deVIZtator
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Its funny how they had to remake the tag titles to make owning them seem more interesting.
October Wrasslin' |OT| of Bound for Hell on Syfy
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spindashing
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Your argument is invalid, I am an android.Net_Wrecker said:
Who better to feed to the champ? I feel he came off strong kicking Bryan to hell while anyone, even a fat kid on Thanksgiving can defeat Santino, etc.
It was NOT needed, like I said, but I'm not going to spill my cup of blood of virgins because of it. He's a champ, he squashes, it happens. It just so happens he's squashing the mid-card belt holder.
And how can someone confuse TV belt on WWE who hasn't used that belt since what, WCW? TV belt is different than other belts, you know...
British Monsoon
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Go back and watch any match from the likes of Mid-Atlantic, Memphis, Mid-South etc from the 70's and early 80's - the crowds are predominantly made up of adults, male and female, much like Japanese crowds, because it was presented as a competitive sport. There were storylines, but they were kept simple - this guy hates that guy, so they fight, that guy has the title, and this guy wants it, so they fight, etc - which allowed for the focus to remain on the athletic action in-ring, which is always going to appeal to adults more than the grand spectacle of sports entertainment, the super hero characters or the sleaze and violence of the attitude era.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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That's because people thought it was real.Bootaaay said:
HBO or Showtime or WWE or anyone else is never going to convince people wrestling is real again.
Net_Wrecker
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spindashing said:
The point is that there was no need for the squash at ALL. Sheamus is already an established heel, and he can live off the fact that he took out Triple H without having to squash the midcard title holder. Even if they wanted him to squash, couldn't he do it as a sneak attack, or with a chair? SOMETHING to keep Bryan looking strong while still getting the point across that "Sheamus is angry."
worldrunover
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I'm glad Punk is coming to Raw. He's being wasted on Smackdown, has feuded with everyone at the top of the card (and lost recently) and there's just not much he was doing over there. Now he can start feuding with fresh faces (well, fresher anyway) and can even get into the WWE title picture, since the WHC is tied up with the brothers of borestruction (thank you thank you, be sure to tip your waitresses).
Plus now Edge and Swagger can feud, which maybe (just MAYBE) means they are building Swagger's credibility up again.
Plus now Edge and Swagger can feud, which maybe (just MAYBE) means they are building Swagger's credibility up again.
AdawgDaFAB
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Net_Wrecker said:
I didn't rage when it happened, but I was mad at the booking there. All they had to do was have the match go a minute of back and forth, Dragon makes a mistake, Sheamus then capitalized by going berserk on him with a chair or something. Dragon doesn't look completely week, Sheamus gets "I IS MAD!"
If I had it my way tho, I wouldn't have even had the match. I still think it was ridiculous that Sheamus and Orton were in a HitC match the night before, and showed not one iota of lingering effects from it. Taker and Kane will probably be the same on SD. They really have destroyed any mystique and meaning HitC used to have IMO.
worldrunover
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Net_Wrecker said:
It was a DQ about 20 seconds in. It doesn't really affect Daniel. It sucks because I would've liked to see them have an actual wrestling match, but in WWE world Daniel is a neophyte and, while good, isn't on Sheamus' level yet.
British Monsoon
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Agreed, but I don't think they actually need to convince people it's real any more - WWE can't provide the realism of UFC, and short of becoming a shoot-wrestling promotion, they never will. But, they could provide athletic, fast-paced, high-flying, hard-hitting action you won't see elsewhere on TV if they wanted to and if they weren't so entrenched in 'the WWE style' of wrestling. I firmly believe that the Japanese Heavyweight & Jr. Heavyweight styles could get over in the US if given the level of backing afforded to WWE or even TNA, but that's something we will never know because WWE doesn't want to cater to adults (or even admit that UFC has eaten a huge chunk of their business) and TNA are too busy trying to recapture the Attitude era rather than attempt to offer a true alternative to WWE.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Charlie Hass' last point is correct, everyone used to have a storyline, last night there was one storyline the entire night. (and probably a foreshadowing of bragging rights).
