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[GK86]

I'm glad the American people put these numbnuts in charge of the country.

 

[Version 3.0]

I'm actually stunned that their "plan" is not just to repeal it, do nothing further, and try to blame Obama / Democrats for the effects.

 

[TheMan]

just proves they were being obstructionist simply as a way of saying fuck you to obama, with no actual intent to improve health care for the country

what a bunch of dumb fucking cunts

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

They'll try but even their voter base will see right through that. They've been campaigning against this for nearly 8 years. If it gets worse under their watch it is on them.

Don't know what you're talking about; the Republican party has always been trying to repair the obviously flawed Obamacare ever since it was passed by the Democrats.

 

[theWB27]

I just wish obama would release a statement that simply said "see."

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Just rename it Eaglecare, you idiots.

 

[Nordicus]

what a bunch of dumb fucking cunts

With GOP, I feel you should always apply reverse Hanlon's Razor

 

[Jeevesmeister]

Easy solution, Republicans!

Institute Single-payer. Offer everyone making less than $100k/yr in private health insurance companies first dibs at jobs in your new public institution. Cut out the goddamn vultures entirely.

 

[LakeEarth]

How many millions of dollars were wasted trying to repeal it dozens upon dozens of times?

 

[tuxfool]

I just wish obama would release a statement that simply said "see."

He had already made such a statement. It was much more nuanced and extensive so those morons probably wouldn't pay attention to it, but he had predicted this outcome sometime in January, I think.

 

[Goro Majima]

Absolute best case scenario to spin this in favor of the GOP, is that they never, ever expected to win the presidency.

Any other explanation is just hilarious incompetency on their part because for six years they've been bitching about this law.

 

[LegendofJoe]

How many millions of dollars were wasted trying to repeal it dozens upon dozens of times?

That's smart, shows fiscal and personal responsibility.

 

[GameAddict411]

I think it already started to sink in that Trump will make any bi partisan corporation be extremely difficult from now on. Trump's honeymoon period is ending soon, and people will start become more critical of Trump if he doesn't remove the "evil" Obamacare. If premiums increase next year, it might actually cost them the mid terms in 2018. The Republicans promised something that will fuck them over if they accomplished, and also fuck them over if they don't. Great news nonetheless.

 

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[evil solrac v3.0]

I don't understand why people always have to try and destroy something just because it wasn't their idea or worse, solely because it wasn't done by them. If it's something that has improved the lives of the people in your country why are they so eager to destroy it? They should instead focus on making it better and doing things that improve their peoples lives, not just doing thing out of spite to jab a finger in the eye of the other guy. People can be so petty, cruel, spiteful and disgusting. To bad people just never seem to care about anything but proving the other person or group wrong.

ego. nothing but pure, unadultered ego. and hate.

Don't know what you're talking about; the Republican party has always been trying to repair the obviously flawed Obamacare ever since it was passed by the Democrats.

woah there! too much sarcasm!

 

[adj_noun]

Just rename it Eaglecare, you idiots.

The ill eagle jokes write themselves.

 

[theWB27]

He had already made such a statement. It was much more nuanced and extensive so those morons probably wouldn't pay attention to it, but he had predicted this outcome sometime in January, I think.

I think i read that. I should search it though

 

[RPGCrazied]

They have no clue what they're doing. Ted Cruz is debating Bernie Sanders over this on CNN on Friday. That should be something to watch.

 

[Mollymauk]

You come at the king, you best not miss.

 

[theWB27]

They have no clue what they're doing. Ted Cruz is debating Bernie Sanders over this on CNN on Friday. That should be something to watch.

Bernie had better bring this up too.

 

[Jeevesmeister]

I mean, let's be clear here. Obamacare is fucking terrible, but not for the reasons the Republicans state. It's a blank check to private healthcare providers who have no obligation to provide access to adequate care, so you have people paying for plans with $5000 premiums - which in layman's terms means until you rack up five grand in medical bills, you're on your own. And with half of America having less than a thousand dollars in their pocket? You're still seeing medical emergencies as the number one reason for bankruptcy.

All the while, as we've learned from the premiums skyrocketing by 20% right before the election, and combined shitshow of the Schkreli and Epipen nightmares, there's nothing standing in the way of live saving medicine having their prices jacked up beyond belief so that CEOs can give themselves a raise. The fact that any liberal supports this shit is absolutely criminal and goes to show how far right the Republicans have dragged this country.

