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This weeks episode of ROH on HDnet is up on youtube;

ROH HDnet - 10/04/10

Part 1; - Eddie Edwards Promo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GH7i7ySxuQ
Part 2; - Eddie Edwards vs Kenny King - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XDdCqj5pXI
Part 3; - Tyler Black vs Mike Sydal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsADWp9wnaE
Part 4; - Davey Richards vs El Generico 1/2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZoVea4d29I
Part 5; - Davey Richards vs El Generico 2/2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJprVDN_qLE

Can't wait to watch Davey/Generico, should be an awesome match - also cool to see Evan Bourne's little brother getting a chance in ROH!

Also, someone on my youtube subscription list uploaded this interesting lucha match;

Rey Misterio Sr, Rey Misterio Jr & Kendo Star vs El Guichol, Tercera Dimension & Psycosis - 2/3 Falls - (AAA)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyWvxJoWMoU - 1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RQsjMmyo3M - 2/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLM5zBe35Ps - 3/3

And here's some more BJW I uploaded;

Ryuji Yamakawa (c) vs Tomoaki Honma - (BJW 06/20/99)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlSqzaV5tcg - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B64HWEkfaG8 - 2/2

Ryuiji Yamakawa defends the BJW Deathmatch Heavyweight Championship against Tomoaki Honma in this crazy Light Tube, Bed of Nails, Barbed Wire Boards Deathmatch from BJW's 06/20/99 show.

Another nutty BJW deathmatch - Yamakawa is straight up crazy, and Tonma, once again, bleeds like a stuck pig.

Ryuji Yamakawa (c) vs Shadow WX - (BJW 08/10/99)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxFRuKma_lA - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcADhwX2O-8 - 2/2

Ryuji Yamakawa defends the BJW Deathmatch Heavyweight Championship against Shadow WX in an insane No Rope, Barbedwire, Light Tube, Flaming Log Deathmatch from BJW's 08/10/99 show.

Ah, another outdoor clusterfuck of a BJW match, good fun - Yamakawa is the man.

Tomoaki Honma vs The Winger - (BJW 10/03/99)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NC5_QzMbU

Tomoaki Honma faces off against The Winger in a Barbedwire Board Deathmatch for the No. 1 Contender's right to challenge the BJW Deathmatch Heavyweight Champion - from BJW's 10/03/99 show.

Tomoaki Honma is a damn idiot, he takes a nasty, nasty unprotected chairshot early in the match and, again, bleeds like crazy. In fact, I'm having trouble finding a Honma match where he doesn't bleed like crazy. Also features Winger actually managing to break not one, but two Japanese tables :p
 
WWE is unfixable (from our point of view) at this point. We should just be happy with:

1 five-star match a year
1 good match per PPV (with luck)
15 minutes of decent RAW per episode, at best
At least one great episode of Raw, a year
2 decent ideas, per year
2 new stars we will probably like, each year
A a few decent Smackdowns runs every few months before they "fix it"
 
Keyser Soze said:
WWE is unfixable (from our point of view) at this point. We should just be happy with:

1 five-star match a year
1 good match per PPV (with luck)
15 minutes of decent RAW per episode, at best
At least one great episode of Raw, a year
2 decent ideas, per year
2 new stars we will probably like, each year
A a few decent Smackdowns runs every few months before they "fix it"
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Oh its fixable but they need time to learn where to cut.
 
Keyser Soze said:
WWE is unfixable (from our point of view) at this point. We should just be happy with:

1 five-star match a year
1 good match per PPV (with luck)
15 minutes of decent RAW per episode, at best
At least one great episode of Raw, a year
2 decent ideas, per year
2 new stars we will probably like, each year
A a few decent Smackdowns runs every few months before they "fix it"
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The WWE IS fixable, but aside from that, I agree with everything you've posted, and now I'm sad. :(
 
Keyser Soze said:
WWE is unfixable (from our point of view) at this point. We should just be happy with:

1 five-star match a year
1 good match per PPV (with luck)
15 minutes of decent RAW per episode, at best
At least one great episode of Raw, a year
2 decent ideas, per year
2 new stars we will probably like, each year
A a few decent Smackdowns runs every few months before they "fix it"
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even if the wrestling fans got what they wanted, they'd find some way to complain about the material.