British Monsoon
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Matches added to the DGUSA PPV later this month;
Dragon Gate USA presents; Bushido - Code of the Warrior - live on iPPV on October 29th - $14.99
http://www.gofightlive.tv/Events/Fight/Wrestling/Dragon_Gate_Bushido_Code_Of_The_Warrior/804
BxB Hulk (c) vs SHINGO - BxB Hulk defends the Open the Freedom Gate Championship against SHINGO in the main event!
"Hulk vs. Shingo is one of the great rivalries in Japan," DGUSA Vice President Gabe Sapolsky said. "We are thrilled to bring it to Massachusetts and broadcast it worldwide with our first live iPPV on October 29th. We are going to make sure "Bushido: Way Of The Warrior" is one of the most talked about shows of the year. This match is going to set the tone."
Warriors International (CIMA & Genki Horiguchi) vs KAMIKAZE USA (YAMATO & Akira Tozawa)
"We pride ourselves on our tag team wrestling," DGUSA President Satoshi Oji said. "CIMA and Horiguchi have not teamed in the United States in years. The iPPV is a very special show for us and it is only fitting that CIMA and Horiguchi team together for this event."
"We wanted to showcase the Dragon Gate style of tag team wrestling at its best on the live iPPV," DGUSA Vice President Gabe Sapolsky said. "Warriors vs. Kamikaze will blow people away. We are putting our best foot forward live on iPPV."
DGUSA will be announcing a new match for the iPPV every Tuesday, but from the two already announced it's pretty safe to assume that 'Bushido: Code of the Warrior' WILL be the best PPV of October.
Dragon Gate USA presents; Bushido - Code of the Warrior - live on iPPV on October 29th - $14.99
http://www.gofightlive.tv/Events/Fight/Wrestling/Dragon_Gate_Bushido_Code_Of_The_Warrior/804
BxB Hulk (c) vs SHINGO - BxB Hulk defends the Open the Freedom Gate Championship against SHINGO in the main event!
"Hulk vs. Shingo is one of the great rivalries in Japan," DGUSA Vice President Gabe Sapolsky said. "We are thrilled to bring it to Massachusetts and broadcast it worldwide with our first live iPPV on October 29th. We are going to make sure "Bushido: Way Of The Warrior" is one of the most talked about shows of the year. This match is going to set the tone."
Warriors International (CIMA & Genki Horiguchi) vs KAMIKAZE USA (YAMATO & Akira Tozawa)
"We pride ourselves on our tag team wrestling," DGUSA President Satoshi Oji said. "CIMA and Horiguchi have not teamed in the United States in years. The iPPV is a very special show for us and it is only fitting that CIMA and Horiguchi team together for this event."
"We wanted to showcase the Dragon Gate style of tag team wrestling at its best on the live iPPV," DGUSA Vice President Gabe Sapolsky said. "Warriors vs. Kamikaze will blow people away. We are putting our best foot forward live on iPPV."
DGUSA will be announcing a new match for the iPPV every Tuesday, but from the two already announced it's pretty safe to assume that 'Bushido: Code of the Warrior' WILL be the best PPV of October.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Just read up on RAW and I can't believe what they did to Danielson. The booking is flat out retarded and that's a perfect example of why the ratings are going down like they are, I mean why build stars that can cut promos and wrestle amazing matches when you can use them to be squashed by the boring fucks you've been forcing down fans throats for the last few years.
It's hard to believe that this is the same company has Punk running around as a world champ last year.
It's hard to believe that this is the same company has Punk running around as a world champ last year.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Sorry I meant the US heavyweight championship.
Only reason why I can figure that I kept calling it the TV title is because I spent most of yesterday afternoon watching old NWA videos circa 1980-1984 and the TV title was kind of a big deal.
That's probably also why I'm so fired up about the shittiness of RAW last night. Kind of hard to watch some old school greatness and then turn it over to what WWE is passing off as wrestling today.
Rafa=FedKilla said:
The top 3-4 guys get a storyline. Everybody else gets to draw ping pong balls out of a tumbler 5 minutes before air time.
