NYPD to begin testing body cameras around NYC

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NYPD To Unveil Two Cameras for Officers
Six Precincts Citywide Will Test-Run the Devices in a Program Court Ordered by a Judge

New York Police Department officers will begin testing two types of body camera, made by Taser and Vievu, within the next several months, Commissioner William Bratton will announce Thursday.

The NYPD will be the largest police force in the nation to use the technology. It has been championed by elected officials, community leaders and some judges as a potential remedy to tense and sometimes fatal interactions between law-enforcement officials and the people they encounter.

The NYPD's pilot program will use two cameras that are widely used by departments across the country, such as Los Angeles. The Vievu model, about the size of a pager, can we worn on the front of an officer's shirt and the Taser device can be mounted on glasses, the collar or the shoulder.

Approximately 60 officers in six precincts—one precinct in each of the city's five boroughs and one public housing district—will begin wearing the devices by year's end, said Jessica Tisch, the NYPD's deputy commissioner for information technology.

Up to 10 volunteer officers in each precinct will wear one of the camera models, she added. The three 8-hour tours in each precincts will have at least one officer wearing a camera. The officers will provide feedback on the experience through surveys and focus groups, Ms. Tisch said.

The precincts mostly cover East Harlem in Manhattan, Mott Haven in the Bronx, East New York in Brooklyn, Jamaica in Queens and the north shore of Staten Island, where Mr. Garner died.

Police Service Area 2, a public housing precinct that covers crime-heavy Brooklyn neighborhoods such as Brownsville and East New York, is also part of the pilot.

NYPD officials are still working on a set of policy guidelines, such as when the cameras should be turned on, how long the resulting video will be stored and who has access to the storage, Ms. Tisch said. That has to be in place before the officers start using the cameras.

In "New York City...just the data storage alone is a huge challenge on this kind of scale. The confidentiality issues are a huge challenge. So, we got a lot to sort out," Mayor Bill de Blasio said at an unrelated news conference on Thursday.

The video is meant to protect both police and citizens and could be used at trials, officials said.

The program stems from an order by U.S. District Judge Shira Scheindlin, who in August 2013 declared the NYPD's use of stop-and-frisk unconstitutional because it disproportionately targeted minority communities. She ordered the camera pilot in the precincts with the most stops as part of that ruling.

It's a pilot program with a few precincts around the city, but the commissioner,public advocate and others are really pushing for its wider adoption. I imagine the mayor is all for it as well. Hopefully this gets deployed department-wide soon. I think the best part of the pilot is that the neighborhoods selected are ones where they're most needed -- areas where police misconduct towards local residents is most common.
 
Makes sense.

Most people have some sort of 'surveillance' at their jobs. The people who carry guns should damn well have accountability as well.
 
Good. It's has reached the point where if I see nypd, I walk to the other side of the street. I feel uncomfortable around police.
 
Good. It's has reached the point where if I see nypd, I walk to the other side of the street. I feel uncomfortable around police.

Yes because the majority of police are definitely bad and out to get us :| Do you read every bad cop story online and now automatically assume they are all like that? Anyway....

I do support this move though btw as it will hopefully deter the few bad cops out there.
 
Yes because the majority of police are definitely bad and out to get us :| Do you read every bad cop story online and now automatically assume they are all like that? Anyway....

I do support this move though btw as it will hopefully deter the few bad cops out there.

Doesn’t need to be a majority. If there is even the smallest fraction of a percentage that a cop is going to choke me to death in front of my family with little worry of repercussions while people film on their phones, I’m going to give them a wide berth. Luckily I live in the UK and don’t have that worry around the police here.
 
Doesn’t need to be a majority. If there is even the smallest fraction of a percentage that a cop is going to choke me to death in front of my family with little worry of repercussions while people film on their phones, I’m going to give them a wide berth. Luckily I live in the UK and don’t have that worry around the police here.

This is really nonsensical thinking.
 
Good. Hopefully they have some strict policies about what happens when cameras somehow end up broken or turned off before someone gets assaulted or unfairly treated by them.
 
Yes because the majority of police are definitely bad and out to get us :| Do you read every bad cop story online and now automatically assume they are all like that? Anyway....

I do support this move though btw as it will hopefully deter the few bad cops out there.

Putting aside the relatively few cop stories that end in unjustified violence...