"if you don't like it, why you still watching, fam?"

excuse me while I go knee an up-and-coming star in the face repeatedly.
 
bwahhhhh said:
get a big bodyguard to beat the hell out of your roommate, have him hold your roommate up, pull down your pants, then tell your roommate he's about to join the KISS MY ASS CLUB
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Next time.






Next time.
 
spindashing said:
even if the wrestling fans got what they wanted, they'd find some way to complain about the material.

"if you don't like it, why you still watching, fam?"

excuse me while I go knee an up-and-coming star in the face repeatedly.
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Fans of anything will ALWAYS want "more this" and "better that" but there is a difference between wanting more from a good product but feeling satisfied, and wanting more from an obviously bad product in which the WWE is the latter. They have great talent on the roster capable of putting on excellent shows, but the booking is just ruining everything this year aside from the initial Nexus invasion, and the HBK/Undertaker feud (which was probably largely on HBK/Undertaker anyway)
 
I ran into a kid yesterday wearing a TNA Jeff Hardy shirt at a Gamestop. Since this is the first time I've seen someone wear a TNA shirt in public I had to ask his some questions. :lol

Favorite TNA wrestler - Jeff Hardy
Second favorite - RVD
He does watch Impact.
Favorite WWE wrestler - John Cena
He does like Nexus.

So TNA grabbing WWE guys does pull over a younger crowd. And most disturbing of all, Vince's strategy to sell Nexus shirts is already working. :lol
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Fans of anything will ALWAYS want "more this" and "better that" but there is a difference between wanting more from a good product but feeling satisfied, and wanting more from an obviously bad product in which the WWE is the latter. They have great talent on the roster capable of putting on excellent shows, but the booking is just ruining everything this year aside from the initial Nexus invasion, and the HBK/Undertaker feud (which was probably largely on HBK/Undertaker anyway)
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Alright. I agree with your there. We can only hope creative wisens up, but that's asking for the impossible.

More wrasslin' news:

NoDQ.com said:
Credit: F4WOnline.com

- Scott Hall is out of rehab and is hoping to get back with TNA. Hall is also looking at opening a wrestling school in Florida.

- TNA held drug testing a few weeks back and the wrestlers who failed tests were simply told they failed and there was no action taken or suspensions given over at least some, if not all of the failures.

- Look for many changes in TNA soon as far as face turns, heel turns and new groups forming. At one point, the plan was for Kurt Angle to be World Champion with Eric Bischoff & Hulk Hogan as the top heels and Sting as a top face, coming out of Bound For Glory. No word yet if that is still the plan but we will know after this weekend.

- It’s also expected that either Rob Van Dam or Jeff Hardy will turn heel. It’s said that Hogan wants a top heel group that’s considered cool like the NWO was.
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Congrats to Scott Hall. Hopefully he stays on the right path because he used to be one of my favorites.

And lol @ drug testing and not reprimanding people who failed. Then what's the point of a drug test?

Hm, "many changes." Sound familiar? :D
 
lol @ a heel RVD, or Jeff Hardy. They don't have the mic skills to get a heel gimmick over, and fans haven't booed them for 10+ years. That's just not going to work.
 
"- Look for many changes in TNA soon as far as face turns, heel turns and new groups forming. At one point, the plan was for Kurt Angle to be World Champion with Eric Bischoff & Hulk Hogan as the top heels and Sting as a top face, coming out of Bound For Glory. No word yet if that is still the plan but we will know after this weekend.

- It’s also expected that either Rob Van Dam or Jeff Hardy will turn heel. It’s said that Hogan wants a top heel group that’s considered cool like the NWO was."

These two things don't go together. Also the Hogan thing is likely scrapped now due to the problems he is having with his back. He is back in the hospital today.
 
I really don't think WWE will be "fixed". I mean I am sure the product can get better but I don't think wrestling will ever reach the heights of what it was in the 80's and Attitude Era.

