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Adding the whole "you're fired" stipulation at the beginning of the match made no sense. How the hell could Barrett fire Cena? And The whole stipulation of if Cena doesn't do everything Barrett says, he's fired, makes no sense either. He's a member of Nexus, and Barrett is his defacto leader. But that doesn't mean the other guys can't stage a coupe.

This storyline was much better two years ago when it was HBK and JBL.
 
I've got to say I don't even understand how the 'loophole' makes sense. If Wade can just suddenly decide to fire Cena why wouldn't he fire him after Cena costs him the match?
 
JdFoX187 said:
Adding the whole "you're fired" stipulation at the beginning of the match made no sense. How the hell could Barrett fire Cena? And The whole stipulation of if Cena doesn't do everything Barrett says, he's fired, makes no sense either. He's a member of Nexus, and Barrett is his defacto leader. But that doesn't mean the other guys can't stage a coupe.

This storyline was much better two years ago when it was HBK and JBL.
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That was a terrible storyline brah.
 
Bootaaay said:
God, you're such a sarcastic ass. No one's saying that. What people are saying is that Punk was clearly so very, very over as the companies top heel after putting Hardy out, but a year of being buried by Taker, SES stuff that never went anywhere and being buried by Rey effectively killed his heat. It was dumb. They threw away Punk's legitimacy to give Taker a pointless title run and put Rey over when he was already over. No one would be complaining if they used Punk's heat to put over someone who actually needed it.
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Uh what match were you watching tonight? Punk is over. He has been over for a long ass time. Maybe if you guys weren't raging into your pillow after every SD you would have noticed.

Or what is going to happened?
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Nothing will happen
 
Rafa=FedKilla said:
That was a terrible storyline brah.
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That's my point. This is even worse than that one was. Barrett doesn't have power to fire Cena. Or it hasn't been established. But he randomly throws it out there tonight. Cena lays him out to get him the win, as part of the stipulation. But Barrett has said in the past if Cena touches him, or if he doesn't win the title, he'll fire him. The whole thing is idiotic.
 
Kusagari said:
I've got to say I don't even understand how the 'loophole' makes sense. If Wade can just suddenly decide to fire Cena why wouldn't he fire him after Cena costs him the match?
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Cole just spent like 5 minutes explaining this. He didn't cost him the match. Cena won him the match.

Yes, it's stupid. They booked this angle into a corner and aren't willing to either let Wade be champion or Cena be a proper heel, so they have to have a built in bail out every step of the way.
 
MetatronM said:
Cole just spent like 5 minutes explaining this. He didn't cost him the match. Cena won him the match.

Yes, it's stupid. They booked this angle into a corner and aren't willing to either let Wade be champion or Cena be a proper heel, so they have to have a built in bail out every step of the way.
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I know Cole explained it but you're missing what I'm saying. Wade apparently has the power to fire Cena whenever he wants. Why wouldn't he fire him after exploiting the loophole?
 
avatar299 said:
Uh what match were you watching tonight? Punk is over. He has been over for a long ass time. Maybe if you guys weren't raging into your pillow after every SD you would have noticed.

Nothing will happen
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You really must want a job with WWE badly.
 
JdFoX187 said:
That's my point. This is even worse than that one was. Barrett doesn't have power to fire Cena. Or it hasn't been established. But he randomly throws it out there tonight. Cena lays him out to get him the win, as part of the stipulation. But Barrett has said in the past if Cena touches him, or if he doesn't win the title, he'll fire him. The whole thing is idiotic.
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Alright, I hadn't made my physical presence none in these parts around that time, good to know people hated that storyline too.


How many PPVs do we have to have with Boreton holding the belt in celebration for over 5 minutes?
 
avatar299 said:
Uh what match were you watching tonight? Punk is over. He has been over for a long ass time. Maybe if you guys weren't raging into your pillow after every SD you would have noticed
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It's just quite obvious you have not paid attention to the Smackdown storylines or matches within the past 9-12 months. But carry on, and be sure to wipe off Vince's pube off your lip, nobody wants to see that.
 
Striker said:
It's just quite obvious you have not paid attention to the Smackdown storylines or matches within the past 9-12 months. But carry on, and be sure to wipe off Vince's pube off your lip, nobody wants to see that.
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:lol fine whatever. In GAF Punk has been a jobber for months. Not an upper midcarder who has been on PPV multiple times.
 
avatar299 said:
Uh what match were you watching tonight? Punk is over. He has been over for a long ass time. Maybe if you guys weren't raging into your pillow after every SD you would have noticed.
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What match were you watching? Because I was watching the one where the fans were rabidly chanting for CM Punk - he may be over, but not as a heel. He lost all of his heel heat when he was continually made to look weak at the hands of Mysterio, and my point was that shitty booking wasted all that heat he got from the Hardy feud on guys that didn't need the rub. As much as you claim otherwise, it's not about the IWC favourites losing. Heels play the bad guy, get the heat and then lose the feud to put over someone who NEEDS a push. Ric Flair made a career out of doing just that, and in the process elevated dozens upon dozens of faces to main event level.
 