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Spirit of Jazz said:
I never knew at the time we had it so good. I miss that.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
It's sad how true this is.bill0527 said:
My problem with the Danielson match wasn't so much a squash but how bad the squash was. He literally got ZERO offensive moves in. Sheamus just ran through him and squashed him worse than he did Evan Bourne back when he used to squash Bourne every week. It was one of the worst squashes I've seen on WWE in a while.
British Monsoon
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bill0527 said:
*sigh* I miss the days when secondary titles were a big deal, rather than a pathetic afterthought. The likes of Arn Anderson, Dusty, Tully Blanchard, Steamboat & Flair made that title (and the Mid-Atlantic TV Title before it) one of the most prestigious belts of the era. It's also one of my favourite looking belts;
Kusagari said:
And it was made even worse by the fact that Danielson is supposed to be a mid-card champion - fucking awful booking. There was a way to make Sheamus look strong against a viable, championship holding opponent, without sacrificing any of his opponents credibility, and that was to have a competitive match like Jericho vs Bryan from the first season of NXT. But no, they can't spare 10 or even 5 minutes for a match like that, and instead throw out the most pathetic of squashes.
bean breath
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He lasted longer than Zack Ryder.Kusagari said:
Arrowgigantic
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Astute, but Wade Barrett is better than Megatron.bean breath said:
Keyser Soze
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I don't know why we are so bothered with the Danielson thing, what really matters is how Danielson comes back after the squash.
If last week was just a throwaway squashing of talent, then yeah, it sucked big time, but if they do whatever they may be playing right, it could actually lead to a good storyline between the two - and another reason for the regular audience to care about Bryan (they still don't).
If last week was just a throwaway squashing of talent, then yeah, it sucked big time, but if they do whatever they may be playing right, it could actually lead to a good storyline between the two - and another reason for the regular audience to care about Bryan (they still don't).
British Monsoon
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Keyser Soze said:
Because WWE refused to go with the obvious, tried and tested method of getting bland, yet incredibly gifted technical wrestlers over; have them wrestle a lot and show of their technical skills, preferably with an aggressive attitude and major mean streak. Not by having them lose to 'rookies' every week, not by making them come across as meek and apologetic and not by running them down on commentary constantly.
My problem with it is that it could have been ANYBODY (William Regal, Great Khali, Vladimir Kozlov, anybody), but they went out of their way to make it the US champion. Now, I'm sure the logic is "he's a champion and he still got squashed, Sheamus must be really really strong." But the problem is that NOBODY thinks that, because they haven't made Bryan look all that strong yet. He's beaten the Miz twice, one in a triple threat where Morrison did all the big spots. And that's it. He went winless in NXT, he has no real set personality since they pretended his one good promo in NXT didn't exist, he's been beaten multiple times by the Miz before, he's had Miz use his finisher on him several more times than he's used his finisher on the Miz, etc. etc.Kusagari said:
Daniel Bryan looks weak and completely lacking in credibility, and Sheamus looks absolutely no different after last night than he did the night before. And for what purpose was Sheamus squashing someone anyway? He's not in the title scene at the moment, nor does he have a storyline 3 weeks out from a PPV.
Just incredibly dumb, to the point that I can't even begin to comprehend what long term (i.e. more than 2 weeks in length) plan they think this helps.
Plus there's the additional stupidity of putting a man who already has a contract for a WWE Title match in the Number 1 Contenders battle royale but NOT putting in the mid-card champion. There's nothing about that that makes any sense. Why would Miz even want to be number 1 contender? He is basically ALWAYS the number 1 contender.
When you're not even making logical sense by professional wrestling standards of logic, you're really really off the mark. :lol
Rated-Rsuperstar
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Anyone else notice how Barrett during the opening promo said Husky and Mcgillicuddy had nothing to do with Nexus and 10 minutes later they were standing side by side in the locker room?
ryutaro's mama
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Rated-Rsuperstar said:
It was tongue-in cheek in my book.
After speaking to a source in WWE earlier this evening, WrestleZone can now exclusively confirm that a top WWE star is strongly considering his retirement from the pro wrestling industry.
Out of respect to the superstar, who is still under contract with WWE, we will not be revealing his name at this point, however as the story continues to develop WZ will be providing more information. It should be noted that the wrestler in question is NOT Chris Jericho.
