Aztechnology
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It's actually already collapsed. The Liberal media is just covering it up.
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Obamacare repeal officially dead , Trump rage on twitter [POLITICO]
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It's actually already collapsed. The Liberal media is just covering it up.
Obamacare repeal failed for 1 simple reason. Obamacare worked for the people using it for the most part.
There were No Death Panels, rationing of care etc. Republican Sabotage ensured it would fall apart as time passed but if Republicans wanted to repeal it they needed to do it within a year or two of it being introduced so people would not have the time to realize its benefit.
Of course a simpler idea is they never wanted to repeal it anyways. Back to the Two Santa Theory. Put the time bomb into the bill and let it tick away until Democrats are forced to "correct" and are the Grinch taking away. I mean even now the idea behind the direct repeal and fix later is put it off to like 2020.
There were No Death Panels, rationing of care etc. Republican Sabotage ensured it would fall apart as time passed but if Republicans wanted to repeal it they needed to do it within a year or two of it being introduced so people would not have the time to realize its benefit.
Of course a simpler idea is they never wanted to repeal it anyways. Back to the Two Santa Theory. Put the time bomb into the bill and let it tick away until Democrats are forced to "correct" and are the Grinch taking away. I mean even now the idea behind the direct repeal and fix later is put it off to like 2020.
ok, that got me
To be fair, it is literally impossible to make a bill that is both more right wing than Obamacare and better than it.
Aaron Strife
Banned
If these were the people they were trying to convince, then it was doomed to fail.
And this is why electing some know-nothing outsider like Trump is a terrible idea if you want anything to actually happen for four years. Obama, Pelosi and Reid get nowhere near the amount of credit for passing the Affordable Care Act. They just made it look too easy.
If they don't lose too many House members, they will probably try again in 2019.
Yoshimitsu126
Member
Finally thank goodness.
I wrote a big piece about how disheartened I was seeing all the time and effort and anguish that is being invested into doing nothing and having other people tell me I should celebrate because these folks haven't actively harmed me as much as they wanted to. It's better not to post stuff like that, but, man... as a citizen it's hard not to feel completely helpless.
Try a few weeks. This isn't over folks
Electric Eye
Banned
I'm amazed how he still doesn't get that it was bullshit all along. He's so deep in the cool aid he's drowned on it.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Yeah, that's what I thought. Don't sit back, guys.
Bigboss242
Banned
They will be back what was this the third time this has failed.
the_sun_king
Member
Came here to see if someone had posted this. Thank you.
Yep. It'll never be over until they're out of the majority because their number one priority is tax cuts for the wealthy and this is a large part of it.
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Transhuman
Unconfirmed Member
There are plenty of other ways they can give rich people tax cuts.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Yeah, it's passed before but only because they knew Obama would just veto it. Not convinced at all it passes this time.
It'll be fun to see them worm their way through explaining why they'd vote Yes in 2015 and No in 2017.
Loss
As in "hold the L(oss)" I believe
I think it is very unlikely that they pass that same bill now.
I'm still amazed at how little shit they've gotten passed.
And they're going to try and do all of them!
Really though this push was a very public push because Donald wanted his "win" but there's nothing stopping them from working on this shit in the background and resurfacing later. And there's really no telling what kind of political reality may await us in the future, perhaps something happens in the health market that makes an attempt, any attempt, more attractive to more voters.
Basically.
The biggest problem with their efforts to repeal/replace Obamacare is that 9/10 people on earth don't believe they're repealing Obamacare (because it's bad) and replacing it with a better option.
Most politicans cutting entitlements can point to balancing the budget or shifting the money into other government programs. Trump and the Republicans have done such an abysmal job trying to market and push this legislation through that everyone knows they're killing poor and rural people for tax cuts.
They can try it. But the fundamental problem is that no one believes that they repealing Obamacare because it's bad. Everyone and their dog knows it's for rich people tax cuts as the bill has sub-20% approval with the public.
