"OCCUPY WALL STREET"

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Heard about it and am curious about the quality of hippie chick this will attract.
jon bones said:
Apparently on 09/17 "20,000 people flood into lower Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months." They're doing this to spread their "one message" (TBD, apparently) and get back at all those evil bankers (who are in midtown, btw) who took their jerbs.
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Well, that's probably because they're looking to get some world wide attention and Wall Street is a lot more recognizable.
 
I don't think this will end up in a riot.

If wiki is to be trusted, the last major riot in NYC happened in Crown Heights over an accidental killing, between two communities that didn't get along. And that was in 1991.
 
dave is ok said:
Surprised at how many people are against this.

Americans sure love the bourgeoisie
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Word. It's amazing to watch, although you've got to consider the audience that is NeoGAF. We're all wealthy enough to be sitting at computers at a forum primarily dedicated to video games . . . that's going to limit the posting population largely.
But yes, it's disturbing. Like the poor working class voting for Republicans.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
What was the last major leftist protest that didn't end up with the Black Bloc fucking things up for everyone? 2003? 04?
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Madison, WI 2011? And what the hell is the Black Bloc?
 
Patryn said:
Won't the publicity allow the NYPD to deploy additional officers ahead of time, who will break up any large gathering before it gains critical mass?
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A lot of cops will already be in the area next week is the ten year anniversary of 9/11.
 
demon said:
Madison, WI 2011? And what the hell is the Black Bloc?
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Oh yeah, good point.

Black Bloc are the anarchists that usually throw shit at McDonald's and muddle up any real message a protest would have.
 
This may not be the most effective idea in the world, but it's something. At least it's doing instead of sitting at home, spouting off on the internet in the safety and comfort of your peers. Fuck, the OT is crammed wall to wall with your opinions on how the world should be behaving and who are the evil people and how you're so enlightened compared to all those other dummies, yet I bet far too many of you turn into meek, random little nothings the second you step away from your keyboards.
 
El Sloth said:
Heard about it and am curious about the quality of hippie chick this will attract..
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indeed. hot slutty hippie chicks may be the only redeeming thing about this. may be a good opportunity to get laid for some people

Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Oh okay my mistake. Yeah last thing I want to have to deal with is rioting in Manhattan.
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yeah man, thatd be a complete nightmare. hopefully nothing crazy happens and instead the mta and the local halal cart dudes make a killing at the end of the day
 
Oh, this made me think of "The Inside Job", watched it last week and I actually hoped that it'd be good; but naah, it was just another american "documentary".
 
There's probably less than a 10% chance of there being anything resembling major rioting. I mean, this thing is being organized by, like, petit-bourgeois and college students. These people don't like being in trouble, they just want to show they care and try to create an environment for change.

You guys should be more supportive.

brucewaynegretzky said:
Dear New York,

At least you're getting hippies. 10,000 of them take up WAY less space than 10,000 fat rednecks. You have my sympathies though.

Love,
DC

(Seriously, Glenn Beck Fest sucked.)
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The tea party ralliers I saw were indeed pretty gross.
 
Dear New York,

At least you're getting hippies. 10,000 of them take up WAY less space than 10,000 fat rednecks. You have my sympathies though.

Love,
DC

(Seriously, Glenn Beck Fest sucked.)
 
VALIS said:
This may not be the most effective idea in the world, but it's something. At least it's doing instead of sitting at home, spouting off on the internet in the safety and comfort of your peers. Fuck, the OT is crammed wall to wall with your opinions on how the world should be behaving and who are the evil people and how you're so enlightened compared to all those other dummies, yet I bet 98% of you turn into meek, random little nothings the second you step away from your keyboards.
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It won't be effective.

At all.

If anything, it will drive people away from the current message, which is certain people in Wall Street should be held accountable for the financial crisis.

If you want an example of a movement that did surprisingly well, look at the Tea Party. Hate their politics all you want, but shit, they got things done. They organized effective rallies, voting blocs, financial donation schemes, and were able to oust established Republicans from power through primaries, who were then elected because they were in Republican areas. Granted, they had help, but still, worked exceedingly well.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
It won't be effective.

At all.

If anything, it will drive people away from the current message, which is certain people in Wall Street should be held accountable for the financial crisis.

If you want an example of a movement that did surprisingly well, look at the Tea Party. Hate their politics all you want, but shit, they got things done. They organized effective rallies, voting blocs, financial donation schemes, and were able to oust established Republicans from power through primaries. Granted, they had help, but still, worked exceedingly well.
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Well said my good man .
 
ConfusingJazz said:
It won't be effective.