We have been told that the top star's contract is expiring with WWE in the very near future, and that he has several options on his plate outside of the pro wrestling world that he has a strong interest in exploring. We have also been told that if this wrestler does indeed leave WWE it will not be to jump ship to TNA, but rather to quit the wrestling business altogether and focus on other avenues.
credit: WrestleZone.com
We shall miss you, Yoshi Tatsu.
Out of respect to the superstar, who is still under contract with WWE, we will not be revealing his name at this point, however as the story continues to develop WZ will be providing more information. It should be noted that the wrestler in question is NOT Chris Jericho.
We have been told that the top star's contract is expiring with WWE in the very near future, and that he has several options on his plate outside of the pro wrestling world that he has a strong interest in exploring. We have also been told that if this wrestler does indeed leave WWE it will not be to jump ship to TNA, but rather to quit the wrestling business altogether and focus on other avenues.
credit: WrestleZone.com
We shall miss you, Yoshi Tatsu.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Please be Taker or Kane or Paul Bearer.
spindashing
Banned
Plywood said:
go back to reading one piece
Keyser Soze
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We know something you know who *sticks tongue out* We wont tell you LOL. We thought we'd write this story though to show how great we are, but seriously, screw you. We are awesome though, remember that. Remember folks, stay with us, we will be sure to tell you the result of a show you already watched, and tell you when someone is signing a book in some mall somewhere. We are important - and awesome too *thumbs up*
credit: WrestleZone.com
credit: WrestleZone.com
Rated-Rsuperstar
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RBH said:
Let me guess. Matt Hardy.
ryutaro's mama
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Rated-Rsuperstar said:
What new ventures outside of Wrestling would he have?
Rated-Rsuperstar
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ryutaro's mama said:
I watched one of his videos a couple weeks back where he talked about leaving WWE and mentioned he wanted to do some other stuff rather then continue to wrestle.
Here's a good article talking about the WWE's declining business:
In her campaign to become U.S. senator from Connecticut, Linda McMahon urges voters to consider her "real-life business experience" at World Wrestling Entertainmentthe promoter of staged brawls like SmackDown and Hell in a Cellwhere McMahon was chief executive from 1997 until last year. Upon inspection, the Stamford, Conn., company's stats don't look so buff. Pay-per-view buys, TV ratings, magazine sales and Website visits have been in decline for three years, as many fans turn to mixed martial-arts contests like the Ultimate Fighting Championship. The UFC's champions like Brock Lesnar are essentially kicking the butts of WWE superstars like John Cena.
As a result, the shares (ticker: WWE) seem overpriced at 13.97, or 20 times the earnings per share that Wall Street predicts for this year. That's a 45% premium to the S&P 500's multiple of 13.75, for a declining franchise. A market multiple would price WWE shares at less than 10. The stock's major prop is a generous 10% dividend yield. But that payout seems unsustainable, since it exceeds earnings.
"Lousy," was the word used to describe June's quarterly results in conference-call remarks by Linda's husband, Vince McMahon. He stepped in as CEO in September 2009 when she retired from the job. June revenues fell 23% from the prior-year period, to $107 million, while earnings fell by more than half, to $6.3 million, or 8 cents a share. After capital spending, free cash flow was a negative $17 million. Vince McMahon blamed travel interruptions caused by the Icelandic volcano and absent starssome of whom retired and some who, like the Undertaker, have been sidelined by injuries.
Revenues began to slip at WWE well before Linda left and eventually won the Republican nomination to face Democrat Richard Blumenthal in what looks like a tight contest. In 2009, total sales of $475 million were down 10%. But Chief Financial Officer George Barrios proudly notes that profit margins have generally improved since he arrived in 2008. He says WWE earnings should rise when the company finds new performers that connect with its fans. "We are actually pretty happy with the way we're doing," says the financial chief. Barron's sought to speak with the McMahons without success.
