically overpriced machine

 

[kevboard]

Its the most powerful console on earth! Just like how RTX4090S or whatever is strongest GPU... that is not cheap last I heard?!

You want value in console space? Get 2nd most powerful .. PS5

if I can build a more powerful PC for the same money, the console is overpriced. that's my measurement.

and I absolutely can build a more powerful PC for the price of a PS5 Pro in Europe.

a single use system with a locked ecosystem just can't be as expensive as a multi use system with an open ecosystem... that's just wrong.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

if I can build a more powerful PC for the same money, the console is overpriced. that's my measurement.

You can’t. End of discussion. Let’s not derail this crap again when you guys start making disingenuous comparisons

 

[kevboard]

You can’t. End of discussion.

I absolutely can...
you can get a small form factor PC with a 4070 and a Ryzen 5600 for ~900€

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I absolutely can...
you can get a small form factor PC with a 4070 and a Ryzen 5600 for ~900€

That’s not better, and you’re also excluding costs to get there. Just stop

 

[OverHeat]

That’s not better, and you’re also excluding costs to get there. Just stop

Value is subjective to the use you make of a product

 

[kevboard]

That’s not better, and you’re also excluding costs to get there. Just stop

better GPU, far better CPU

 

[OverHeat]

better GPU, far better CPU

Boom headshot!

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

better GPU, far better CPU

Now add another $200 for 1TB and a DS for your disingenuous comparison

And no, closed box hardware performs better even if paper specs are less

 

[DanielG165]

The PS5 Pro will lend itself better once more games are optimized/patched for it, and new games actually showcase what it can do when pushed. I personally don’t have a need nor desire for one with how my life is set up, and will just wait for something like GTA 6 to arrive on PC so I can push it as far as my hardware allows, after playing it on SX.

But, for those who want the top-of-the-line console for now until next gen kicks off, they’ll surely be happy with what the Pro offers for them.

 

[SweetTooth]

if I can build a more powerful PC for the same money, the console is overpriced. that's my measurement.

and I absolutely can build a more powerful PC for the price of a PS5 Pro in Europe.

a single use system with a locked ecosystem just can't be as expensive as a multi use system with an open ecosystem... that's just wrong.

All power to you... then go build whatever you like.

You last point about single vs closed system doesn't make sense to me. Wow look I can open excel in my gaming PC .. its ok to be +$2000!!

 

[Venom Snake]

if ppl want to pay U$700 to play Alan Wake 2 at 840p@sub60 its not my problem, just dont say that is a good cost-benefit.

However, i want to play DS at 1600-2160p at 60fps, so i still think it's a good value, how about that.

 

[mrcroket]

There’s nothing bad about a 100% potential boost to games for 55% increase in price over base ps5 doing with an extra 1TB of storage

Just stop with the bad arguments, yes it’s expensive, no it’s not a comically overpriced machine

About 100%? At this rate it will be more powerful than PS6.

 

[proandrad]

yup.
in the US it's already bad. outside the US it's comically overpriced.

 

[GHG]

I'm actually glad I waited before purchasing this. Well actually, I didn't wait, I just redirected the funds towards a new build to house my 4080 but that's another story.

The biggest issue here appears to be the fact that unlike the PS4 Pro, developers need to specifically patch their games to get the most out of it, much of that owing to the fact that PSSR does a lot of the heavy lifting here.

PSSR does very well in the titles in which it's been implemented, but the fact that they haven't put something in place at the system level where some kind of basic version can be applied to unpatched games makes it a hard sell unless you specifically want to play games that are on the patched games list.

 

[kevboard]

Now add another $200 for 1TB and a DS

lol, where do you get your SSD prices?

And no, closed box hardware performs better even if paper specs are less

not really. 5% if you're lucky.
meanwhile that CPU shits all over the Pro's CPU, and the GPU is at least on par, probably much faster when using raytracing.

 

[Gaiff]

I was thinking more about 624 GB/s of bandwidth for the main pool, a ~40% increase over the base model. I really think that Sony should have gone with it, even at the cost of a few CUs and a little higher BOM. A three shader engine PS5 PRO at 624 GB/s bandwidth would outperform the current one most of the time even with something like 54 CUs i think.

Samsung GDDR6 goes up to 24Gbps, so why they decided to stick to 18Gbps is beyond me. This was an easy win that they just didn't take. I really would like to see the BOM and see how much profit Sony is making on every unit. I think a huge part of the reason is that PSSR allows them to upscale from a lower resolution, saving quite a bit on the bandwidth in the process.

But it would be more difficult to market because of those damned teraflops.