Who the fuck wants to own tens of millions of people losing their health coverage, others having to pay more, and inevitable stories of scores dying because of it every month - for what, $100k from some health insurance lobbies for their next campaign? Even the crooked, dumb-as-shit Republicans aren't eager to take that deal.
They never had a plan to replace it, they damn sure were never going to improve it. But now it's go time and they're realizing that even their notoriously stupid and uninformed GOP voters aren't quite that stupid.
On an unrelated note, they're going to get away with dashing Net Neutrality because GOP voters are too stupid to grasp not only the nuances of the subject, but the basic premise. But it will hurt them in a few years when the cable companies do the inevitable and fuck over everyone.
They never had a plan to replace it, they damn sure were never going to improve it. But now it's go time and they're realizing that even their notoriously stupid and uninformed GOP voters aren't quite that stupid.
On an unrelated note, they're going to get away with dashing Net Neutrality because GOP voters are too stupid to grasp not only the nuances of the subject, but the basic premise. But it will hurt them in a few years when the cable companies do the inevitable and fuck over everyone.
Trump would happily sign any Obamacare repeal bill. Just so he could get a win over Obama.
He either doesn't know or doesn't care that he would be personally blamed for tens of millions of people losing health coverage.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Lol
I'm pretty sure at this point they are ready to move into tax reform. They aren't going to tackle healthcare and that at the same time
brianjones
Member
Gonna get my teeth cleaned via medi cal in celebration
Godzilla's Left Toe
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Smiles and Cries
Member
Trump is not real a Republican, I doubt any party could trust this guy to stay loyal.
Trump would throw the entire party under the bus with no hesitation if he believed it would benefit him.
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thepotatoman
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God damn. That really does make it official, doesn't it?
Trump does seem kinda right here. I don't know if weak is the word, but they do look caught with their pants down for not doing anything about obamacare after it being their primary issue the last 7 years now.
Of course, passing it would put them in an even worse spot politically.
Lonewulfeus
Member
This, I would be absolutely devestating but may be the impetus the American people need to push for nationalized health care for all. You can't just take away an "entitlement" and get away with it. At least not historically, I guess we may soon find out if that still applies.
Fixed.
True. I think he will throw Trump Jr under the bus if it comes down to it.
Trump is right here, but the sad thing is you have to ask yourself if he's making the observation or if really is asking because he really doesn't get why they can't do it lol
old manatee
Banned
the lamest duck
They didn't think that they would have to do anything. They knew Obama would never sign any of their bills and they thought they would get another at least four years of that with Hillary. Trump screwed them over by winning.
That looked stupid as fuck then. I remember thinking why the hell are the celebrating, they are only 1/3 of the way there and the Senate will be much harder.
That's how folks think about politics. We're doing it in this thread. "Hold that L, opposing political party!" All while we celebrate nothing happening and consider this to be the best case scenario. Maybe it is, but it's hard to feel celebratory about this shitty situation.
It's funny-- our government has been like this for years and years, but only now that I'm an adult do I really understand how fucked everything is.
Palette Swap
Member
These people can't govern for shit, it's baffling.
Speaking of failures. 😂
The only problem Republicans/conservatives/bigots have with Obamacare is the Obama part, the bad parts were due to Republican meddling. They could have simply renamed it, and put in place what they chipped away. Bigly win right there.
Then people literally wouldn't be dying, and it would have a better score than Obama care.
But these fuckwitts are so stupid that they are literally trying to kill millions of people instead because of reasons, and they are coming up with this "plan" on the fly. As they had no plan and are a bunch of fucking morons that perfectly represent the morons they represent. That bit is poetic.
Then people literally wouldn't be dying, and it would have a better score than Obama care.
But these fuckwitts are so stupid that they are literally trying to kill millions of people instead because of reasons, and they are coming up with this "plan" on the fly. As they had no plan and are a bunch of fucking morons that perfectly represent the morons they represent. That bit is poetic.