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NYT: Comey tried to shield FBI from politics & instead shaped the election

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rambis

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I mean his colleagues called him out for doing what he did as an ethics breach, right after it happened. He knew what he was doing and would end up doing, because it was obvious to all, and did it anyway.

But it wasn't an ethics breach no matter how you try to slice it.
 

Guy.brush

Member
He obviously did it to upgrade his movie role to something having a bit more of a tragic -> redemption arc.
I need that Matt Damon as Chris Steele, Affleck as Comey movie.
 

Glix

Member
I think a candidate running an illegal server in her basement (unlike any past SoS) to hide the fact that they were running Bill Clinton, Inc. in conjunction with the State Department, shaped the election.

Illegal?

Please post a link to the violated law or get the fuck out.

Thanks!
 

Kodros

Member
He was told not to do it, yet did it. When he saw what happened he stood silent. He made a poor choice and did nothing to fix it.

If you read the article, he could have been ordered not to do it. However, they didn't stop him because if they did and the emails ended up being something bad, they would be in the same situation that Comey was trying to prevent. Then there would have been a backlash for their departments too.
 

shem935

Banned
I think a candidate running an illegal server in her basement (unlike any past SoS) to hide the fact that they were running Bill Clinton, Inc. in conjunction with the State Department, shaped the election.

This like a nervous tick for you or what?


Goddamn clown shoes.
 

DOWN

Banned
But it wasn't an ethics breach no matter how you try to slice it.
That's debatable imo. Him providing a second update negating the shocker and saying the investigation will stay closed in the moments before the election, makes it very questionable that he decided to deliver an ominous and open ended update saying they were re-opening it in the first place that he let explode on every front page for days. You really think any competent adult wouldn't know the effects of shouting "LOOK" and then whispering "Its nothing" a week later within days of the vote?
 

Xe4

Banned
If you read the article, he could have been ordered not to do it. However, they didn't stop him because if they did and the emails ended up being something bad, they would be in the same situation that Comey was trying to prevent. Then there would have been a backlash for their departments too.

Obama and departments under him wanted to stay away from the Hillary case for the same reason he wanted to stay away from Trump's, it would've been a very bad look. I have no problems with Obama staying away, he made the right call.

Comey should have too. They looked through all the emails within 8 days of the announcement, even before the election. Perhaps he should have decided to filter out the old ones first before making a statement about it.
 

Guevara

Member
Like what? I'm pretty sure the email scandal was a big, public issue before the FBI started investigating.
They would have invented some fake scandal:

"We're opening an investigation into use of funds at the Clinton Global Initiative"
"We're opening an investigation into State Department conflicts of interest"
"We're reopening the Benghazi investigation"
 

Jenov

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I think a candidate running an illegal server in her basement (unlike any past SoS) to hide the fact that they were running Bill Clinton, Inc. in conjunction with the State Department, shaped the election.

Woah, so this explains a lot about your posting habits... lay off the conspiracy/right wing kool aid man.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Are you questioning the FACT that "Bill Clinton, Inc." is a thing? or that they were running a server/communications away from FOIA requests?

The DNC and Hillary voters voted for a shady Prima Donna with a 30+ history of allegations of against her for the very same shenanigans she was trying to pull with her server in the basement. The DNC let her claim her turn, and hoped for the best. Unfortunately, the emails came out.

30 years of go right ahead and list all these crimes, since they're so well documented. Go on. Make a list of Hillary's real crimes that actually happened. I'm waiting right here to read it.
 

ZOONAMI

Junior Member
Are you questioning the FACT that "Bill Clinton, Inc." is a thing? or that they were running a server/communications away from FOIA requests?

The DNC and Hillary voters voted for a shady Prima Donna with a 30+ history of allegations of against her for the very same shenanigans she was trying to pull with her server in the basement. The DNC let her claim her turn, and hoped for the best. Unfortunately, the emails came out.

What?
 
Zeyphersan said:
Actually I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson had his own server when he was secretary

Uff... got me there.


This is not only idiotic, it's pretty blatant propaganda. Clinton has plenty of legitimate grounds to be criticized for her private server, but that you choose to go down this conspiracy route is incredibly telling.