And that's what's even more strange. They didn't even market the massive compute performance. Cerny just said a 45% faster GPU. You'd think they'd be shouting 16 TFLOPs from the rooftops, but they didn't. They kept it muted.

better GPU, far better CPU

Not getting into this, but you're seriously underselling the importance of DDR5 or faster DDR4.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The biggest issue here appears to be the fact that unlike the PS4 Pro, developers need to specifically patch their games to get the most out of it

That was the case for ps4 pro as well

 

[kevboard]

You last point about single vs closed system doesn't make sense to me. Wow look I can open excel in my gaming PC .. its ok to be +$2000!!

choice of multiple digital stores, backwards compatibility back to the 80s,

emulation support to play PS3, 360, PS2, Wii, GameCube and anything earlier than those... soon PS4 and Xbox One.

even without productivity use this is a huge advantage

 

[Radical_3d]

I’m done talking with you, guys.

 

[kevboard]

Not getting into this, but you're seriously underselling the importance of DDR5 or faster DDR4.

I am not. especially when, again, the comparison is Zen 3 vs Zen 2.
Zen 3 destroys any Zen 2 even with slow memory.

 

[Bojji]

But PS4 Pro unpatched games were not having 30-40% better performance.

Only patched games were having better IQ at the same 30fps framerate. But one could argue PS5 Pro patched games will bring much better improvements.

Of course not, they were almost all locked to 30. At best, you could get a few extra fps to stabilize the frame rate, but not much more.

PS4 Pro ONLY had access to higher clock in unpatched games, half of GPU was turned off. PS4 games on PS5 use full GPU, same is probably true for PS5 -> PS5 Pro software.

Samsung GDDR6 goes up to 24Gbps, so why they decided to stick to 18Gbps is beyond me. This was an easy win that they just didn't take. I really would like to see the BOM and see how much profit Sony is making on every unit. I think a huge part of the reason is that PSSR allows them to upscale from a lower resolution, saving quite a bit on the bandwidth in the process.

And that's what's even more strange. They didn't even market the massive compute performance. Cerny just said a 45% faster GPU. You'd think they'd be shouting 16 TFLOPs from the rooftops, but they didn't. They kept it muted.

Sony is cheaping out on Pro consoles, Pro was like that as well but a least it was cheap.

I’m done talking with you, guys.

For some reason his PC always perform like shit.

 

[GHG]

better GPU, far better CPU

Oh piss off with these shit-tier PC builds.

You've got a dead end platform, one of the worst motherboards in existence, one of the worst NVME drives on the market, no extra case fans (the case you selected comes with just one 120mm fan) and if you don't throw in a CPU cooler you're stuck with one of the most horrible sounding fans around under load.

The only person you'd be headshotting with that hotbox of a dead-end build is yourself.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

That was the case for ps4 pro as well

It was ? For example, Sekiro had a better framerate on the Pro with no specific patch whatsoever by simple way of brute-forcing.
Same thing on the PS5, game is almost 60fps locked.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Crap value proposition.

Yes you'll have improved IQ but I genuinely do not see the point of this when the CPU is insufficient to help push games to 60FPS.

If this console gave PSSR + 60FPS - no brainer.

As it stands you're better off building a PC, or, wait for the PS6.

Doesn't Pro already give GT7 4K locked 120fps without a proper patch, according to DF?

 

[Gaiff]

I am not. especially when, again, the comparison is Zen 3 vs Zen 2.
Zen 3 destroys any Zen 2 even with slow memory.

Try it in games like Rift Apart or Spider-Man. I have. DDR3 and PCIe 3.0 don’t do all that well there.

 

[TehGoomba7s]

better GPU, far better CPU

Do you control it with your mind? Where is your windows key and WiFi card?

 

[GHG]

That was the case for ps4 pro as well

No it certainly wasn't from my experience.

As long as the games weren't framerate capped they would use the machine to its full potential.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

No it certainly wasn't from my experience.

As long as the games weren't framerate capped they would use the machine to its full potential.

Cb rendering required a patch, with showcase examples like horizon

 

[Mr Moose]

I absolutely can...
you can get a small form factor PC with a 4070 and a Ryzen 5600 for ~900€

EU

€799.99

So no, you absolutely can't.

better GPU, far better CPU

From EU to US in 5 minutes?

 

[GHG]

Cb rendering required a patch, with showcase examples like horizon

The performance uplift from that wasn't as impactful as PSSR is with the PS5 Pro, and to top things off the raw performance increase (GPU) when going from the base PS4 to the Pro was much more substantial than it is here.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The performance uplift from that wasn't as impactful as PSSR is with the PS5 Pro, and to top things off the raw performance increase (GPU) when going from the base PS4 to the Pro was much more substantial than it is here.

Lots of games were Framerate capped during that time

Less so today with DRS and variable frame modes

 

[TGO]

PS5Pro is of a greater leap than PS4Pro and I loved 4Pro minus the loud fan.

True but the reviews so far have revealed hardly anything.
The PS4 Pro had a lot of stuff it did to surprising stuff to software out the box, from Resolution & Frame rate grain's on many games with a patch.
And while the PS5 Pro does as well, it's far, far fewer with a lot less gain.
I'm at work now and I have to wait until I finish and to unbox and set-up mine to actually see what's not being reported, because there has to be a lot not reported yet because at the moment very little if any new information is being reported to suggest it's a greater leap despite actually being true.