When Barrios went to WWE from the New York Times in March 2008, the McMahons' business was enjoying peak revenues but spending was not under control. Sales grew 19% in the first half of that year, but operating expenses grew 37%. Cash flow (as measured by earnings before interest, taxes and depreciation) fell from about 20% of revenues to just 10% by September 2008. Spending is now more disciplined, says Barrios, and the company's cash-flow margins have been averaging near 20%.
But other crucial stats are tumbling. The number of viewers making "buys" of WWE pay-per-view broadcasts has been falling for three years. Over the same period, as the chart on this page shows, pay-per-view buys have trended up for the mixed martial-arts events of UFC. Pay-per-view is a high-margin business that contributes almost a fifth of WWE revenues but a bigger share of profits. Barrios blames the weak pay-per-view showings on a weak economy, in which the $49.95 price of an event looms larger on cable bills.
Television shows like RAW and SmackDown bring in almost a quarter of WWE revenue. Even though RAW remains one of the top-rated shows on TV, its ratings combined with those of WWE's other shows are down about 25% in three years, as shown in the orange line on this page's chart. Proliferating cable channels have fragmented audiences, says Barrios.
While hoping for a popular new star, or a revival in discretionary spending, WWE is counting on a December quarter boost from a new toy license with Mattel.
WWE's Monday-night show RAW is the longest-running prime-time series. That's not necessarily reassuring. Nor is it comforting to hear Barrios say that UFC reminds him of where WWE was 15 years ago. Facing off against younger challengers like UFC, the wrestlers of WWE look old.
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB500014...2349937646.html
Summary:
The widely-read business publication, Barron's, published a report over the weekend focusing on WWE's declining business in 2010 while faced with tough competition from the likes of UFC in the marketplace.
Included in the report are comments from WWE CFO George Barrios trying to play damage-control as WWE stock's price continues to slip closer to a 52-week low. The stock is currently trading in the mid-$13.00 range.
-- On declining PPV buys, Barrios reportedly "blames the weak pay-per-view showings on a weak economy, in which the $49.95 price of an event looms larger on cable bills."
-- On declining TV ratings in 2010 vs. 2009, especially for the flagship Raw program, Barrios said WWE's business should rise when the company "finds new performers that connect with its fans."
-- Barron's report concludes: "WWE's Monday-night show Raw is the longest-running prime-time series. That's not necessarily reassuring. Nor is it comforting to hear Barrios say that UFC reminds him of where WWE was 15 years ago. Facing off against younger challengers like UFC, the wrestlers of WWE look old."
-- WWE has a long-standing policy of high cash payouts to investors with a 10 percent dividend return. Barron's suggests "that payout seems unsustainable, since it exceeds earnings."
-- George Barrios noted in the report that "profit margins have generally improved since he arrived (as CFO) in 2008." That's mainly due to across-the-board cost-cutting measures, including WWE cutting 10 percent of its corporate workforce in early 2009.
http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_44287.shtml
In her campaign to become U.S. senator from Connecticut, Linda McMahon urges voters to consider her "real-life business experience" at World Wrestling Entertainmentthe promoter of staged brawls like SmackDown and Hell in a Cellwhere McMahon was chief executive from 1997 until last year. Upon inspection, the Stamford, Conn., company's stats don't look so buff. Pay-per-view buys, TV ratings, magazine sales and Website visits have been in decline for three years, as many fans turn to mixed martial-arts contests like the Ultimate Fighting Championship. The UFC's champions like Brock Lesnar are essentially kicking the butts of WWE superstars like John Cena.
As a result, the shares (ticker: WWE) seem overpriced at 13.97, or 20 times the earnings per share that Wall Street predicts for this year. That's a 45% premium to the S&P 500's multiple of 13.75, for a declining franchise. A market multiple would price WWE shares at less than 10. The stock's major prop is a generous 10% dividend yield. But that payout seems unsustainable, since it exceeds earnings.
"Lousy," was the word used to describe June's quarterly results in conference-call remarks by Linda's husband, Vince McMahon. He stepped in as CEO in September 2009 when she retired from the job. June revenues fell 23% from the prior-year period, to $107 million, while earnings fell by more than half, to $6.3 million, or 8 cents a share. After capital spending, free cash flow was a negative $17 million. Vince McMahon blamed travel interruptions caused by the Icelandic volcano and absent starssome of whom retired and some who, like the Undertaker, have been sidelined by injuries.
