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October Wrasslin' |OT| I'm seein' double here...

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serenewarfare

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They also did a video coming out of intermission for a wrestler called Switchblade, who will be debuting soon. The belief is that it will be Sami Callihan. At one point the plan was for Callihan & Kota Ibushi to form a tag team in the heavyweight tag team tournament in November and December.
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Meh.
 
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Ibushi and Callihan doesn't do a huge amount for me either. I've been down on him in the past but I don't want to be negative out the gate. Could do well over there.

Last year Raw TV tapings averaged 8,250 per show, while Smackdown TV tapings averaged 4,500. House shows weren’t broken down into Raw and Smackdown but they averaged 4,175.
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So Raw TV tapings were down 3.4 percent and Smackdown TV tapings were up 13.3 percent. House shows were down 12.1 percent.
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On the future of LU. Seems dire.

The latest on the future is this. The owners are trying now to make a television deal away from El Rey. Essentially they are shopping the show around hoping that another station will pick it up and pay enough to produce the show at nearly the previous levels. The people who put the money in for the last two seasons are not putting anymore in because the show drove almost no revenue. As noted, El Rey will pay something for programming, but not nearly enough to produce the show at close to the level it as been done at. El Rey and Robert Rodriguez would maintain having an ownership stake if it moves to a new station. The obvious issue is what television station would want a show with a budget of $400,000 per episode that draws 100,000 to 175,000 viewers weekly over two airings, and more importantly, where viewership generally has been down this season and not up, and overall buzz is way down. According to one person close to most of the parties involved, there is a major divide among the management team. On one side, they want to shut the project down, arguing that the costs are too high and after three seasons they’ve never made any money. The feeling on that side is that you know where you stand, the audience isn’t growing, and anything more would be throwing good money after bad. Two key executives are of that belief. On the other side is Eric Van Wagenen, Dorian Roldan and Vampiro, who all believe in the project and feel it just needs time and better exposure to watch on. Alex Garcia and Antonio Cue-Navarro, who put up the money for the last two seasons, have refused to put more money into the project. Right now it appears that unless they can find new funding, or get a new TV station to pay the costs, the choice is to stay on El Rey for a heavily stripped down version or to close it down.
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So Meltzer was talking about Brock's contract stuff, but I think the most interesting bit is at the end there

So this is the story regarding his contract. Lesnar last dates for wrestling on his current deal would be the upcoming WrestleMania, or perhaps television the next day, but April. There is an option built into the contract that would renew, and most expect that it will be renewed, given that Lesnar will be 41 next summer and that’s simply not the age you sign a three-year contract and turn your back on WWE. And Lesnar’s programs with Goldberg, Joe and Strowman jump started the main event scene at two different times that ratings were in the toilet and things were kind of blah. WWE does have certain rights to Lesnar that, if a new deal isn’t signed, will go through the first week of August. The entire dynamic has changed in the sense the Jon Jones fight would have been so lucrative that Lesnar would have let his contract expire, signed with fight Jones, and then, after the fight, probably returned to WWE. But that fight is off, and unless Jones gets a one-year suspension out of all this, it will probably never happen. The feeling across the board right now is that Jones vs. Lesnar will never happen. If Lesnar does want to do another UFC fight, if they wait until August, that would be the cleanest way to do so in the sense WWE would have no rights to him. One thing is that Lesnar evidently felt the deal last year, where he wrestled through Mania and fought in early July, left him too little time to get into top shape. It worked out because he won, but he would rather have a four month window as far as getting back into that kind of shape before a training camp, so if he did want to fight next year and the opportunity came up, he really wouldn’t want to do so until August anyway, so that explains why White said that date. Plus, those inside say that even though WWE is repped by WME IMG, the owners of UFC, that things aren’t smooth. White has said he has a good business relationship with HHH, but it’s more difficult with Vince.
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serenewarfare said:
So Meltzer was talking about Brock's contract stuff, but I think the most interesting bit is at the end there
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I hope Lesnar sticks around. He might bore some but for me there's always just an extra spark when he's around.

And I love those Germans and F5s seeing him annihilate Miz and the Miztourage live was a fucking blast.
 
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SallyIsNow

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Pikma said:
Fuck, as soon as I start rnjoying the show...
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klonere

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It's really sad that Sami, AJ Styles and KO are going to be let go for literally appearing on Being the Elite. Such a serious breach of contract has to be taken seriously, you absolutely cannot be hanging around the competitive juggernaut that is the Young Bucks, whose wives still help out with sending their merch and your da definitely has no idea who they are. Lending that dangerous, toxic brand credence only puts their employer in a situation where they would be facing historic losses in revenue due to the power of the Young Bucks, who they certainly couldn't sign at a moments notice.

A company with a virtual monopoly on the sector has to be extremely protective of it's position, especially when you have a growing, vibrant and buzzworthy competitor such as ROH. You have to remember that Sinclair are a massive company who are fully behind ROH and are constantly dumping more money into them. Never before has the WWE faced such an existential threat. According to my heroic sources, ROH's close ties to the Easter juggernaut that is NJPW will likely mean in 5 years, the WWE will be utterly dwarfed in both revenue and mainstream relevance by this potent tag team.

I fully believe it's a moral imperative that WWE take these threats head on, given Sinclair's disgusting promotion of Donald Trump. When you look at WWE they are doing amazing work through Susan G Komen, the Ultimate Warrior's corpse and using their political influence to advocate for change within the current political administration. Truly the last bastion of corporate responsibility and social awareness.