Bill Clinton, Inc. and the shenanigans pulled by the slush fund that is the Clinton Foundation are anything but a conspiracy.

Would you all be happier if we called it an "unauthorized" email server? Clinton dug her own grave, so it is sad to see people trying to pit it on Comey.

30 years of go right ahead and list all these crimes, since they're so well documented. Go on. Make a list of Hillary's real crimes that actually happened. I'm waiting right here to read it.

Unfortunately, pay-to-play and foreign interventions ala Henry Kissinger are not viewed as crimes in the US.
 

Xe4

Banned
Uff... got me there.




Bill Clinton, Inc. and the shenanigans pulled by the slush fund that is the Clinton Foundation are anything but a conspiracy.

Would you all be happier if we called it an "unauthorized" email server? Clinton dug her own grave, so it is sad to see people trying to pit it on Comey.



Unfortunately, pay-to-play and foreign interventions ala Henry Kissinger are not viewed as crimes in the US.
Did you even read the article? I highly suggest you do, because it's a lot less simple than you're putting it.

And you're making crazy claims, but I have yet to see a single source for them.
 
There are a few legit reasons to disclose re-opening the Clinton scandal while staying quiet on Trump. Chief among them is that any investigation into Russian ties prior to the election could have tipped off the people they were trying to investigate. Everything that's come out so far implicates people close to Trump but not Trump directly, so staying mum in order to collect more information was prudent. It's not necessarily the choice I would have made but there is some sense to it.

The Comey letter re-opening the Clinton email scandal is another matter entirely, and I honestly think it all comes down to Loretta Lynch talking to Bill on the tarmac. It's an incredibly stupid, frivolous scandal, but the accusation of collusion between the DoJ and the Clinton campaign was sticking, Comey did not want to hide anything about an investigation that was already public knowledge. Again, this is NOT what I would have done either, but there is an argument to be made for why he spoke out on Clinton but not Trump. What really should have happened is he shouldn't have said anything until they had gone through Weiner's emails. They only just barely got through that before the election, but they could have easily missed that deadline. I think that's why he felt pressured to say something immediately, because he didn't know how long it would take. It was absolutely the wrong move though.

I'm not sure I follow. You mention why it's prudent to not disclose Trump's investigation, which I agree since what you said is the same reason why the FBI never comments on investigation.

But you also mention there's a reason to discuss re-opening the Clinton scandal but don't mention those. In fact, you say it was absolutely the wrong move, which I agree, but you left it at that.

The frivolous "scandal" bout Loretta Lynch was that, frivolous. Even if it stuck, the FBI is (supposed to be) above petty political scandals, there was no reason for Comey to react to it. The only prudent course of action is to not disclose either, because that's not what the FBI was supposed to be doing. But if he absolutely, 100% HAD TO disclose the existence of one, the ONLY way to remain bipartisan was to disclose both.

Of course, disclosing both was not an option, which further fortifies the fact that he shouldn't have said anything in the first place.
 

kirblar

Member
Eh, this is pretty shoddy reporting by the NYT. The pre-election email scandal appears to have been orchestrated by Rudy Giuliani, who had the NYPD force Comey to send the letter to Congress. Comey didn't have a choice because if he hadn't sent the letter, the NYPD would've leaked the information.

Maybe if the Obama administration had allowed Comey to write the op-ed in June/July we wouldn't be in this scenario now.
You haven't heard anything from Rudy in a while. Probably a reason for that. (spoiler: it's Russia.)
 

jWILL253

Banned
You know... I've never been a huge fan of math, but I've always been intrigued by statistics and measuring probability. And one of the questions I've always wanted to solve is likelihood of Comey being a partisan hack, vs Comey simply being an incompetent, dribbling idiot. Because I've always held the theory that no one could be THAT stupid, especially someone of his status, with as much access to correct information.

If this article is correct, then I was wrong, and Comey needs someone at all times to make sure he can take two steps without shitting on himself.
 
Did you even read the article? I highly suggest you do, because it's a lot less simple than you're putting it.

And you're making crazy claims, but I have yet to see a single source for them.

This can get you started on Bill Clinton Inc.