At all.

If anything, it will drive people away from the current message, which is certain people in Wall Street should be held accountable for the financial crisis.

If you want an example of a movement that did surprisingly well, look at the Tea Party. Hate their politics all you want, but shit, they got things done. They organized effective rallies, voting blocs, financial donation schemes, and were able to oust established Republicans from power through primaries, who were then elected because they were in Republican areas. Granted, they had help, but still, worked exceedingly well.
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Agreed.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
It won't be effective.

At all.

If anything, it will drive people away from the current message, which is certain people in Wall Street should be held accountable for the financial crisis.

If you want an example of a movement that did surprisingly well, look at the Tea Party. Hate their politics all you want, but shit, they got things done. They organized effective rallies, voting blocs, financial donation schemes, and were able to oust established Republicans from power through primaries, who were then elected because they were in Republican areas. Granted, they had help, but still, worked exceedingly well.
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I completely agree about the Tea Party.

However, at least this is something, perhaps a step towards even better and more effective mobilization in the future, rather than what us liberals usually do these days, which is sit around and talk about it and wring our hands.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
It won't be effective.

At all.

If anything, it will drive people away from the current message, which is certain people in Wall Street should be held accountable for the financial crisis.

If you want an example of a movement that did surprisingly well, look at the Tea Party. Hate their politics all you want, but shit, they got things done. They organized effective rallies, voting blocs, financial donation schemes, and were able to oust established Republicans from power through primaries, who were then elected because they were in Republican areas. Granted, they had help, but still, worked exceedingly well.
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So liberals shouldn't bother doing anything like this? What's potentially less effective about this than a tea party rally? Liberals don't have the same kind of outrage to build on as the tea party did. They don't have the radio personalities. It isn't worth comparing these things like that at this stage.

But people need to do something. The resignation isn't helpful.
 
Honestly, even if some assholes show up and break windows the first words on every news broadcast will be "Wall Street protests turns ugly" or something, which is good as far as I'm concerned.
 
Might help sell some more copies of Atlas Shrugged to the poor investment bankers feeling pressured by the crowds.


dave is ok said:
Honestly, even if some assholes show up and break windows the first words on every news broadcast will be "Wall Street protests turns ugly" or something, which is good as far as I'm concerned.
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Nnnnn'oh god the Fox News spin is going to be sogood.
 
effingvic said:
yeah man, thatd be a complete nightmare. hopefully nothing crazy happens and instead the mta and the local halal cart dudes make a killing at the end of the day
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Ha ha, I didn't even think about that. They could really turn this into a very profitable situation.
Halycon said:
I don't think this will end up in a riot.
If wiki is to be trusted, the last major riot in NYC happened in Crown Heights over an accidental killing, between two communities that didn't get along. And that was in 1991.
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Wasn't there movie about the riots too? Or was it a documentary?
 
xbhaskarx said:
They have a discreet charm.



Self loathing is unhealthy.
also the preferred term is UHB
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It's funny that only bourgeois/petit-bourgeois film student types would understand these references without the links. :lol

Both movies are hilarious though.

edit: nm, the first one didn't link to what I thought it would, so they still wouldn't get that one even with the link. :lol
 
dave is ok said:
Honestly, even if some assholes show up and break windows the first words on every news broadcast will be "Wall Street protests turns ugly" or something, which is good as far as I'm concerned.
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Yes because violence and destruction of property is a good thing. You know the idiots who do that will mostly wind up smashing crap not owned by Wall Street, but regular people.
 
BobsRevenge said:
So liberals shouldn't bother doing anything like this? What's potentially less effective about this than a tea party rally? Liberals don't have the same kind of outrage to build on as the tea party did. They don't have the radio personalities. It isn't worth comparing these things like that.

But people need to do something. The resignation isn't helpful.
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They did do something, it was the Obama campaign. That shit was a monster, and the foundations were copped and used during the early days of the Tea Party. I think most of the left was exhausted and a bit disappointed once they got into power that it wasn't a magical change. They weren't patient, and are now a bit disillusioned really fucking quickly, which is a historical trend. Presidents usually have a terrible first mid term, and the only exceptions in the last 100 years were Roosevelt and W. Bush.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
It won't be effective.

At all.

If anything, it will drive people away from the current message, which is certain people in Wall Street should be held accountable for the financial crisis.

If you want an example of a movement that did surprisingly well, look at the Tea Party. Hate their politics all you want, but shit, they got things done. They organized effective rallies, voting blocs, financial donation schemes, and were able to oust established Republicans from power through primaries, who were then elected because they were in Republican areas. Granted, they had help, but still, worked exceedingly well.
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They had Fox News and AM Radio lunatics rallying behind them as if they were the last chance to save the country.