1) The business has been way too much exposed

2) WWE is too scripted and robotic these days (yes I know they can change the style of matches and stories but that doesnt seem to be happening any time soon)

3) The rise of MMA has pretty much made wrestling a less "edgy" product. A lot of old wrestling fans have just moved on once their favorite wrestler has either retired or left the industry and just don't care for the new WWE or wrestling generation.

If wrestling is ever going to get attention in the media again than the WWE product or some other wrestling promotion should get a deal with HBO or something and go all out with realistic stories that are believable while keep great wrestling talent around. WWE is too concerned with their wrestlers looking like bodybuilders these days. I don't think that should be necessary.
 
So on the most recent Observer Radio Dave Meltzer was pointing out that Brock Lesnars 2 UFC fights this year could very well outdraw all of WWE's PPVs combined this year.
 
Host Samurai said:
I really don't think WWE will be "fixed". I mean I am sure the product can get better but I don't think wrestling will ever reach the heights of what it was in the 80's and Attitude Era.

1) The business has been way too much exposed

2) WWE is too scripted and robotic these days (yes I know they can change the style of matches and stories but that doesnt seem to be happening any time soon)

3) The rise of MMA has pretty much made wrestling a less "edgy" product. A lot of old wrestling fans have just moved on once their favorite wrestler has either retired or left the industry and just don't care for the new WWE or wrestling generation.

If wrestling is ever going to get attention in the media again than the WWE product or some other wrestling promotion should get a deal with HBO or something and go all out with realistic stories that are believable while keep great wrestling talent around. WWE is too concerned with their wrestlers looking like bodybuilders these days. I don't think that should be necessary.
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WWE is still poular worldwide though. If you want really need to make it more believable to get some of the UFC audience back to watching wrestling, they could easily concentrate on having one brand, less PPV's, the winning to losing ratio of their talent aka don't book squash matches, plus no suprise booking.

Also MMA isn't edgy once you get over the fact its real and TKOs can come at any time.
 
Going to work today and listening to the radio and there was an advertisement about WWE having a house event here in so cal and the feature was Orton-Sheamus Cage Title match. I dont know If I heard it right and if I did you thin any upsets in the making?

If old sorry..
 
BoboBrazil said:
"- Look for many changes in TNA soon as far as face turns, heel turns and new groups forming. At one point, the plan was for Kurt Angle to be World Champion with Eric Bischoff & Hulk Hogan as the top heels and Sting as a top face, coming out of Bound For Glory. No word yet if that is still the plan but we will know after this weekend.

- It’s also expected that either Rob Van Dam or Jeff Hardy will turn heel. It’s said that Hogan wants a top heel group that’s considered cool like the NWO was."

These two things don't go together. Also the Hogan thing is likely scrapped now due to the problems he is having with his back. He is back in the hospital today.
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Sites that summarize the Observer always leave out the key stuff. :(

The Hogan situation is interesting because his showing himself looking so hurt with the recent back hospitalizations would seem to work against a heel turn. There are those in the company noting just how strongly they go on television with his hospitalization that there is more here than meets the eye, not that he doesn’t have a bad back, but perhaps some of this is an angle. Now why you would want to portray Hogan as being so hurt for his return when the goal is for him to be a heel, well, that does seem to make no sense. Hogan is still on the schedule to wrestle on 10/10 in the Hogan & Jeff Jarrett & Samoa Joe vs. Kevin Nash & Sting & Pope match. If there’s a long-planned out angle here, Hogan may have to be on the apron even if his back isn’t ready, and again there are people skeptical of what is and isn’t real on that injury. I mean, he’s got a bad back, has had it for years, but is all the stuff he’s making sure gets out something that will end up being part of a storyline?
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Paul Heyman did a recent interview where he said his talks with TNA are completely dead. He said TNA agreed to his time-frame and money desired. The breaking point of negotiations was Dixie Carter's unwillingness to let Heyman have power to hire and fire people. When it became clear Heyman wouldn't be granted this, he walked away.
 
abstract alien said:
Damn Heyman, quite a bit of power you want right there...
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Heyman's already said he had a 5 (I think?) year plan when they first came to him, so it's obvious that he knows who he would want out, and who he would want in. Dixie just seem unwilling to let go of Hogan, Bischoff, and Russo and I'm guessing that Heyman wants no part of that power struggle.
 