Inside ‘Bill Clinton Inc.’: Hacked memo reveals intersection of charity and personal income

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...662adaa0048_story.html?utm_term=.010594792ee3

And here is Clinton, hiding communications away from FOIA requests with her international mole and loyal lackey Sidney Blumenthal plotting shenanigans in Libya.

https://news.vice.com/article/libya...idney-blumenthal-sent-hillary-clinton-in-2011
 

Xe4

Banned
I think it should be pointed out that the FBI was going against its *own* policy in revealing there was an investigation. Indeed, they almost never reveal whether or not an investigation is taking place, which is why they (rightfully) kept quiet about Trump. To make an exception for Clinton is partisan and wrong, there is no excuse for it.

This can get you started on Bill Clinton Inc.

Inside ‘Bill Clinton Inc.': Hacked memo reveals intersection of charity and personal income

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...662adaa0048_story.html?utm_term=.010594792ee3

And here is Clinton, hiding communications away from FOIA requests with her international mole and loyal lackey Sidney Blumenthal plotting shenanigans in Libya.

https://news.vice.com/article/libya...idney-blumenthal-sent-hillary-clinton-in-2011

You don know Bill Clinton Inc. is made up name by an aide, right? And? Is it bad that an aide had a service running for different facets of the Clinton foundation. No unethical behavior was known about by Bill, at least according to the article. And it's based off Wikileaks documents, which may have a host of problems with them.

The second source doesn't even reference Clinton hiding info from FOIA requests, only talking about reasons for why France would want to intervene in Lybia. And I ask again, so?
Also, the second source doesn't say shit about FOIA requests.

None of it ties to her emails, either.
 

Kyzer

Banned
I think people are confused. Disclosing to congress and disclosing to the public are two different things, this is Chaffetz's fault not Comey's. Comey gave a sworn public testimony that Hillary did nothing wrong and took a beating for hours while he defended the decision. He disclosed to the committee that there was new potential evidence that might change his testimony. People unable to grasp the difference between the trump and hillary cases while trying to figure out Comeys game, thats it. Blame Chaffetz


I think it should be pointed out that the FBI was going against its *own* policy in revealing there was an investigation. Indeed, they almost never reveal whether or not an investigation is taking place, which is why they (rightfully) kept quiet about Trump. To make an exception for Clinton is partisan and wrong, there is no excuse for it.


Thats the thing, the public already did know about the investigation, and it was supposed to be closed already. They didnt reveal Hillarys and not Trumps, they just consistent to their policy didnt reveal Trumps.
 
This can get you started on Bill Clinton Inc.

Inside ‘Bill Clinton Inc.': Hacked memo reveals intersection of charity and personal income

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...662adaa0048_story.html?utm_term=.010594792ee3

And here is Clinton, hiding communications away from FOIA requests with her international mole and loyal lackey Sidney Blumenthal plotting shenanigans in Libya.

https://news.vice.com/article/libya...idney-blumenthal-sent-hillary-clinton-in-2011

No one cares.

You're making a lot of smoke which is distracting from what people who are still relevant in our politics are doing. Now you're either doing this on purpose, or you're not even aware that you're doing it.

Either way, it's completely irrelevant to this thread.
 
Months before the letter, he should have been fired after his unprecedented press conference in July lambasting Hillary. Who cares about pressure, leaks, perception, etc., it's your job and obligation to not disclose information on ongoing investigations, especially vital when it could influence an election.
 

guek

Banned
I'm not sure I follow. You mention why it's prudent to not disclose Trump's investigation, which I agree since what you said is the same reason why the FBI never comments on investigation.

But you also mention there's a reason to discuss re-opening the Clinton scandal but don't mention those. In fact, you say it was absolutely the wrong move, which I agree, but you left it at that.

The frivolous "scandal" bout Loretta Lynch was that, frivolous. Even if it stuck, the FBI is (supposed to be) above petty political scandals, there was no reason for Comey to react to it. The only prudent course of action is to not disclose either, because that's not what the FBI was supposed to be doing. But if he absolutely, 100% HAD TO disclose the existence of one, the ONLY way to remain bipartisan was to disclose both.

Of course, disclosing both was not an option, which further fortifies the fact that he shouldn't have said anything in the first place.