There is no way a "leftist" front could ever get that kind of support.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Yes because violence and destruction of property is a good thing. You know the idiots who do that will mostly wind up smashing crap not owned by Wall Street, but regular people.
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Never said it was a good thing

Funky Papa said:
They had Fox News and AM Radio lunatics rallying behind them as if they were the last chance to save the country.

There is no way a "leftist" front could ever get that kind of support.
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The other side has the money behind it, but the left has the youth - if they'd only get up and do something for once. That is why I support demonstrations like this
 
ConfusingJazz said:
They did do something, it was the Obama campaign. That shit was a monster, and the foundations were copped and used during the early days of the Tea Party. I think most of the left was exhausted and a bit disappointed once they got into power that it wasn't a magical change. They weren't patient, and are now a bit disillusioned really fucking quickly, which is a historical trend. Presidents usually have a terrible first mid term, and the only exceptions in the last 100 years were Roosevelt and W. Bush.
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Liberals will be forced to rally around Obama again no matter how much they dislike it, for whatever that's worth.

What they need to do is show that they are willing to show their strength, and I see this sort of thing as a definite step in a positive direction.

Liberals needed to be disillusioned. Obama isn't a horrible president, but he isn't as liberal as much of his base wants or expected, so they need to do things to make more liberal positions attractive and turn the tables in congress.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
You said "which is good as far as I'm concerned"
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I was talking about the news coverage that comes along with it. I even called the people 'assholes' in that same post
 
Funky Papa said:
They had Fox News and AM Radio lunatics rallying behind them as if they were the last chance to save the country.

There is no way a "leftist" front could ever get that kind of support.
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And Obama was able to do it without Fox News.
 
Adbusters lost me when they used a speech from Osama bin Laden to make a point about global warming.

Or something.
 
jon bones said:
[but I can't help but feel that all this does is hamper normal folk from going to work without ever actually doing anything to the people who actually are in charge of the banks (the "bad guys"). Also it's gonna take forever to get a sandwich made at the shop downstairs now.
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This is whats wrong with america.

Protest massive fraud, theft and injustice?

Ew, what a hassle.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
And Obama was able to do it without Fox News.
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I don't think we are in the same wavelenght.

I'm talking about the possibility of real change steming from the people, not about a situation like the one seen during Obama's campaign, an incredibly well organised political act that began injecting tons of money and with support from one of the members of the American duopoly. During an ellection. When the volume of pretty much everything gets cranked up to 11.
 
Guys, using the Tea Party "movement" as an example of anything is not really realistic; they are funded by large corporations, think tanks, global media conglomerates and political groups affiliated directly with the Republican party.

There is no non-corporate analog of this movement, and the closest thing on the other side (Moveon.org, maybe?) has no media conglomerate willing to leverage its power to drive its narrative.


As for this 20k people thing...I hope it works - and I hope the cops don't fuck it up. We need SOME kind of something going on.
 
jamesinclair said:
This is whats wrong with america.

Protest massive fraud, theft and injustice?

Ew, what a hassle.
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Protest? It seems more like a bunch of dumb anarchists and leftists who want to squat a.d potentially riot. Yeah, great way to change the world.
 
dave is ok said:
Honestly, even if some assholes show up and break windows the first words on every news broadcast will be "Wall Street protests turns ugly" or something, which is good as far as I'm concerned.
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the guy downstairs Joe runs a deli and you want people to break his windows? down the street there is a language school for kids and a mom and pop florist.

you either have no concept of what the actual street Wall Street is like or you're straight up dumb
 
So they are upset at the poor economy specifically the lack of jobs, yet they are going to do this to disrupt other people from getting to their jobs?
 
jon bones said:
the guy downstairs Joe runs a deli and you want people to break his windows? down the street there is a language school for kids and a mom and pop florist.

you either have no concept of what the actual street Wall Street is like or you're straight up dumb
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This. They'll attack those who can't defend themselves, they're not going to attack the Federal Reserve.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Protest? It seems more like a bunch of dumb anarchists and leftists who want to squat a.d potentially riot. Yeah, great way to change the world.
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Because sitting at home and bending voer is so much more effective.
 
No riots.

Just occupy the space.

The message that is being attempted needs to be conveyed, and continuously...but nobody except the greedy bankers (and their affiliates) need to be the receipients of that message.
 
What if it's really the evil bankers that are camping out on Wall Street, running their evil schemes from inside of a tent...
 
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