There are hundreds of microaggressions, suffered daily by minorities at the hands of the NYPD, that never go reported. Anyone paying attention would know that this is what led to Eric Garner finally snapping and going on a rant before the police choked him. The police know that their constant antagonizing will finally lead some of these people to react poorly and end up in jail.

I also avoid the police, not because I'm so much worried about being killed, but because I don't want to have the unpleasant interactions that so many of us know are highly common (cop barking orders at you like a beast).
 
They should be made to be turned on at a moment's notice and officers would be required to turn them on. If the officer fails to turn it on it should be treated as misconduct on the side of the officer regardless of what happens.
 
Good news. This is a no-brainer. The public complains about officers lying or covering up abuse, having encounters on camera should put a dent in that. Officers complain that civilian videos and the media don't tell the whole story and that they're being persecuted for justified actions, having encounters on camera should prevent that.

Everyone should be in favor of it.
 
A wise choice. Police and the public alike benefit greatly from this.

If I were a police officer you're damned right I'd want some proof that I'm doing my job correctly other than word of mouth. Any police that oppose this have to be doing something on the job that they don't want their superiors to see, there's no other way around it.
 
People keep saying stuff like this,
Do dashcams suddenly malfunction or disappear when it benefits cops?

It has happened, yes. Case in point - Mike Brown shooting in Ferguson. No dash cam.

Camera that would have shown the beating of a man who was erroneously apprehended, beaten and then charged for bleeding on the police officers uniforms somehow recorded at 32 times the speed it normally should (nevermind that they PD provided the wrong recording anyway and conveniently deleted the recording they were specifically asked to preserve).

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...erguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html
 
NYPD officials are still working on a set of policy guidelines, such as when the cameras should be turned on, how long the resulting video will be stored and who has access to the storage, Ms. Tisch said. That has to be in place before the officers start using the cameras.

In "New York City...just the data storage alone is a huge challenge on this kind of scale. The confidentiality issues are a huge challenge. So, we got a lot to sort out," Mayor Bill de Blasio said at an unrelated news conference on Thursday.​

Memory is cheap as fuck and so is cloud storage. This isn't 1999.
 
NYPD officials are still working on a set of policy guidelines, such as when the cameras should be turned on, how long the resulting video will be stored and who has access to the storage, Ms. Tisch said. That has to be in place before the officers start using the cameras.

In "New York City...just the data storage alone is a huge challenge on this kind of scale. The confidentiality issues are a huge challenge. So, we got a lot to sort out," Mayor Bill de Blasio said at an unrelated news conference on Thursday.​

Memory is cheap as fuck and so is cloud storage. This isn't 1999.
Making it so it can't "disappear" is a problem.
 
Hopefully they'll be effective, and not merely turned on solely to support a cop's version of events. The stop and frisk tactics really bother me. When I was in NY I witnessed it, the cops ignored whites and went right after black men. Maybe if they all start wearing these cameras they'll avoid the hardcore racial profiling.

I doubt it.
 
For some reason, the lapel cams that the Albuquerque Police Department are mandated to wear never seem to work when they feel like murdering someone. This stuff is useless unless it's always on and open to public review.
 
They need to be head-mounted. Put them anywhere else and cops can conveniently have them pointing at something unimportant while they get naughty.
There also needs to be no way for them to be disabled except on break. No, fuck that. These need to be on at all times during work hours, even in the station. And the footage needs to be uploaded in real time to a server that's not run by a law enforcement agency.
 
People keep saying stuff like this,
Do dashcams suddenly malfunction or disappear when it benefits cops?

Yes. Even footage from private cameras disappears when it benefits cops. An example from this specific department would be when a cop ran someone over with their car recently.
 
50% of the vehicles with audio in LAPD "stopped working" so I'm sure these will "stop working" as well.

I guess but it seems like it still does some good, we recently had the case here were after a highspeed chase the guy crashed and in the dashcam video you see the cops go over pull him out and just start beating the shit out of him.
 
and I hope the data is going to a third party.

This right here is what truly matters. It do not matter if the captures are going to the very departments that it is there to watch over and aide clear up disputes. It needs to go to a third party who will have no interest in covering for the actions of any of the people involved in such disputes.


Still, whoever is going to be in control of such data is going to have their work cut out for them to properly maintain it.
 
Somehow I doubt the storage issues are quite as challenging as they portray.

Its not a challenge at all actually. The normal "consumer" services store data at a scale that dwarfs anything that NYPD will have to store. Most of the data doesn't need to be retained at all, so you'll never have *THAT* must stuff sitting around in archive.

