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NYC restaurants sued over automatic tips
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Takamura-San
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Good.
Opus Angelorum
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18%? I thought 10% here in the UK was bad.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Good hope they win the lawsuit personally.
I love restaurants that do auto-gratuity because the total always ends up being less than what I would have paid had I been given complete discretion. Really, you've already included the 18% to the check for my party of six? Great, we probably would have left 25% or more but here you go.
Well it's better losing 7% off you then 18% off of the majority of customers.
Kaori's Babydaddy
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Charging people for tips twic? That is ridiculous and I bet that 2nd tip[ isn't going to the waiter/waitress.
Half and half
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17%? Oh the horror!
TunaMarshmallow
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NeoGAF Tip Thread Time Saver
Initial Anti-Tipping Reaction
Good! Fuck tips! What do servers do that makes them so special? Why do they deserve tips?
Pro-Tipping Response
It's not about them being "special." It's just that within a tipping-based culture, the restaurant economy (everything from servers' wages, to menu prices, to number of staff hired) depends on the presumption that servers will be getting the majority of their earnings from tips. In other words: menu prices are artificially low, and if you don't tip then you're just free-riding on the system.
Anti-Tipping Follow-up
Well that's stupid. Other cultures get along just fine without tipping!
Pro-Tipping Rebuttal
That's beside the point. Right now, we are a tipping culture. And within our culture, our restaurant economy is set up to depend on servers earning tips. If you don't tip (and tip reasonably well), you're free-riding -- you're making a special exception for yourself at others' expense.
Further Anti-Tipping Follow-up
Well, then, we should become more like a non-tipping culture!
Further Pro-Tipping Rebuttal
That may well be true. (The socio-economics is mixed, but it may well be that we'd be better off without tipping.) But if you try to get us there by simply not tipping, all that will happen is that you'll burn the server working for you and nothing else will change. If you want to change our culture, then pursue legislative change.
Interjection from some Greedy Dude
Fuck all of this. It's my money. I get to decide how I spend it within the limits of the law. Fuck tipping.
Everyone in Unison
Get out of here, you greedy fuck.
Initial Anti-Tipping Reaction
Good! Fuck tips! What do servers do that makes them so special? Why do they deserve tips?
Pro-Tipping Response
It's not about them being "special." It's just that within a tipping-based culture, the restaurant economy (everything from servers' wages, to menu prices, to number of staff hired) depends on the presumption that servers will be getting the majority of their earnings from tips. In other words: menu prices are artificially low, and if you don't tip then you're just free-riding on the system.
Anti-Tipping Follow-up
Well that's stupid. Other cultures get along just fine without tipping!
Pro-Tipping Rebuttal
That's beside the point. Right now, we are a tipping culture. And within our culture, our restaurant economy is set up to depend on servers earning tips. If you don't tip (and tip reasonably well), you're free-riding -- you're making a special exception for yourself at others' expense.
Further Anti-Tipping Follow-up
Well, then, we should become more like a non-tipping culture!
Further Pro-Tipping Rebuttal
That may well be true. (The socio-economics is mixed, but it may well be that we'd be better off without tipping.) But if you try to get us there by simply not tipping, all that will happen is that you'll burn the server working for you and nothing else will change. If you want to change our culture, then pursue legislative change.
Interjection from some Greedy Dude
Fuck all of this. It's my money. I get to decide how I spend it within the limits of the law. Fuck tipping.
Everyone in Unison
Get out of here, you greedy fuck.
gutter_trash
Banned
scrap tips and increase wages for workers in the restaurant biz
I sense a pro-tipping bias in this write-up
This is what should happen, theoretically, if we want to move to a tip-free culture. Of course, there are these annoying little things called lobbies...
Ban Puncher
Member
Ban 'mandatory' tipping, increase worker minimum wage, raise menu prices accordingly to compensate.
Welcome to every other first world country, Ameri-bros. Now about your public heathcare system.....
Welcome to every other first world country, Ameri-bros. Now about your public heathcare system.....
AllIsOneIsNone
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So, tipping hate thread round 2? I'm curious, in Europe can you make a career out of serving? Like 50-100 thousand dollar income? And in those positions, the server makes that off hourly wages?