I know Sami, AJ and KO are centerpieces of Smackdown but talent is ultimately disposable and can be replaced. As long as the creative genius of VKM remains, birthing ideas such as "The List of Jericho" and "Festival of Friendship" they should have no problems in the future.
 
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RecRoulette

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serenewarfare said:
On the future of LU. Seems dire.
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Basically sounds like the end of the first season, except without all of the momentum the first season had.

Unless Netflix wants to foot the bill I'd say the show is pretty much done. I personally don't want to see a discount version of LU again, which was basically what Season 2 was.
 
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Speaking of the Bucks...

So the day after the Young Bucks got their cease and desist letter, the WWE 2K video game people asked them to work on doing motion captures for next year’s game because so many people in last year’s game were using Create-a-wrestler mode to play as The Young Bucks that they felt they needed to get all their signature moves in the next game.
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Still making money off of WWE. lol
 
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klonere said:
No and neither did Jimmy Jacobs

I mean it's a pretty good excuse to let a guy go you aren't happy with I guess?
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That's the weird thing.

The Satin report makes it seem like this was more the final straw than it was the only thing. Where as Meltzer is saying this one specific thing is what got him fired.
 
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klonere

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excelsiorlef said:
That's awesome. Wonder if 2k19 will have a Meltzer Driver than.




Nah Jacobs just posted a picture of him with them that day and tagged it #BCInvasion intermingled with WWE related tags too.

Come on. Anyone should know that's a dumb thing to do.
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I'm just amazed that the WWE are this mad at something that is so minor.

Thin skinned carnies who are just playing into this insipid Young Bucks stuff.
 
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klonere said:
I'm just amazed that the WWE are this mad at something that is so minor.

Thin skinned carnies who are just playing into this insipid Young Bucks stuff.
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It's probably just Vince. Or maybe Dunn. Like, as little as I think of Hayes and his gang of fools, I can't ever imagine any of them giving a shit.
 
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excelsiorlef

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klonere said:
I'm just amazed that the WWE are this mad at something that is so minor.

Thin skinned carnies who are just playing into this insipid Young Bucks stuff.
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Oh for sure.

It's funny and the Bucks are geniuses, I've said as much repeatedly

But I do think they were well within their rights to be annoyed with Jacobs... he was probably an actual WWE employee proper since he was a writer/agent? And basic common sense dictates you don't do what he did.
 
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klonere

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Seriously, this Young Bucks/Bullet Club vs WWE thing that the Bucks have been pushing is stupid uninspired garbage (haha just like all their other shtick right haha!!!!!) and if the Fed had just ignored it, it would have all fizzled out by the end of the year.

Now we are going to have to deal with this for years. Fucking years, maybe forever. I like the Bucks in ring, I liked BTE but the direction they took it since Cody arrived was just interminable.
 
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RecRoulette said:
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The Bucks should literally just do this to scare the fuck out of whoever's that paranoid in the company
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That picture is why I can't imagine Hunter cares either. He seems like the type that would laugh it off. The way he handles his executive stuff, he doesn't strike me as insecure like Vince does.

Even if it did actually bother him in some way, which I don't think it would, there's no way he'd ever actually indicate that to anyone.
 
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I wonder if everyone amen brothering Neville for walking out cos he had to job to Enzo would be reacting the same if the scenario was flipped and it was Enzo who walked out refusing to see the lights 🤔
 
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I think walking out because you don't want to do a job is dumb.

It'd be like if Ryan Gosling walked off a film set because he was told his character was gonna die at the end.
 
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klonere

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I'm sure it's literally just this and absolutely nothing else that has caused Neville to do this. This is surely the only issue he has, there can be no others.
 
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serenewarfare

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klonere said:
I'm sure it's literally just this and absolutely nothing else that has caused Neville to do this. This is surely the only issue he has, there can be no others.
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I'm sure he had a ton of issues. Mainly his overall booking and treatment.

My point is more of a general one. But I still don't think he should have walked out. Ask for the release and cut ties, that's all fine, but saying "I don't want to job I'm going home" is just a bad look IMO.
 
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reptilescorpio said:
Damn that would be amazing :(
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Apparently Tessa Blanchard, X-Pac, Joey Ryan, Brian Cage and ZSJ are also advertised for the show. Looks like there is a show in Melbourne too, I think.

https://www.pcw.com.au/events/international-assault/

I just spoke to my buddy about it and it is his wife's birthday, but she likes going to wrasslin' shows so going out in Sydney for the night might (hopefully) be how she wants to spend her birthday.
 
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SomewhatGroovy said:
Those two things are nothing alike.
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They are only different in the ways that a film and a wrestling show are inherently different. In the end, it's a guy in a fictional setting being made to look lesser than another guy and being upset by that.

Like sure, you could argue that the stuff with Neville could hurt his brand and cost him money, but he wasn't selling merch when he was the top pushed guy in the division, so he didn't have much to lose in that regard. Idk. I just think walking out is a bad thing to do. I thought the same when Punk did it. Still do.
 
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serenewarfare said:
They are only different in the ways that a film and a wrestling show are inherently different. In the end, it's a guy in a fictional setting being made to look lesser than another guy and being upset by that.

Like sure, you could argue that the stuff with Neville could hurt his brand and cost him money, but he wasn't selling merch when he was the top pushed guy in the division, so he didn't have much to lose in that regard. Idk. I just think walking out is a bad thing to do. I thought the same when Punk did it. Still do.
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You are right about him walking off being bad. That's just unprofessional. Like, do the job , ”thank you Vince for everything" then leave, y'know

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Unbelievable name change and way to take back your heat, brutha
 
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