"OCCUPY WALL STREET"

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jon bones said:
the guy downstairs Joe runs a deli and you want people to break his windows? down the street there is a language school for kids and a mom and pop florist.

you either have no concept of what the actual street Wall Street is like or you're straight up dumb
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Yeah, those investment firms, insurance giants and banks didn't tank the U.S. economy three years ago. And plenty of regulations have been passed since then to make sure it doesn't happen again. You're right.
 
dave is ok said:
Yeah, those investment firms, insurance giants and banks didn't tank the U.S. economy three years ago. And plenty of regulations have been passed since then to make sure it doesn't happen again. You're right.
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I don't think you read his post.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
I don't think you read his post.
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Wall Street is a symbol. Just like the bull statue in the flyer. Sucks for the people that work there that 20,000 hippies are descending upon them - but I'm sure Joe will sell plenty of sandwiches to them and have a pretty good week off of it
 
dave is ok said:
Wall Street is a symbol. Just like the bull statue in the flyer. Sucks for the people that work there that 20,000 hippies are descending upon them - but I'm sure Joe will sell plenty of sandwiches to them and have a pretty good week off of it
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Yeah I'm sure there going to be a huge boon to the local economy.
 
I'm always amazed by the ability of fucftards to consider occupying spaces a "peaceful" form of protest. Short of actual violence, it is certainly the most disruptive. It just fucks everyone off and makes them less likely to go with your cause.
 
captmcblack said:
Guys, using the Tea Party "movement" as an example of anything is not really realistic; they are funded by large corporations, think tanks, global media conglomerates and political groups affiliated directly with the Republican party.

There is no non-corporate analog of this movement, and the closest thing on the other side (Moveon.org, maybe?) has no media conglomerate willing to leverage its power to drive its narrative.


As for this 20k people thing...I hope it works - and I hope the cops don't fuck it up. We need SOME kind of something going on.
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Yea, I don't understand the calls to follow the tea party's example. The tea party is not a grass roots movement like they want people to believe. It was an effort to rebrand the republican party after it became associated with the economic collapse and a way to mobilize its disenchanted base. And it was also funded by a lot of rich and powerful people and corporate interests.
 
The Tea Party is the political equivalent of Comcast ---------> Xfinity or Windows Vista -----> Windows 7 (except for the part where Win 7 is excellent, whereas the Tea Party is worse than the group it's rebranding).
 
Suairyu said:
I'm always amazed by the ability of fucftards to consider occupying spaces a "peaceful" form of protest. Short of actual violence, it is certainly the most disruptive. It just fucks everyone off and makes them less likely to go with your cause.
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Man, if you need ANY motivation or reason to go with this cause in addition to what's already out there, you are the "fucftard" I'm afraid. The cause is the mass corruption of the banking system and money system within the US, and it absolutely affects you and should have you outraged. Our politicians have done fuckall to prevent and punish the ultra-corrupt behavior we have seen on Wall St in the last decade (really since Reagan, I guess), and they won't. They are one and the same. So, yeah, why the hell shouldn't the people who are PAYING these bankers (bailouts anyone?), i.e. US citizens, get into action? Show some outrage? Let the bankers know it's not ok? Cause a little chaos?
Jesus, it's amazing that this isn't a one sided discussion. After the shenanigans that the Wall St guys pulled recently, you'd think any damn tax payer would be all about this. But, no, you're right, keep arguing for the abuse of the system, the criminal spending of tax dollars, and the laziness that you cherish so fucking much. Yeesh.
 
enjoy your empty gestures, poor people. About time I got back to smoking endangered rainforest plants and eating panda steaks, both of which are fulfilling gestures that further my goals of telling myself that I have money.
 
People criticising this event (which does rub me the wrong way, BTW) should start listing other ways to pressure the political stablishment into changing the system.

We either reject this bizarre form of neo-feudalism or we become serfs for the rest of our lives.
 
Consider the side effects and collateral damage a political protest may have on people just trying to live their daily life.

Get called out as Wall St. sympathizers.
 
captmcblack said:
The Tea Party is the political equivalent of Comcast ---------> Xfinity or Windows Vista -----> Windows 7 (except for the part where Win 7 is excellent, whereas the Tea Party is worse than the group it's rebranding).
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Wait...what group is it rebranding?

I thought they were separate from the republican party.
 
Suairyu said:
I'm always amazed by the ability of fucftards to consider occupying spaces a "peaceful" form of protest. Short of actual violence, it is certainly the most disruptive. It just fucks everyone off and makes them less likely to go with your cause.
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In order for the American people to get real change, they need to take to the streets and do exactly this kind of protesting. Every major social change was preceded by this kind of action.
 
Heh, Adbusters... I remember having to go to their site for an art class assignment last semester. Guess this shows my professor was a pinko anarcho-communist revolutionary :-P
Anyway, I'd go if they have one at the Federal Reserve in DC.
 