Obamacare is divisive, wonkish, means-tested bullshit that gives free reign to fuck the poor of the country over when it comes to accessing life-saving medical care, and let the wealthy right themselves fatter and fatter paychecks as they jack up the price of basic necessities like the epi-pen, a life-saving application developed from government funded research mind you, by hundreds of percent.

It's an absolute failure of a program. Health insurance is not the same as health care.

 

[AusRoachman]

Probably just doing some last minute adjustments to exclude blacks / Mexicans / Muslims / Iranians / Australians .

Also putin can't decide on a name yet.

 

[necrosis]

predicted this from the get-go

mcconnell is a horrible fuck but i don't think he's stupid enough to change senate rules in a way that would fucking destroy his party, potentially in as few as two years

 

[Toxi]

The only wall the Republicans have managed to build so far.

 

[Mrbob]

Been saying all along the Republicans wouldn't do a full repeal because it would be a political disaster. Obamacare does need tweaking but I don't know if these guys are the ones to fix it. Guess we have no choice now though.

The only wall the Republicans have managed to build so far.

Lol, this is pretty good.

 

[CornBurrito]

I've got a plan.

Deny every living human medical care unless they or an immediate family member earn over 250k a year.

But that's cruel. So instead make it so that if you earn less than that you simply can get medical care but you must work in a Federal Labor Camp for 7 dollars an hour until you pay off the cost of the procedure. Housing and food costs will be taken out of your wage naturally.

Hmm... no not quite right.

Instead of a Federal Labor Camp you'll have to take chances working for anyone willing to hire you. For any amount they deem suitable.

Perfect!

 

[Ogodei]

The story of the Trump era will be called "That Time the Dog Caught the Car, and What Followed."

 

[theWB27]

I mean, let's be clear here. Obamacare is fucking terrible, but not for the reasons the Republicans state. It's a blank check to private healthcare providers who have no obligation to provide access to adequate care, so you have people paying for plans with $5000 premiums - which in layman's terms means until you rack up five grand in medical bills, you're on your own. And with half of America having less than a thousand dollars in their pocket? You're still seeing medical emergencies as the number one reason for bankruptcy.

All the while, as we've learned from the premiums skyrocketing by 20% right before the election, and combined shitshow of the Schkreli and Epipen nightmares, there's nothing standing in the way of live saving medicine having their prices jacked up beyond belief so that CEOs can give themselves a raise. The fact that any liberal supports this shit is absolutely criminal and goes to show how far right the Republicans have dragged this country.

Obamacare is divisive, wonkish, means-tested bullshit that gives free reign to fuck the poor of the country over when it comes to accessing life-saving medical care, and let the wealthy right themselves fatter and fatter paychecks as they jack up the price of basic necessities like the epi-pen, a life-saving application developed from government funded research mind you, by hundreds of percent.

It's an absolute failure of a program. Health insurance is not the same as health care.

So this is why so many people say this is more a republican plan and they didn't want it because of the obvious.

 

[Foffy]

These dudes are funny as shit.

The only thing that can humanely replace the ACA is a universal health care system, which the Republicans would rather die than support.

It just so happens that the ACA, as awful as it is in their eyes, is actually the fucking Republican alternative to the ideal we need. The fact they thought of that as bad should show you how deluded and dangerous they are, all because a black man in an opposite party supported it, they're running for the hills. All of the problems with it stem from the fact it's based in that Republican, regressive filth.

Maybe that's the trick. Get Obama to support something, and they'll run away. Have Obama support every bullshit neoliberal problem in this culture and it may just turn the GOP into democratic socialists as they run away from the evil boogeyman.

I mean, let's be clear here. Obamacare is fucking terrible, but not for the reasons the Republicans state. It's a blank check to private healthcare providers who have no obligation to provide access to adequate care, so you have people paying for plans with $5000 premiums - which in layman's terms means until you rack up five grand in medical bills, you're on your own. And with half of America having less than a thousand dollars in their pocket? You're still seeing medical emergencies as the number one reason for bankruptcy.

All the while, as we've learned from the premiums skyrocketing by 20% right before the election, and combined shitshow of the Schkreli and Epipen nightmares, there's nothing standing in the way of live saving medicine having their prices jacked up beyond belief so that CEOs can give themselves a raise. The fact that any liberal supports this shit is absolutely criminal and goes to show how far right the Republicans have dragged this country.