As far as policy goes, anytime an officer responds to a call - the camera should come on. Anytime the officer plans to interact with someone - the camera should come on.
Anytime the officer draws any weapon - the camera should automatically come on.

All of this is possible in an automated manner using bluetoothlow energy enhancements to the existing technology.

As far as the regular recording, you can do the same thing as a security camera and just keep recording in a loop.
 
Yes because the majority of police are definitely bad and out to get us :| Do you read every bad cop story online and now automatically assume they are all like that? Anyway....

I do support this move though btw as it will hopefully deter the few bad cops out there.

Of course there are good cops (my neighbor whom I love is a cop), but they have guns that can kill me in an instant. I'll stay away.

My neighbor I visit daily though lol
 
People just don't get how deep the rot runs.
No they don't and why should they? They are not the people being harassed on a daily basis, so they come into threads like this and complain about how cops are being unfairly labeled.

I guess but it seems like it still does some good, we recently had the case here were after a highspeed chase the guy crashed and in the dashcam video you see the cops go over pull him out and just start beating the shit out of him.

Well yeah they work, as long as the cops don't tamper with them but we know they will and will probably never face any consequences for it.

Yeah, Eric Garner was a fool to say "this stops today". What a fucking dummy right?

Well Eric Garner deserved it, he didn't know his place.
 
Its not a challenge at all actually. The normal "consumer" services store data at a scale that dwarfs anything that NYPD will have to store. Most of the data doesn't need to be retained at all, so you'll never have *THAT* must stuff sitting around in archive.

As far as policy goes, anytime an officer responds to a call - the camera should come on. Anytime the officer plans to interact with someone - the camera should come on.
Anytime the officer draws any weapon - the camera should automatically come on.

All of this is possible in an automated manner using bluetoothlow energy enhancements to the existing technology..

Automated by what? A.I.? How is the A.I. supposed to work without having a camera on?
If you leave it up to cops to tell the camera when they're interacting with someone then they'll just neglect to do that if they think something might be about to go down that they don't want others to see.
 
arent the cops who work at yankee stadium off duty but still in uniform? the closest i havent ever been to witnessing police brutality was at the stadium. a guy, probably early or mid 20s had clearly had a few too many beers and was doing something mildly annoying and against the rules. standing on his seat maybe. and the cop in the section knocked the crap out of him and dragged him out of the stadium. i sat in that section about 25 times a year for the past several years and most of the cops i saw there were regulars, but i never saw that guy again. i wonder if he was disciplined.

and to the people talking about walking on the other side of the street when you see a cop: i dont actually think thats unreasonable. sure, the likelihood anything bad will happen is low, but the consequences are potentially very high. and even if nothing terrible happens, many cops do minor power-trip type stuff all the time.
 
"when they should be turned on"

continuously, or you're going to get abuse of them, just like turning a camera off during an interrogation.

Even when they are using the restroom? Eating on lunch break and maybe making a phone call to family?

Seems like there are potentially many scenarios when it would/should be flipped off and on.
 
"when they should be turned on"

continuously, or you're going to get abuse of them, just like turning a camera off during an interrogation.

I can think of some reasons why it shouldn't be turned on. Police officers are typically first responders. I would think that perhaps a rape victim's statement does not have to be video taped by the officer's body-cam.

NYPD officials are still working on a set of policy guidelines, such as when the cameras should be turned on, how long the resulting video will be stored and who has access to the storage, Ms. Tisch said. That has to be in place before the officers start using the cameras.

In "New York City...just the data storage alone is a huge challenge on this kind of scale. The confidentiality issues are a huge challenge. So, we got a lot to sort out," Mayor Bill de Blasio said at an unrelated news conference on Thursday.​

Memory is cheap as fuck and so is cloud storage. This isn't 1999.

34,000 uniformed officers patrolling nyc. That is a lot of video.
 
NYPD officials are still working on a set of policy guidelines, such as when the cameras should be turned on, how long the resulting video will be stored and who has access to the storage, Ms. Tisch said. That has to be in place before the officers start using the cameras.

In "New York City...just the data storage alone is a huge challenge on this kind of scale. The confidentiality issues are a huge challenge. So, we got a lot to sort out," Mayor Bill de Blasio said at an unrelated news conference on Thursday.​

Memory is cheap as fuck and so is cloud storage. This isn't 1999.

NYPD should be happy that Dropbox is now only $9.99/mo for 1TB!
 
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