Finally, glad to see a sign that the left isn't dead in America. I don't expect much, certainly not a Tahrir, but a spark for a leftist movement, a counterweight to the Tea Party is desperately needed. Everyone already operating on the assumption this will be another vancouver or uk when the call is for an occupation not a riot are just sad. Who cares if it doesn't have corporate money or media backing, or they'll be labeled loons, its a start. Something always has to start somewhere and I hope this is it.
 
Milabrega said:
Finally, glad to see a sign that the left isn't dead in America. I don't expect much, certainly not a Tahrir, but a spark for a leftist movement, a counterweight to the Tea Party is desperately needed.
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smh. I'm sorry but the overthrow of the American government is not a good idea and even the idea that it somehow compares to the Mubarak regime and/or what protesters there faced and wanted changed is hilarious.

Milabrega said:
Everyone already operating on the assumption this will be another vancouver or uk when the call is for an occupation not a riot are just sad.
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You mean squatting in the heart of one of the biggest cities, yeah I'm sure that will have no potential for ill effects.

Milabrega said:
Who cares if it doesn't have corporate money or media backing, or they'll be labeled loons, its a start. Something always has to start somewhere and I hope this is it.
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Because when an idea is associated with a bunch or idiots/attention whores/squatters/black bloc it tends to kill the message because of who it's associated with.
 
When a couple hundred kids learn the important lesson of not getting in the way of New Yorkers' morning commutes...

I think I may head down there in a NYPD riot uniform with a baton in hand- just to get some easy hippy bashing in. I'll be the one holding up a bloodied Guy Fawkes mask screaming "Are you not entertained?!"
 
This seems like one of those memes

BITCH ABOUT PEOPLE NOT BEING ENGAGED IN POLITICS

COMPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE CALL FOR MASS ENGAGEMENT IN POLITICS

Seriously, it should be applauded that people are trying to stage mass protests against Wall Street. Voting alone just isn't enough to enact change, you need to apply constant pressure to the people in charge.
 
I'm rooting for the crowd here. I hope it lasts days and becomes a big deal. Weeks even. I was so damn jelly when the UK had all those riots. I hope we get some here soon.

NIMBY though...
 
I hope to one day be a stealth-bragger ITT when I too work on Wall St. :)

For those who already do, just install death-rims on your Porsches and grind up some poor. Take pics with your $2000 DSLR you don't know how to work and post when you get into the office plz thx.
 
Democrat, Republican, Libertarian or whatever the hell you are, can't we all agree that it'd make us all feel just a little better to see some top bankers hung in the public square?

Search your hearts. You know it to be true.

Whenever I get into political debates this is always common ground.
 
KingK said:
This seems like one of those memes

BITCH ABOUT PEOPLE NOT BEING ENGAGED IN POLITICS

COMPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE CALL FOR MASS ENGAGEMENT IN POLITICS

Seriously, it should be applauded that people are trying to stage mass protests against Wall Street. Voting alone just isn't enough to enact change, you need to apply constant pressure to the people in charge.
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There's a difference between being engaged and acting like a jackass. People should be doing more to get educated than defaulting to knee jerk reactions.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
smh. I'm sorry but the overthrow of the American government is not a good idea and even the idea that it somehow compares to the Mubarak regime and/or what protesters there faced and wanted changed is hilarious..
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A.) These people have no chance of "overthrowing the American government"

B.) People lost houses, jobs, livelihoods. Maybe it hasn't been decades like Mubarak, but don't downplay the mess these people created.
 
NullPointer said:
Democrat, Republican, Libertarian or whatever the hell you are, can't we all agree that it'd make us all feel just a little better to see some top bankers hung in the public square?

Search your hearts. You know it to be true.

Whenever I get into political debates this is always common ground.
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Yeah, let's blame it all on a few individuals and kill them when many more are culpable.
 
I'd wager being in the way is the point. You guys working down in the area will not lose your jobs or livelihood. You'll be okay.
 
NullPointer said:
Well its a fine start.
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Maybe we could address the issue without angry mobs and murder?

I know, I know.

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The financial industry is a greater enemy to the people of America than al Qaeda could ever dream of being. It must be weakened, period. Violence would be a bad strategy even though bankers are parasites that probably deserve death, as it would make the protestors look less reasonable to the general public. But I wouldn't be surprised if the police deploy agents provocateur.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
Christ, take some notes from the Tea Party, at least they actually got people elected.
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Already happened. People were shouting at tea bagger Reps all through their summer break (the ones who held town halls and public meetings, at least). Didn't get a damn bit of media coverage, unlike the handful of Tea Baggers who got wall-to-wall media coverage by doing the exact same thing (except without the benefit of facts and reality on their side) about 2 years prior. that's what happens though, when you have a right wing propaganda outlet calling itself news and a bunch of other networks obsessed with "balance".