Obamacare is divisive, wonkish, means-tested bullshit that gives free reign to fuck the poor of the country over when it comes to accessing life-saving medical care, and let the wealthy right themselves fatter and fatter paychecks as they jack up the price of basic necessities like the epi-pen, a life-saving application developed from government funded research mind you, by hundreds of percent.

It's an absolute failure of a program. Health insurance is not the same as health care.

As someone who has had friends, family, and myself benefitted by the ACA, this post should not be ignored.

It's a plus as a system if only because what we had prior was so bad. It, of itself, was never good.

Much like anything the Republicans think up, this is a basement concept for a foundation to something. We need to start talking about mapping a ground floor, but I guess that can only begin when and if the GOP fuck off as majority powers.

 

[Jeevesmeister]

This is how American health care kills people

Stewart is 29 years old, and was pursuing his Ph.D in American history at Texas Christian University until ill health forced him to withdraw. He lives in Ft. Worth, Texas, with his wife of six years, who is a junior high school teacher in a low-income district. They own their home. Before he came down with complications from cirrhosis caused by autoimmune hepatitis, he says he led a scrupulously healthy lifestyle — he does not drink or do any other non-medical drugs, he says, and was a devoted hiker before disaster struck. And he was insured — indeed, he had a gold plan from the ObamaCare exchanges, the second-best level of plan that you can get.

But now he faces imminent bankruptcy and possibly death.

The incomprehensible brutality of Stewart's story is an object lesson in how the American health care system mercilessly crushes American citizens when they are at their weakest and most vulnerable. With a liver transplant, Stewart might well live a full life. But before he can even be eligible for one, he must thread his way through a Kafkaesque labyrinth of private and public bureaucracy — and hope he doesn't die before he makes it through.

...

That is where Stewart's billing problems started, he says. The clinic sent him to an out-of-network hospital, because it had the first available bed, despite the fact that his in-network hospital was only a block away. "At no time was I ever asked or given any choice in what hospital the ambulance was taking me to," he says. By that time he was nearly dead from blood loss, so surgery to close up six different hemorrhaged varices had to be started immediately.

His claim list shows 13 separate charges on this date with a sticker price totaling $73,859.36, of which his insurance covered $9,695.87, leaving him with a bill of $46,020.36 (reduced somewhat by negotiation between the insurance company and the hospital).

...

But wait, you might be thinking. Doesn't ObamaCare have out-of-pocket limits that would prevent this sort of thing?

It does indeed. But there are numerous loopholes that medical providers can and do take advantage of.

...

But because transplants are largely restricted to people whose livers are closer to failure, Stewart will have to wait until his liver has degraded quite a lot more — to a point where the ascites and encephalopathy will have probably reduced him to a near-vegetable state — before he can qualify for a transplant. And there's no chance at all if he can't get insured.

Before he can get to that point, he must manage his dying liver with complex and expensive care, managed by a liver specialist. If he cannot get access to one, "I will be dead within a year," he says.

...

The fact that ObamaCare — a reasonably good-faith effort to make the system better — did not stop the vicious cruelty of medical billing, and in many ways only added to the system's psychotic complexity, ought to weigh on us all.

You really should read the whole thing. The only solution is single-payer.

 

[JadedWriter]

Just rename it Eaglecare, you idiots.

They'll probably write the legislation for it in eagles blood.

 

[Toxi]

The only solution is single-payer.

Good luck with that.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

woah there! too much sarcasm!

I 100% guarantee you this pivot is going to be used come midterms if shit ends up hitting the fan

 

[rainking187]

Frankly the fact that they're even trying is more than I expected from them. I pretty much figured the replacement would be "Fuck you."

 

[Ogodei]

I mean, let's be clear here. Obamacare is fucking terrible, but not for the reasons the Republicans state. It's a blank check to private healthcare providers who have no obligation to provide access to adequate care, so you have people paying for plans with $5000 premiums - which in layman's terms means until you rack up five grand in medical bills, you're on your own. And with half of America having less than a thousand dollars in their pocket? You're still seeing medical emergencies as the number one reason for bankruptcy.

All the while, as we've learned from the premiums skyrocketing by 20% right before the election, and combined shitshow of the Schkreli and Epipen nightmares, there's nothing standing in the way of live saving medicine having their prices jacked up beyond belief so that CEOs can give themselves a raise. The fact that any liberal supports this shit is absolutely criminal and goes to show how far right the Republicans have dragged this country.