 

[proandrad]

better GPU, far better CPU

Who is actually deciding between ps5 pro or a PC. Or this some time of talking point for argument sake. If value is the issue you would either keep your current PS5 or buy a used PS5. I wouldn’t recommend a 6core CPU for anyone wanting to do mid to high end pc gaming. At least get something that matches the core count of current consoles.

 

[Muddy]

Boom headshot!

Self inflicted more like it.

Where’s the Dualsense and Extra 1TB of M.2 storage?

Secondly why has he switched from Euros to Dollars?

 

[Bojji]

Self inflicted more like it.

Where’s the Dualsense and Extra 1TB of M.2 storage?

Secondly why has he switched from Euros to Dollars?

Dual Sense lol. It's not even supported in vast majority of games.

Xbox 360 controller, Xbox one controller or SS/SX controller is the one to get.

Also you don't NEED controller, 99% of games can be played with M&K.

 

[Musilla]

if I can build a more powerful PC for the same money, the console is overpriced. that's my measurement.

Ok, run and build it in another thread.

 

[Muddy]

Honestly the logic of the PC crowd here.

No one is obliged to buy the PS5 Pro.

You make it sound like the Base PS5 has been discontinued and people have no choice but to upgrade. Simply stick with your Base PS5.

A PC isn’t a cheaper alternative with price being the biggest issue with the PS5 Pro.

 

[Venom Snake]

Do you control it with your mind? Where is your windows key and WiFi card?

At this stage it's not even worth commenting on anymore. A pile of junk parts with a good GPU to assemble yourself and watch it sit in silence. I really don't understand these guys, they are trying to prove for the hundredth time that equipment that does not meet their expectations does not meet their expectations. And that in return you can buy a PC that you either already have or don't even need. I don't need it. So what should i learn from this? This is really getting ridiculous, and tiring.

 

[Synastry]

better GPU, far better CPU

Wow so desperate to push your pc agenda you have to spam a PS5 pro review thread.

 

[Muddy]

Dual Sense lol. It's not even supported in vast majority of games.

Xbox 360 controller, Xbox one controller or SS/SX controller is the one to get.

Also you don't NEED controller, 99% of games can be played with M&K.

Irrelevant. It is in there for 700 quid.

Does that motherboard have WIFI 7 and Windows 10/11?

Also again the 1TB extra M.2 storage?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You guys comparing console to PC performance and price are fighting a never ending fight.

Right off the bat, console makers are more likely to try subsidizing prices, while PC makers (part by part or a prebuilt system) is sold at profits through the chain.

Also PC does more than games.

It's like comparing a sedan vs a pick up. Each one gets you from point A to B. But each one has a different price, feature set, power, functionality etc....

 

[panda-zebra]

Every fucking thread. Infested with the xunts.

 

[Mr Moose]

Irrelevant. It is in there for 700 quid.

Does that motherboard have WIFI 7 and Windows 10/11?

Also again the 1TB extra M.2 storage?

No keyboard, no mouse, no long ass ethernet cable or WiFi card. Windows must come pre-installed on that SSD.

 

[SlimySnake]

Star Wars Jedi and Robocop both only increase performance by 30% according to NX gamer.

I cant believe Cerny designed this console. 60 CUs, 16 tflops. 67% more tflops. All for just 30% more performance. Cant even hit the 45% promised in the spec leak. Just atrocious for a premium 800 pound console.

 

[Muddy]

No keyboard, no mouse, no long ass ethernet cable or WiFi card. Windows must come pre-installed on that SSD.

Lets not forget the Garbage power supply he has included.

Also who is gonna build the PC?

The average gamer?

If not that usually costs money.

 

[proandrad]

No keyboard, no mouse, no long ass ethernet cable or WiFi card. Windows must come pre-installed on that SSD.

Also doesn’t include games. If you are coming from a ps4/5 you already have a library of games you can play.

 

[Bojji]

Also doesn’t include games. If you are coming from a ps4/5 you already have a library of games you can play.

Last time I checked pro doesn't come with games as well. Even limits you to overpriced digital games.

Yeah this pc discussion need to stop, I was into it too many times as well.

Pro should be judged vs other consoles.

 

[Fess]

Boom headshot!

Not even an arrow in the knee. No CPU cooler and case fans and mouse and keyboard and screen and slow SSD and day 1 you’ll end up lowering settings possibly lower than consoles and in a year it’ll be even worse.
My take is that it’s better to just accept that it’ll cost more and then go a healthy step above consoles and get some real benefits.

 

[yogaflame]

Honestly the logic of the PC crowd here.

No one is obliged to buy the PS5 Pro.

You make it sound like the Base PS5 has been discontinued and people have no choice but to upgrade. Simply stick with your Base PS5.

A PC isn’t a cheaper alternative with price being the biggest issue with the PS5 Pro.

Yes that is right. That is also what I'm about to say. Ps5 OG is still a very good system and still selling well, and Sony just gave an option to consumers for more choices, and for developer for more canvass to work with.