The problem is that the re-opening of the investigation was going to leak anyway, as was stated earlier in the thread. With suspicion that the DoJ was conspiring with Clinton's campaign, Comey got out ahead of his own potential scandal by writing a letter to congress which was then also leaked. He was trying to cover his own ass and protect his legacy but fucked it up royally.
 
No one cares.

You're making a lot of smoke which is distracting from what people who are still relevant in our politics are doing. Now you're either doing this on purpose, or you're not even aware that you're doing it.

Either way, it's completely irrelevant to this thread.

I just want to make sure we recognize that the blame lies on Hillary (and yes Hillary voters for closing their eyes and saying "LA LA LA" about a situation we knew early on during the primaries, which ultimately did her in). . . not Comey.

Blaming Comey or the FBI is the damn wrong lesson to get out of what happened in November.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
But it wasn't an ethics breach no matter how you try to slice it.

If he deliberately broke a policy guideline to benefit one candidate over another it's a massive ethics breach. Unfortunately unless he admits that there's no proof that was his intent.

But it doesn't look great, does it?

I just want to make sure we recognize that the blame lies on Hillary (and yes Hillary voters for closing their eyes and saying "LA LA LA" about a situation we knew early on during the primaries, which ultimately did her in). . . not Comey.

Blaming Comey or the FBI is the damn wrong lesson to get out of what happened in November.

This is a thread about Comey's actions during the election. GTFO to a Hillary or Bernie thread if you want to talk about their campaign weaknesses.
 

rambis

Banned
Maybe ethics breach is too strong and not entirely fitting. But it was definitely against established policies and norms and he was called out by colleagues for doing it, including Eric Holder. Comey broke a long-standing Justice Department rule.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rector-cryptic-letter-clinton-emails-response

Its clear he broke status quo but that doesn't automatically signal to me that he was trying to get someone elected over the other.
If he deliberately broke a policy guideline to benefit one candidate over another it's a massive ethics breach. Unfortunately unless he admits that there's no proof that was his intent.

But it doesn't look great, does it?



This is a thread about Comey's actions during the election. GTFO to a Hillary or Bernie thread if you want to talk about their campaign weaknesses.

Right, bad optics but I'm a little more nuanced in who I call a shill.
 
This is a thread about Comey's actions during the election. GTFO to a Hillary or Bernie thread if you want to talk about their campaign weaknesses.

Hillary's shadiness is what put Comey on the spot. Hillary's lack of integrity is what shaped the outcome of the election.
 

Xe4

Banned
Thats the thing, the public already did know about the investigation, and it was supposed to be closed already. They didnt reveal Hillarys and not Trumps, they just consistent to their policy didnt reveal Trumps.

The public certainly did not know the case was reopened. Nor did the FBI have any need to inform them, just as with the Trump case. The FBI informed congress against their own guidelines of not confirming an investigation. Not only that, but they did so without knowing any of the content of the emails (hint: they contained jack shit, as was found out 8 days later, before the election had even happened), against the recommendations of Lynch and Yates. There is no excuse for that, period.

Hillary's shadiness is what put Comey on the spot. Hillary's lack of integrity is what shaped the outcome of the election.

READ THE ARTICLE. I know you haven't, because as I've said before, it's a LOT more complicated than that.
 
Hillary's shadiness is what put Comey on the spot. Hillary's lack of integrity is what shaped the outcome of the election.

You think she asked for him to come out and hold a press conference in July? Or the last minute letter when she's up in the polls?

Maybe he could have just kept quiet like a good little FBI director who doesn't have prosecutable evidence, and not try to influence an election?
 

jWILL253

Banned
Hillary's shadiness is what put Comey on the spot. Hillary's lack of integrity is what shaped the outcome of the election.

You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to blame Hillary for lacking integrity when the entire executive branch has literally zero integrity.

But please tell me, what do you think of Trump's actions, and his lack of integrity? Seriously, I want to know.
 

MIMIC

Banned
He could not let politics affect his decision, he replied. “If we ever start considering who might be affected, and in what way, by what we do, we’re done,” he told the agents.