Revenues began to slip at WWE well before Linda left and eventually won the Republican nomination to face Democrat Richard Blumenthal in what looks like a tight contest. In 2009, total sales of $475 million were down 10%. But Chief Financial Officer George Barrios proudly notes that profit margins have generally improved since he arrived in 2008. He says WWE earnings should rise when the company finds new performers that connect with its fans. "We are actually pretty happy with the way we're doing," says the financial chief. Barron's sought to speak with the McMahons without success.
When Barrios went to WWE from the New York Times in March 2008, the McMahons' business was enjoying peak revenues but spending was not under control. Sales grew 19% in the first half of that year, but operating expenses grew 37%. Cash flow (as measured by earnings before interest, taxes and depreciation) fell from about 20% of revenues to just 10% by September 2008. Spending is now more disciplined, says Barrios, and the company's cash-flow margins have been averaging near 20%.
But other crucial stats are tumbling. The number of viewers making "buys" of WWE pay-per-view broadcasts has been falling for three years. Over the same period, as the chart on this page shows, pay-per-view buys have trended up for the mixed martial-arts events of UFC. Pay-per-view is a high-margin business that contributes almost a fifth of WWE revenues but a bigger share of profits. Barrios blames the weak pay-per-view showings on a weak economy, in which the $49.95 price of an event looms larger on cable bills.
Television shows like RAW and SmackDown bring in almost a quarter of WWE revenue. Even though RAW remains one of the top-rated shows on TV, its ratings combined with those of WWE's other shows are down about 25% in three years, as shown in the orange line on this page's chart. Proliferating cable channels have fragmented audiences, says Barrios.
While hoping for a popular new star, or a revival in discretionary spending, WWE is counting on a December quarter boost from a new toy license with Mattel.
WWE's Monday-night show RAW is the longest-running prime-time series. That's not necessarily reassuring. Nor is it comforting to hear Barrios say that UFC reminds him of where WWE was 15 years ago. Facing off against younger challengers like UFC, the wrestlers of WWE look old.
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB500014...2349937646.html
Summary:
The widely-read business publication, Barron's, published a report over the weekend focusing on WWE's declining business in 2010 while faced with tough competition from the likes of UFC in the marketplace.
Included in the report are comments from WWE CFO George Barrios trying to play damage-control as WWE stock's price continues to slip closer to a 52-week low. The stock is currently trading in the mid-$13.00 range.
-- On declining PPV buys, Barrios reportedly "blames the weak pay-per-view showings on a weak economy, in which the $49.95 price of an event looms larger on cable bills."
-- On declining TV ratings in 2010 vs. 2009, especially for the flagship Raw program, Barrios said WWE's business should rise when the company "finds new performers that connect with its fans."
-- Barron's report concludes: "WWE's Monday-night show Raw is the longest-running prime-time series. That's not necessarily reassuring. Nor is it comforting to hear Barrios say that UFC reminds him of where WWE was 15 years ago. Facing off against younger challengers like UFC, the wrestlers of WWE look old."
-- WWE has a long-standing policy of high cash payouts to investors with a 10 percent dividend return. Barron's suggests "that payout seems unsustainable, since it exceeds earnings."
-- George Barrios noted in the report that "profit margins have generally improved since he arrived (as CFO) in 2008." That's mainly due to across-the-board cost-cutting measures, including WWE cutting 10 percent of its corporate workforce in early 2009.
http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_44287.shtml
spindashing
Banned
Plywood said:
mango's are so much better than animu *otaku snort*
If it's a top star, the only ones coming to mind are Taker and Kane.
Rated-Rsuperstar
Member
No shit, now do it.
B-Rad Lascelle
Banned
That's a cop out excuse given that UFC buys have steadily increased over that same period of economic strife.RBH said:
Wonder what will get the blame here when the economy recovers?
I'm thinking they'll either prolong the Miz feud through Bragging Rights (they'll both be on Team RAW) and then transition into a program between Danielson and CM Punk stemming from the fallout of the match.jmdajr said:
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