Rafa=FedKilla said:
How many PPVs do we have to have with Boreton holding the belt in celebration for over 5 minutes?
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Yeah, that's annoying me too. The PPV's end 15 minutes early and that's with 5 minutes of pointless after the main event stuff. Give us another match for crying out loud.

I'm also surprised the Undertaker or one of the Nexus members didn't accidentally fall into the grave, both wern't paying attention to where they were steping and came very close to falling in.
 
avatar299 said:
:lol fine whatever. In GAF Punk has been a jobber for months. Not an upper midcarder who has been on PPV multiple times.
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CM Punk's recent history:

Tonight: Jobbed to Super Rey.
Oct. 12: Beat Evan Bourne to join Team RAW. Ignoring the fact Bourne has jobbed for months and was injured, this was a dominating win.
Sept. 25: Beat Luke Gallows.
Sept. 20: Beaten by Big Show at Night of Champions.
Sept. 18: Beat Christian with assistance from Alberto Del Rio.
Sept. 11: Destroyed by Undertaker
Sept. 4: He AND Luke Gallows destroyed by Big Show in a handicap match.
Aug. 28: Beat JTG (:lol)
Aug. 16: Summerslam...Big Show destroyed the entire S.E.S.

It goes on through July with Big Show unmasking Punk. Before that, he ran away from Kane in his wrestling tights out into the middle of nowhere. So his one feud, which was against Big Show, he jobbed to three different times. But you're right, Punk has been doing great. He beat two jobbers!
 
Lunchbox said:
cause you watched in the late 90s and early 01s and killed WCW

you should've watched more NITRO and THUNDER, so dont cry now. take it take it
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I watched both WCW and WWF as a young lad. So do I get to bitch about how this stupid PG bullshit and these weak story lines have killed the WWE? I really don't want to resort to TNA...
 
Keyser Soze said:
NEVER FORGET

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I'm in the front row of that Gif:lol
 
Bootaaay said:
What match were you watching? Because I was watching the one where the fans were rabidly chanting for CM Punk - he may be over, but not as a heel. He lost all of his heel heat when he was continually made to look weak at the hands of Mysterio, and my point was that shitty booking wasted all that heat he got from the Hardy feud on guys that didn't need the rub. As much as you claim otherwise, it's not about the IWC favourites losing. Heels play the bad guy, get the heat and then lose the feud to put over someone who NEEDS a push. Ric Flair made a career out of doing just that, and in the process elevated dozens upon dozens of faces to main event level.
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CM Punk isn't a face on RAW, so that point is out the windows. it's not unheard of either for heels to get cheers, especially in a match set up like the bragging rights match.

Punk never lost heat on SD. Even when he feuded with Killings, he could still get a reaction. The SES put him in the ME on SD many times. Did he lose? Yeah he is a heel. It's not exactly crazy for a heel to lose a match. The question is does he still get a reaction, and he clearly still does. Despite all this talk of Punk being buried, he still gets some of the biggest pops of the night, and consistent crowd reaction.

It is nothing but internet favoritism. Whenever an internet darling loses, people freak out. No different than when Daniel Bryan lost to Sheamus a few weeks back and people cried and bitched about Sheamus. Bringing up the "he works out with HHH" nonsense again.
 
Poor Minneapolis, they had endure this shitty PPV(outside of the first match) and the Vikings continue to suck. Not a good night.
 
Avatar299 said:
Punk never lost heat on SD. Even when he feuded with Killings, he could still get a reaction. The SES put him in the ME on SD many times. Did he lose? Yeah he is a heel. It's not exactly crazy for a heel to lose a match. The question is does he still get a reaction, and he clearly still does. Despite all this talk of Punk being buried, he still gets some of the biggest pops of the night, and consistent crowd reaction.

It is nothing but internet favoritism. Whenever an internet darling loses, people freak out. No different than when Daniel Bryan lost to Sheamus a few weeks back and people cried and bitched about Sheamus. Bringing up the "he works out with HHH" nonsense again.
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We're fundamentally going to disagree if you keep skirting around my point - he may be able to consistently get a reaction, but he's a gifted worker and fantastic on the mic, that's hardly surprising. But the reaction he gets now and got previously on Smackdown isn't anywhere near the levels of hate fans displayed to Punk after the Hardy feud. That heat was wasted with shitty booking on guys who didn't need the push. That's my problem here; shitty booking, not my favourites losing matches.