So... Its clearly time to try something different. I like this idea. I hope it spreads into something huge. Sooner or later, it's all going to burst one way or another.
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
There's a difference between being engaged and acting like a jackass. People should be doing more to get educated than defaulting to knee jerk reactions.
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So staging a peaceful protest in the symbolic heart of the institutions responsible for our economic collapse, political corruption, and income disparity is "acting like a jackass?"

If they end up rioting, breaking shit, stealing, etc., then I'll obviously disapprove and call them jackasses, but I don't understand how staging a mass protest against Wall Street is considered being a jackass by anyone. Even if it disrupts peoples' commutes, I'm sure that annoyance is negligible compared to the effects of doing nothing and letting Wall Street and the current system continue to fuck over the working class.
 
KingK said:
This seems like one of those memes

BITCH ABOUT PEOPLE NOT BEING ENGAGED IN POLITICS

COMPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE CALL FOR MASS ENGAGEMENT IN POLITICS

Seriously, it should be applauded that people are trying to stage mass protests against Wall Street. Voting alone just isn't enough to enact change, you need to apply constant pressure to the people in charge.
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I don't think you understand: there were people in Jon Bones' way. He's very important.
 
Orayn said:
Maybe we could address the issue without angry mobs and murder?
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Sure, OK, be all rational and sensible.

But every once in a while its good for the peasantry to burn some stuff down (preferably not their own stuff) and maybe tar and feather a few upstanding citizens. Reduces stress and fights heart disease.

The fact is that untouchable smug bitches that own our political system have drained the public treasury dry while trickling down all of the negative consequences on the rest of us. If they don't want to be hung in the public square for our amusement they should start acting in the interests of the general welfare for once in their pampered lives.

Edit: Although I will admit that peaceful protest that gets int the face and annoys the hell out of Wall Street is also just fine in my book.
 
chaostrophy[B said:
]The financial industry is a greater enemy to the people of America than al Qaeda could ever dream of being.[/B] It must be weakened, period. Violence would be a bad strategy even though bankers are parasites that probably deserve death, as it would make the protestors look less reasonable to the general public. But I wouldn't be surprised if the police deploy agents provocateur.
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I dunno if they have people like you in the crowd I think the NYPD can hang back and let you do all that work.

KingK said:
So staging a peaceful protest in the symbolic heart of the institutions responsible for our economic collapse, political corruption, and income disparity is "acting like a jackass?"

If they end up rioting, breaking shit, stealing, etc., then I'll obviously disapprove and call them jackasses, but I don't understand how staging a mass protest against Wall Street is considered being a jackass by anyone.
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You do understand that there are surrounding businesses not owned by "Wall Street" around where a bunch of scumbag squatters are going to be trying to slum.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
I dunno if they have people like you in the crowd I think the NYPD can hang back and let you do all that work.
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Do you personally go out and try to hurt or kill anyone you think deserves it? I imagine not, otherwise you would be in prison and unable to post. Why would you think me, or any of these protesters, are any different?
 
I predict there will come a time when things get really ugly and many of the people calling this demonstrations "stupid" "useless" and blahblahblah will be in the streets doing the same because it will be the only thing to fucking do. Probably right-wing converted people will turn out to be the most violent too.
 
chaostrophy said:
Do you personally go out and try to hurt or kill anyone you think deserves it? I imagine not, otherwise you would be in prison and unable to post. Why would you think me, or any of these protesters, are any different?
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Because they are trying to squat, love wearing masks, and oh I dunno...
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
You do understand that there are surrounding businesses not owned by "Wall Street" around where a bunch of scumbag squatters are going to be trying to slum.
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Exactly!

I work at a fucking publishing company that resides in the heart of the district in one of the skyscrapers on Wall Street that these assholes are going to surround. I don't give two shits about your protest, I don't have anything to do with any of your financial problems, and I definitely don't deserve to wade through the shit infested streets for months every day when I want to go grab lunch. These assholes are just going to make it harder for the thousands of people working downtown to live their lives. They won't accomplish anything.
 
Houston3000 said:
Exactly!

I work at a fucking publishing company that resides in the heart of the district in one of the skyscrapers on Wall Street that these assholes are going to surround. I don't give two shits about your protest, I don't have anything to do with any of your financial problems, and I definitely don't deserve to wade through the shit infested streets for months every day when I want to go grab lunch. These assholes are just going to make it harder for the thousands of people working downtown to live their lives. They won't accomplish anything.
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Is there really any way for a civilian movement/protest to NOT affect the lives of the people around the area?
 
it'd be much more convenient if "Wall Street" and all the evil bankers just lived on an easily accessible island, wouldn't it..

we all live together in society. "wall street" is a symbol, people want to go protest what that symbol stands for. if you work in a coffee shop or a publishing house or something else next door, maybe things will suck for you. for a little while. but dealing with this kinda shit is part of living in society.
 
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