Linkified said:
WWE is still poular worldwide though. If you want really need to make it more believable to get some of the UFC audience back to watching wrestling, they could easily concentrate on having one brand, less PPV's, the winning to losing ratio of their talent aka don't book squash matches, plus no suprise booking.

Also MMA isn't edgy once you get over the fact its real and TKOs can come at any time.
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I never said that it was never popular or anything. I was stating that I don't think it will ever be "the hot thing" anymore like it was in the late 90's unless there is a major overhaul to the brand and even that is stretching it a bit.

And MMA is a lot more "edgy" and "mature" than having a announcer scream "puppies" and having a midget run around with dirt on his face trying to be funny. Just sayin.
 
abstract alien said:
Damn Heyman, quite a bit of power you want right there...
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He wants to be able to have complete creative freedom. Pretty understandable after having to work with Vince.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
He has nothing to lose. Why not ask for everything he would want to get back into this shit?
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Well, I guess I was thinking that he could get in and really show them how much is was needed. I don't blame him for laying out what he wants in a most desirable situation, but the second I read about him "having the ability to fire people", it just didn't seem like something that would fly by well. Not to say he couldn't do a better job than what is happening right now, I think he most definitely would. It just feels like a decision you have to let them make on their own once they see how valuable of an asset you really are to them.

Unless you are Hogan. His name can get him anything.
 
Keyser Soze said:
WWE is unfixable (from our point of view) at this point. We should just be happy with:

1 five-star match a year
1 good match per PPV (with luck)
15 minutes of decent RAW per episode, at best
At least one great episode of Raw, a year
2 decent ideas, per year
2 new stars we will probably like, each year
A a few decent Smackdowns runs every few months before they "fix it"
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And yet you still watch
 
Host Samurai said:
I never said that it was never popular or anything. I was stating that I don't think it will ever be "the hot thing" anymore like it was in the late 90's unless there is a major overhaul to the brand and even that is stretching it a bit.

And MMA is a lot more "edgy" and "mature" than having a announcer scream "puppies" and having a midget run around with dirt on his face trying to be funny. Just sayin.
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First there was midget division in the attitude era secondly Lawler said that in the attitude era.

And MMA won't be the hot thing in two decades time either the same as wrestling.
 
avatar299 said:
And yet you still watch
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And yet you still reply.

Professional wrestling isn't going anywhere. In the early 90s, it fell into a similar rut and people were probably saying then how it was never going to recover and it would eventually fall by the wayside. Right now, it's in another rut. It's still popular as hell, if not moreso in the mainstream. Even in the glorious Attitude Era, you didn't have the mainstream exposure that wrestling has now. The Rock, Austin, DX, Mankind, etc. weren't making the daily rounds on late night talk shows or making movies like they do now. Foley wrote the occasional book and that was about it.

I would venture to say more people "follow" professional wrestling now than ever before. The indies are more popular than ever for quality wrestling. There is more actual wrestling on television than there was in the Attitude Era. The only difference is people just aren't buying the PPVs that they used to, and ratings are slightly down. But you also have to consider there are a hell of a more PPVs than there were back then, and we didn't have the Internet back then for easy access to lamps like we do now.
 
JdFoX187 said:
And yet you still reply.

Professional wrestling isn't going anywhere. In the early 90s, it fell into a similar rut and people were probably saying then how it was never going to recover and it would eventually fall by the wayside. Right now, it's in another rut. It's still popular as hell, if not moreso in the mainstream. Even in the glorious Attitude Era, you didn't have the mainstream exposure that wrestling has now. The Rock, Austin, DX, Mankind, etc. weren't making the daily rounds on late night talk shows or making movies like they do now. Foley wrote the occasional book and that was about it.