Obamacare is divisive, wonkish, means-tested bullshit that gives free reign to fuck the poor of the country over when it comes to accessing life-saving medical care, and let the wealthy right themselves fatter and fatter paychecks as they jack up the price of basic necessities like the epi-pen, a life-saving application developed from government funded research mind you, by hundreds of percent.

It's an absolute failure of a program. Health insurance is not the same as health care.

A $5000 bankruptcy is a hell of a lot easier to come back from than a $200,000 bankruptcy.

I agree it's shitty, but it made things orders of magnitude less shitty for the truly unfortunate.

 

[Drifters]

Good, hopefully some good comes from critical thinking about this and not populist ridiculous crap

 

[Mortemis]

I've got a plan.

Deny every living human medical care unless they or an immediate family member earn over 250k a year.

But that's cruel. So instead make it so that if you earn less than that you simply can get medical care but you must work in a Federal Labor Camp for 7 dollars an hour until you pay off the cost of the procedure. Housing and food costs will be taken out of your wage naturally.

Hmm... no not quite right.

Instead of a Federal Labor Camp you'll have to take chances working for anyone willing to hire you. For any amount they deem suitable.

Perfect!

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[cdyhybrid]

A $5000 bankruptcy is a hell of a lot easier to come back from than a $200,000 bankruptcy.

I agree it's shitty, but it made things orders of magnitude less shitty for the truly unfortunate.

No, things have to be perfect or else everyone can go to hell.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Also if you haven't watched HBO's Oz it is absolutely worth a watch for say seaon 1-4 some absolutely fantastic writing and an amazing examination of many facets of the dark side of humanity.

Themes of addiction, depression, suicide, racial hatred and more are so well presented with a really great cast.

Has a really great atmosphere and has aged quite well and delivers an ambience of getting sucked down and laid low.

Too bad it went to shit when Adabesi got shanked.

 

[CrocMother]

Also if you haven't watched HBO's Oz it is absolutely worth a watch for say seaon 1-4 some absolutely fantastic writing and an amazing examination of many facets of the dark side of humanity.

Themes of addiction, depression, suicide, racial hatred and more are so well presented with a really great cast.

Has a really great atmosphere and has aged quite well and delivers an ambience of getting sucked down and laid low.

Too bad it went to shit when Adabesi got shanked.

Obamacare spoilers?

 

[Wallach]

Good, hopefully some good comes from critical thinking about this and not populist ridiculous crap

*cue laugh track*

 

[Wall]

They are just going to rename it "Trumpcare"', aren't they.

"See, we changed it. Totally different!"

 

[LegendofJoe]

The only solution is single-payer.

Agreed, but how are we realistically going to get there politically and how long will it take?

 

[jayu26]

Insurers are also concerned about signs that the Trump administration may not enforce the so-called individual mandate, which requires people to have insurance or face a tax penalty.

What the fuck!? How is this capitalism? What if you are poor and can't afford an insurance?

 

[akira28]

Republicans have no fucking idea what they're doing.

They're useful if what you need is bottomless anger, stamina, and consistent focus. If what you need is compassion, intelligence, or nuance, Republicans are not only useless, they're dangerous.

 

[rjinaz]

What the fuck!? How is this capitalism? What if you are poor and can't afford an insurance?

It's says Trump is thinking about NOT enforcing that.

Unfortunately, any kind of system is only going to work if everybody is on it.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

What the fuck!? How is this capitalism? What if you are poor and can't afford an insurance?

The poor qualify for Medicaid (in states where Republicans aren't being assholes for no reason).

The individual mandate insurance method is the standard in many nations in Europe.

 

[Avixph]

Also if you haven't watched HBO's Oz it is absolutely worth a watch for say seaon 1-4 some absolutely fantastic writing and an amazing examination of many facets of the dark side of humanity.

Themes of addiction, depression, suicide, racial hatred and more are so well presented with a really great cast.

Has a really great atmosphere and has aged quite well and delivers an ambience of getting sucked down and laid low.

Too bad it went to shit when Adabesi got shanked.

What?

 

[LegendofJoe]

What the fuck!? How is this capitalism? What if you are poor and can't afford an insurance?

Under the ideal Republican plan you die. Rand Paul wants to remove the mandate and no longer force Hospital ER facilities to treat everyone (regardless if they're able to pay or not). The free market plan basically, if you can't pay you dont get service.

 

[JP_]

GOP incompetence would make them unelectable of people weren't so dumb and racist.