It was 0% when I lived in England. Fuck tipping
Your pro-tipping agenda is showing.
ComputerMKII
Banned
It seems like it's still not mandatory but you have to go out of your way in order not to tip.
Charoncaori
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Yes. They also don't put it on the menu, so you don't know it's coming.
This happened to me in a non-chain restaurant I go to somewhat often the other day, this waitress wrote a 20% tip onto my credit card slip (the 20% was on top of tax, too). She said it was policy. I still haven't gotten hold of a manager to complain.
A Link to the Past
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Delivery charge doesn't go to drivers typically. What would you sue them for? They are entitled to charge you a fee for having to deliver a pizza to you, as long as they don't try to hide it from you.
BruiserBear
Banned
Yup
But they're claiming it wasn't mandatory here. They include it in the bill, but say you can deduct it. It's a sleazy trick and they shouldn't be doing it.
That isn't the point. Nobody should automatically get a certain tip otherwise there is no incentive to provide good service.
Half and half
Member
They said it was optional. If the service sucks, don't tip.
I don't mind the automatic gratuity. They should just remove the additional tip part from the receipt.
Keeping your job is the incentive. Most people that are going to tip, do it even if the service is bad. If you're not going to tip it wouldn't matter if they gave you the best meal/service of your life.
Zoe
Member
It's only optional in that if you raise a big enough stink with the manager, they'll begrudgingly remove it.
Some people still want to add more though.
Sure if you want to jump through hoops. If it was that easy there would be no lawsuit.
chickdigger802
Banned
fuck tipping really... I usually just get takeout at that point or eat junk food or fast food.
Theres just something wrong with going out to eat with a few people and realizing you are tipping pretty much another entree.
Theres just something wrong with going out to eat with a few people and realizing you are tipping pretty much another entree.
Not this shit again.
To be the only person on topic, there is also an issue with NY accounting laws where gratuities must be taxed as income, so even if a 200 dollar check is hit with a 36 dollar auto grat the restaurant must pay 20-40% tax on it and then give the rest back to the employees.
To be the only person on topic, there is also an issue with NY accounting laws where gratuities must be taxed as income, so even if a 200 dollar check is hit with a 36 dollar auto grat the restaurant must pay 20-40% tax on it and then give the rest back to the employees.
Half and half
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Zoe
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What if I thought service was pre-tax 15% good but not post-tax 20% good?
Not everyone carries cash.
shinobi602
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Half and half
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glaringradio
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Best post. Do your job, don't get a tip. Do your job extremely well and go above and beyond, get a tip. Simple.
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I'm 100% for people tipping at their own discretion. In this case, though, it's a safeguard tax on tourists.
Red Lobster, Applebees? The only people that eat there in NYC are asshole tourists. Asshole tourists that freak when the prices of their meals don't jive with their Applebees back home... so they stiff the waitresses and waiters.
Red Lobster, Applebees? The only people that eat there in NYC are asshole tourists. Asshole tourists that freak when the prices of their meals don't jive with their Applebees back home... so they stiff the waitresses and waiters.
Fourth Stooge
Banned
I'm actually more offended that people are actually eating at Applebee's, Red Lobster and Olive Garden in New York City. Such a waste.
Midnight Moon
Banned
The reason they do it so cheapskates don't skip out on tipping the waiter for service. Usually there is a requirement of a party though before they will do that.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
No you should ALWAYS tip unless the service is extremely poor. Standard service = tip. Exceptional service = high tip.
Sometimes a waiter is extremely busy and can't give your table all the attention it needs.
Takamura-San
Member
I cannot agree with the idea that tip is part of basic service.
By definition it is something that is added on top of basic service. It shows that the client is gracious of service above and beyond. At some point restaurant owners started getting greedy at their waiters making a decent wage plus tip and they decided to stifle that. And some people are rewarding that.
By definition it is something that is added on top of basic service. It shows that the client is gracious of service above and beyond. At some point restaurant owners started getting greedy at their waiters making a decent wage plus tip and they decided to stifle that. And some people are rewarding that.
Midnight Moon
Banned
It's to cover gas/mileage that is paid to the employee for use of his vehicle. Most of the time I just go pick it up myself if it's near me.
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