And for the record, I don't at all prescribe to the theory that Punk has been buried this past year - anyone could see he was a major player on Smackdown, I just happen to think he could have been used a whole lot better, to get someone over who actually needed the push, rather than Taker and Rey, two of the most consistently over faces in the whole company.

But this argument is just bound to keep going in circles, i'm off to bed.
 
sf2fanatic said:
tomorrows raw might be a one to watch
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Uhh 2 weeks to election, atleast 20 minutes of stand up for wwe promos, oh yeah big show has a new movie, so 3 previews of that, and rest of the show cena/nexus
 
BoboBrazil said:
Uhh 2 weeks to election, atleast 20 minutes of stand up for wwe promos, oh yeah big show has a new movie, so 3 previews of that, and rest of the show cena/nexus
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Your forgetting another squash of Bryan after his victory.
 
What a totally mediocre PPV. Aside from Bryan/Ziggler having a great opening match, everything else was so uninspired.

Hearing about Heyman not getting to hire the people he wanted, and the TNA talks being completely dead kills me even more.

Everything is just so turrible.
 
Bootaaay said:
It's not all bad, only 4 days until the Dragon Gate USA iPPV shows WWE & TNA how it's done.
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When I say "everything" I mean everything in the WWE, and TNA. There's still good stuff out there for sure, but these 2 major companies are just turrible. So much great talent being completely wasted due to horrible booking.
 
I wonder what you guys want Rey to do, to go and tell Vince:
Señor Vince estoy cansado de que me hagan ganar todas mis peleas, estoy arto de vencer al inútil de CM Punk, por favor hazme perder una enemistad, ya no quiero ser técnico, quiero perder mi estupida mascara y asustar a todos los niños con mi horrible rostro.

Which translates to:
Mister McMahon I'm sick and tired of wining all my matches, of burring the good for nothing CM Punk, please make me lose a feud, I don't want to be face anymore, I want to be heel and lose my stupid mask to scare all the little kids whit my horrible face.

The day Rey does that Vince will just say: you're fired!
 
Dave Meltzer said Perry Saturn, Greg Gagne, and Bill "The Goon" Irwin were all backstage at the PPV and that it was the first time anyone had heard from them in years.
 
Reneledarker said:
I wonder what you guys want Rey to do, to go and tell Vince:
Señor Vince estoy cansado de que me hagan ganar todas mis peleas, estoy arto de vencer al inútil de CM Punk, por favor hazme perder una enemistad, ya no quiero ser técnico, quiero perder mi estupida mascara y asustar a todos los niños con mi horrible rostro.

Which translates to:
Mister McMahon I'm sick and tired of wining all my matches, of burring the good for nothing CM Punk, please make me lose a feud, I don't want to be face anymore, I want to be heel and lose my stupid mask to scare all the little kids whit my horrible face.

The day Rey does that Vince will just say: you're fired!
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What he should do is stop holding the rest of the WWE hostage over his own booking/contract (and yes, he does this), and stop being an asshole about completely burying EVERYONE he goes up against.

Even if he wants to win all of his feuds, you can do that without making your opponent look bad. Mysterio doesn't do that, though. He kills the momentum and heat of everyone he goes up against, and it doesn't do anything for his own popularity or standing within the company. It just hurts the product.

He sucks, has sucked for about 10 years now, and does nothing but bring down the quality of the product in every way imaginable. Fact. He's like a smaller bob holly, but even more of a dick backstage
 
I think the Cena heel turn begins Monday night. There were Fire Cena chants. He will realize that the WWE Universe doesn't want him there and he will snap.
 
GaimeGuy said:
What he should do is stop holding the rest of the WWE hostage over his own booking/contract (and yes, he does this), and stop being an asshole about completely burying EVERYONE he goes up against.

Even if he wants to win all of his feuds, you can do that without making your opponent look bad. Mysterio doesn't do that, though. He kills the momentum and heat of everyone he goes up against, and it doesn't do anything for his own popularity or standing within the company. It just hurts the product.

He sucks, has sucked for about 10 years now, and does nothing but bring down the quality of the product in every way imaginable. Fact. He's like a smaller bob holly, but even more of a dick backstage
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Unless you work backstage, you don't know shit about what he does. I HATE that lame ass argument.

You want to know why Rey gets pushed so hard? He puts asses in seats and sells merch. And over his long-ass Hall of Fame career he's deserved it.

WWE doesn't allow for "creative control" in their contracts anymore. If they wanted to make Rey the next Bastion Booger, they would. NO ONE over rules Vince.


You can'tbe pissed at the guy for doing what Vince tells him to do.
 
I need some announce table gifs from last night.

The reactions to team smackdown winning and undertaker losing were awesome.
 
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