I would venture to say more people "follow" professional wrestling now than ever before. The indies are more popular than ever for quality wrestling. There is more actual wrestling on television than there was in the Attitude Era. The only difference is people just aren't buying the PPVs that they used to, and ratings are slightly down. But you also have to consider there are a hell of a more PPVs than there were back then, and we didn't have the Internet back then for easy access to lamps like we do now.
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Whaaa? You crazy? Rock was on SNL multiple times. Austin, Foley, HHH, and Sable (I think?) were on TV Guide covers. Remember Ready to Rumble? Rock in Scorpion King? Wrestling was WAAAAY more in the mainstream back then. Hardly anyone (outside of little kids) know who John Cena is. But a LARGE amount of people knew who Stone Cold and The Rock were back in their heyday.

WWE currently is still very popular, yes, but no where near as mainstream as it was in the past.
 
Dork Knight said:
Whaaa? You crazy? Rock was on SNL multiple times. Austin, Foley, HHH, and Sable (I think?) were on TV Guide covers. Remember Ready to Rumble? Rock in Scorpion King? Wrestling was WAAAAY more in the mainstream back then. Hardly anyone (outside of little kids) know who John Cena is. But a LARGE amount of people knew who Stone Cold and The Rock were back in their heyday.

WWE currently is still very popular, yes, but no where near as mainstream as it was in the past.
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Right...those "people" know who Stone Cold is because they were the kids of those days. Just the same as in a couple of years everyone will know who John Cena is.
 
avatar299 said:
And yet you still watch
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I am still a fan, yeah, but drifting away all time time (probably will never fully leave), and willing to applaud when they do something right.

There was a time I would watch everything WWE did, even those stupid recap shows, but those days are long gone

RAW is a bit above background noise (and at times entertaining because of the chat on here during it). If I record it, and watch it, then it is over in about 30 minutes. Smackdown is viewed as Youtube clips most of the time. I don't watch Superstars, and PPVs are fun for pretty much the same reason as RAW.

I still think WWE are in a good position now with a bunch of young guys that could be interesting if used right.
 
Christopher said:
Right...those "people" know who Stone Cold is because they were the kids of those days. Just the same as in a couple of years everyone will know who John Cena is.
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The difference is, ADULTS *and* KIDS knew who Stone Cold and The Rock were during the '90's. ;)
 
we have to stick together and bitch about US sports entertainment together, guys. don't stray away from the cause. let's all glorify the attitude era...

it was so...

...

avant-garde
 
Dork Knight said:
Whaaa? You crazy? Rock was on SNL multiple times. Austin, Foley, HHH, and Sable (I think?) were on TV Guide covers. Remember Ready to Rumble? Rock in Scorpion King? Wrestling was WAAAAY more in the mainstream back then. Hardly anyone (outside of little kids) know who John Cena is. But a LARGE amount of people knew who Stone Cold and The Rock were back in their heyday.

WWE currently is still very popular, yes, but no where near as mainstream as it was in the past.
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Some of the new guys have been on SNL. TV Guide is more of an afterthought anymore, and covers on there aren't as big as they were then. Ready to Rumble was a WCW-funded movie that absolutely failed at the box office. At least WWE's movies have made money. Outside of this last one, which I don't even know the name, they've all been profitable. Besides, Mummy Returns was well after the Attitude Era, the same with Scorpion King.

I would say a lot of people know who Cena is now. I've seen both kids and adults wearing his shirts. I have one of his old thuganomics shirts that I wear from time to time, and I always have people coming up to me asking if I'm a wrestling fan and talking, etc.

My point is wrestling is in a rut right now, but it's not on the life support that people think it is. Smarks aren't happy, yes. But there are plenty of mainstream people who still watch. When you consider the Internet penetration, the added competition of MMA and other programs on television, the ratings and interest aren't as bad as they could be.
 
"- Bruce Prichard, a former WWE talent and office staff member, has joined TNA’s production staff. He was on hand at a TNA agent meeting held in Orlando earlier today.

Prichard has been out of wrestling since December 2008 and was a key member of Vince McMahon’s inner circle during his time in WWE. The decision to release him came from Stephanie McMahon because she felt it was time for him to move on, a decision her father mutually agreed with. Prichard was with WWE for 22 years."

Interesting, also Mickie James is backstage and will probably debut tonight.
 
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