I definitely see where he's coming from. It would kinda make sense to also disclose that he was investigating Trump, too...just to make it fair. But, trying to make it fair (off-setting Hillary's damage) would be playing politics.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Hillary's shadiness is what put Comey on the spot. Hillary's lack of integrity is what shaped the outcome of the election.

Again, I'm still waiting on your "30 years of crimes" list, but let's start with the email server.

Why don't you explain what Hillary actually did here and what Comey's eventual findings and recommendation were? Because obviously it was super sketch. So go on, describe the crime, the results of the investigation and the next steps for this outrageous violation of law and ethics.
 

Xe4

Banned
I definitely see where he's coming from. It would kinda make sense to also disclose that he was investigating Trump, too...just to make it fair. But, trying to make it fair (off-setting Hillary's damage) would be playing politics.

He was already playing politics by stating Hillary was under investigation against FBI guidelines, and recommendations from Lynch, Yates, and others in the FBI to not send the letter. He shouldn't have talked about either, but because he did, he potentially compromised an election because he was so worried about fallout (which would have never happened, had they actually reviewed, or at least filtered the emails first).
 

DOWN

Banned
I definitely see where he's coming from. It would kinda make sense to also disclose that he was investigating Trump, too...just to make it fair. But, trying to make it fair (off-setting Hillary's damage) would be playing politics.
It's just the problem is that his press conference decision to talk about Hillary in July was politics no matter what. The FBI, let alone its director, has never done such a public scolding of someone for 15 minutes to the press that ends in the news actually being cases closed, no charges. He already broke the norm to discuss Hillary only.

And his choice to release a damaging "new emails" update in the final days of October rather than actually checking the emails first was political, further blown up by his negation of the big shocker coming a week later.
 
Again, I'm still waiting on your "30 years of crimes" list, but let's start with the email server.

Why don't you explain what Hillary actually did here and what Comey's eventual findings and recommendation were? Because obviously it was super sketch. So go on, describe the crime, the results of the investigation and the next steps for this outrageous violation of law and ethics.

On the server, as reminded to us all in this very article, they only failed to prove intent after Hillary was being same old shady as fuck Hillary by bleaching away entire batches of emails. I also lost count on how many 5ths were pleaded by her aids to protect the Prima Donna.

As the article states, we can't forget Loretta Lynch's fun casual chat at the tarmac about "golf and grandkids" with Mr Bill Clinton Inc. Comey had the pressure of not coming off as the total pro-Clinton biased tool that Lynch turned out to be.
 

Xe4

Banned
On the server, as reminded to us all in this very article, they only failed to prove intent after Hillary was being same old shady as fuck Hillary by bleaching entire batches of emails. I also lost count on how many 5ths were pleaded by her aids to protect the Prima Donna.

As the article states, we can't forget Loretta Lynch's fun casual chat at the tarmac about "golf and grandkids" with Mr Bill Clinton Inc. Comey had the pressure of not coming off as the total pro-Clinton biased tool that Lynch turned out to be.

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dramatis

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On the server, as reminded to us all in this very article, they only failed to prove intent after Hillary was being same old shady as fuck Hillary by bleaching away entire batches of emails. I also lost count on how many 5ths were pleaded by her aids to protect the Prima Donna.

As the article states, we can't forget Loretta Lynch's fun casual chat at the tarmac about "golf and grandkids" with Mr Bill Clinton Inc. Comey had the pressure of not coming off as the total pro-Clinton biased tool that Lynch turned out to be.
It's pretty well known that Bill Clinton loves talking, and it doesn't matter really to who.

There are rules that the DoJ and FBI normally follow when it comes to these circumstances, and Lynch was following it and also recommending that Comey follow the rules too. Nothing "pro-Clinton biased tool" there.

We get it, you hate the Clintons. But you show no understanding or even attempts at understanding the nuances of the investigations done by the FBI, nor are you interested in discussing said nuances. You should back out.
 
Oh look, El_Tiguere derailed another thread.

Sad.

OT: Comey did fuck this up. However I am glad they are full steam ahead on the Trump investigation.
 
The problem is that the re-opening of the investigation was going to leak anyway, as was stated earlier in the thread. With suspicion that the DoJ was conspiring with Clinton's campaign, Comey got out ahead of his own potential scandal by writing a letter to congress which was then also leaked. He was trying to cover his own ass and protect his legacy but fucked it up royally.

