Krauser Kat
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who is an idiot in this statement? People who voted for obama? Im sure he singlehandly checks the immigration status of every detained person to make sure its all good.
NYT: Some US citizens detained as "illegal immigrants"
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who is an idiot in this statement? People who voted for obama? Im sure he singlehandly checks the immigration status of every detained person to make sure its all good.
Frankfurter
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You don't have personal identity cards in the US, right?
Agreed. I don't always agree with the ACLU but the VAST majority of the time they do wonderful work.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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All that is needed to prove citizenship in the US is a birth certificate, really. I forget what else is accepted. Social security cards and passports. I do not believe driver's licenses are proof of citizenship, but I could be wrong.
CabbageRed
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Yes. I believe that Obama creates laws in a vacuum and single-handedly enforces them. You're lucky I'm the dumbest person in the universe or you would have come off sounding needlessly defensive to the point of being delusional.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
The Department of Homeland Security has to be such a huge mess.
It seems like when federal agencies order local police to detain people it can end up really fucking over a person's rights, because the local police don't have the personal responsibility if things go wrong, and the federal agency is a bureaucracy that can't handle things in a timely manner.
What happens when these federal agencies get even more underfunded due to austerity budgets?
Yeah.
edit: btw, has anyone else read Zeitoun? It's really disgusting what kind of things are possible.
It seems like when federal agencies order local police to detain people it can end up really fucking over a person's rights, because the local police don't have the personal responsibility if things go wrong, and the federal agency is a bureaucracy that can't handle things in a timely manner.
What happens when these federal agencies get even more underfunded due to austerity budgets?
Yeah.
edit: btw, has anyone else read Zeitoun? It's really disgusting what kind of things are possible.
Amibguous Cad
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Right, I've seen the bill, but it's not even remotely constitutional. Even if he managed to get it passed it wouldn't do much. His appointments to the supreme court, on the other hand...
(1880s America is probably more the golden age he has in mind, though. Way too much regulation and welfare state in the 50s)
I think there's plenty reason to think Paul wouldn't approve of such measures. Agreeing with the goal is not the same as agreeing with the means. His support of restrictive immigration policy is a notable violation of his otherwise consistent-to-the-point-of-insanity non-aggression principle, but it does not necessarily entail disrespecting standard criminal protections against wrongful imprisonment. Given his support of procedural protection of civil liberties, we have every reason to suspect that he would not view this as legitimate means to the end of protecting the borders.
Dude Abides
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No it isn't. Congress has the power to provide for the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. It may be unconstitutional but it isn't clearly unconstitutional.
No, we do not. Ron Paul supports federalism, and takes the standard GOP line on "enforcing the immigration laws." That necessarily leads to situations like here, where state authorities detain people initially on suspicion of some state-law crime, and the Feds then have an opportunity to check if they should be deported. There is no reason, apart from his rote and hollow invocations about liberty, to think that Ron Paul would have any substantive objections to the Secure Communities program.
Who was hyperbolically bashing Obama? I mean, doesn't that require, you know, hyperbole?
HammerOfThor
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I'd detain her alright...
I'd detain the fuck outta her.
I'd detain the fuck outta her.
Fuck out BS "laws", the older I get the more I realize how ass-backwards our country is
poppabk
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The article states that in the two cases mentioned they were flagged in databases.
So not racial profiling.
Okay, so he was detained because he was flagged in a database because of racial profiling?
Habeas Corpus is dead, dude. So are the fourth and fifth amendments.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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That is incredibly fucked up.
He might not have substantive objections to the program, but he would abolish the department of homeland security, without which the program cannot exist.
evil solrac v3.0
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I'd let her illegally enter my pants...... yes... I think.
but this is scary for someone like me who is not yet a citizen (only permanent resident) forget about affording the application for citizenship.
but this is scary for someone like me who is not yet a citizen (only permanent resident) forget about affording the application for citizenship.
poppabk
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Well we have no details of that case so it would be pretty presumptuous to assume racial profiling, in the current case it wasn't. As for the girl she entered the us on her Spanish passport at some point.
CabbageRed
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"Any society that would bitch about giving up a little liberty in the hopes of gaining a little security will lose their jobs, and be fraught with brown people."
sans_pants
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frontline kinda painted it like he was doing it so he could get republican backing for broad immigration reform, but im sure its just spin
sans_pants
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anything under the umbrella of "security" will be the last possible thing cut from america's budget
To be fair it isn't Gaborn bringing up Ron Paul. it's like an instinct on this board.
Obama does something stupid, try to defend it. Can't defend it, spin it. Can't spin it, bring up Ron Paul.
I'm also not bashing Obama with hyperbole. I still think his decision to assassinate an American citizen is beyond fucked up though.
Obama may be illegally incarcerating and murdering American citizens, but at least he doesn't give careful consideration to the gold standard.
The first person who brought up Ron Paul in this thread was a Ron Paul supporter. Nice try though at your own "spin."
He can't because he will never, ever be President of anything.
And obligatory offer of Scottish citizenship to the exhilarating Ms. campos.
*pats OWV's head* Whatever you say.
Would you be ok with him assassinating the citizens of other countries? How about other countries assassinating American citizens?
jamesinclair
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At no point was I talking about the accused.
It's the immigration officers that need to spend some time in jail for breaking the law.
Fixed.
Edit: I'll just point out that I wasn't defending him in any way just pointing out it is now law. The Obama administration actually specifically asked for protection of American citizens be removed. It wasn't originally in there.
Is it retroactive to past actions? I'd assume he wanted his future actions protected knowing full well that to this point they were potentially not.
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