Agreed. On the other hand, there was zero chance that Comey didn't think it was going to be leaked, so Comey was basically like

"This information can't be leaked if I leak it myself"
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jWILL253

Banned
On the server, as reminded to us all in this very article, they only failed to prove intent after Hillary was being same old shady as fuck Hillary by bleaching away entire batches of emails. I also lost count on how many 5ths were pleaded by her aids to protect the Prima Donna.

As the article states, we can't forget Loretta Lynch's fun casual chat at the tarmac about "golf and grandkids" with Mr Bill Clinton Inc. Comey had the pressure of not coming off as the total pro-Clinton biased tool that Lynch turned out to be.

You're discussing optics, again.

People have asked you what laws did Clinton break.

If you're not gonna even pretend to be unbiased, quit wasting our time and derailing the thread.
 
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One nagging issue was that Mrs. Clinton had deleted an unknown number of emails from her early months at the State Department — before she installed the home server. Agents believed that those emails, sent from a BlackBerry account, might be their best hope of assessing Mrs. Clinton’s intentions when she moved to the server. If only they could find them.

and...

When Ms. Lynch’s staff members noticed Mr. Clinton boarding the plane, a press aide hurriedly called the Justice Department’s communications director, Melanie Newman, who said to break up the meeting immediately. A staff member rushed to stop it, but by the time the conversation ended, Mr. Clinton had been on the plane for about 20 minutes.

The meeting made the local news the next day and was soon the talk of Washington. Ms. Lynch said they had only exchanged pleasantries about golf and grandchildren, but Republicans called for her to recuse herself and appoint a special prosecutor

I'm glad to refresh people's minds about the shady shit going on at the Justice Department over the Clinton investigation. The article notes a few of those.
 

Mully

Member
I think a candidate running an illegal server in her basement (unlike any past SoS) to hide the fact that they were running Bill Clinton, Inc. in conjunction with the State Department, shaped the election.

Powell used a private server as well.

Go home you're drunk. Bernie lost and you're peddling GOP and Russian propaganda.
 
Hahaha I'm sure Bill Clinton simply loves talking to peeps... such a charmer. Especially likes talking to those that could either send her wife (and likely hinself) to the slammer instead of the White House.

Powell used a private server as well.

Go home you're drunk. Bernie lost and you're peddling GOP and Russian propaganda.

Powell used a private email, not an unauthorized server tucked away in his basement. Big difference there.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clinton-said-my-predecessors-did-same-thin/
 
Again? sure...



and...



I'm glad to refresh people's minds about the shady shit going on at the Justice Department over the Clinton investigation. The article notes a few of those.

I don't even know what you're going on about with the second part, but that first part is hilarious. WHAT WERE HER INTENTIONS IN MOVING SERVERS?! Iunno, more convenient email like what was suggested to her by the prior SOS?
 

Kyzer

Banned
The public certainly did not know the case was reopened. Nor did the FBI have any need to inform them, just as with the Trump case. The FBI informed congress against their own guidelines of not confirming an investigation. Not only that, but they did so without knowing any of the content of the emails (hint: they contained jack shit, as was found out 8 days later, before the election had even happened), against the recommendations of Lynch and Yates. There is no excuse for that, period.



READ THE ARTICLE. I know you haven't, because as I've said before, it's a LOT more complicated than that.

There is an excuse, to anyone reasonable enough to listen. The public knew about the Hillary investigation already, like you said they "re" opened the investigation. Nor did Comey disclose to the public that the investigation was reopened in the first place, he disclosed it to congress. So there is no unfair reveal of one and not the other. Im not sure why people are so steadfast in wanting to believe that Comey was trying to do something to Hillary.

To sit from an armchair and say the director of the fbi had no excuse to disclose to congress that the investigation about the presidential candidate was reopened after giving a sworn testimony is basically to be actively ignoring reasonable explanations in search of political conspiracy. Ironically, when Comey was defending Hillarys innocence it was the republicans claiming comey was a friend of the clintons and in cahoots with the justice dept and the whole system was politically biased.
 
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