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avatar299 said:
The draw for the Wade/Orton match is Cena's interaction with Nexus. Yeah you are supposed to be wondering will Cena follow Wade on sunday, not will Randy survive being beat up for one night.
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No, the draw is the WWE Title. But of course, Vince could shit in a bag on national television and you'd defend it.
 
Penguin said:
Also the WWE needs to drop some PPVs badly. There is no time for any type of build-up so they just recycle the same feud for 2-3 months, that doesn't entice people to buy a PPV with the same matches with diff stips.
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If they cut it to 6 PPVs a year, they would have more time to build up the matches and improve buyrates. So, expect 24 PPVs next year.
 
JdFoX187 said:
No, the draw is the WWE Title. But of course, Vince could shit in a bag on national television and you'd defend it.
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Don't act stupid. Titles aren't draws and they never have been. It's who in the match and what story they are telling coming in. If titles were draws, than every PPV, WWE, TNA, UFC, whatever could throw random people in match, say it's for the title and expect big numbers. Clearly that is not what is happening.
 
Can't wait to watch this week's ROH on HDnet - it's the episode with Davey Richards vs Tyler Black, the one match taking up an entire episode. Should easily be the best wrestling on TV this week.

Also, PWG's Battle of Los Angeles 2010 has started shipping; http://www.prowrestlingguerrilla.com/ and EVOLVE 5: Danielson vs Sawa is up for preorder; www.evolvewrestling.com

Keiji Mutoh vs Masakatsu Funaki - (AJPW 09/10/10)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y0TvcYAJXc - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGuDXsTE4nE - 2/2

In his return match from injury Keiji Mutoh (The Great Muta) faces off against Masakatsu Funaki.
 
avatar299 said:
Don't act stupid. Titles aren't draws and they never have been. It's who in the match and what story they are telling coming in. If titles were draws, than every PPV, WWE, TNA, UFC, whatever could throw random people in match, say it's for the title and expect big numbers. Clearly that is not what is happening.
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Why promote Cena being in Wade's corner larger than the actual match itself? The public humiliation stuff is rather far-fetched and just tiresome. Enough already. Why haven't the creative team pitched a better effort to build Barrett vs. Orton, rather than hype how Cena's stuck in the Nexus group and has to listen to orders. It makes the WWE title look meaningless.

Judging by this build, I'm betting it ends in DQ. Just another typical, poorly booked WWE title match.
 
avatar299 said:
Don't act stupid. Titles aren't draws and they never have been. It's who in the match and what story they are telling coming in. If titles were draws, than every PPV, WWE, TNA, UFC, whatever could throw random people in match, say it's for the title and expect big numbers. Clearly that is not what is happening.
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The moment people realize that the titles or matches don't matter is the moment they have no reason to watch a wrestling show. Ask WCW.
 
Bootaaay said:
Keiji Mutoh vs Masakatsu Funaki - (AJPW 09/10/10)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y0TvcYAJXc - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGuDXsTE4nE - 2/2

In his return match from injury Keiji Mutoh (The Great Muta) faces off against Masakatsu Funaki.
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Watching this after Raw shows an astounding difference in philosophies. Honestly, I believe that the WWE will need to head that THAT direction if they want to put any dent in the UFC machine. Obviously, they won't go as hardcore, nor should they, but the product needs to be presented in a way that makes the matches seem real. There should be an aura in the arena that "these guys are going at it, and the match could REALISTICALLY end at anytime." People should CARE about every move being performed, and constantly be surprised by a wrestler ending a match with different moves instead of always anticipating the SAME exact TIRED routine that Hogan perfected, and John Cena has worn out.

Something I actually didn't like about that match, and every time I see it in general, is that once a wrestler is in a submission, particularly one that could easily be escaped by simply striking the other wrestler, he just accepts it. I don't know if it's to show some kind of sportsmanship, but I'd prefer if Wrestler A would simply fight out of a move instead of going for the ropes, or trying to flip it. In any case, the WWE relies too heavily on the "Entertainment" part of their name to a point that most matches aren't even remotely believable. Daniel Bryan for example knows how to make a brawl, or a submission situation realistic looking as hell. I want to see more of that.

/rant
 
Striker said:
Why promote Cena being in Wade's corner larger than the actual match itself? The public humiliation stuff is rather far-fetched and just tiresome. Enough already. Why haven't the creative team pitched a better effort to build Barrett vs. Orton, rather than hype how Cena's stuck in the Nexus group and has to listen to orders. It makes the WWE title look meaningless.

Judging by this build, I'm betting it ends in DQ. Just another typical, poorly booked WWE title match.
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Because Cena and his run in nexus is the bigger draw. People are watching Nexus to see how Cena and Wade interact, hell you can tell by reading this board whenever Wade humiliates Cena.

Barret vs Orton with 2 weeks build. No one will care.

Barret vs Orton, with John Cena, one of the most popular wrestlers today, the man that has built a feud with Wade for close to 6 months in Wade's corner to potentially screw Orton or be fired/punished. That has sizzle and steak. There is no reason to ditch a 6 month storyline to cram something through in 2 weeks.

And it does not make the title meaningless. Titles are devalued when they are disrespected or ignored, not when they are defended. Wade going after the title puts value on the title right there. If you guys were so worried about the value of titles, why no complaints over the fact that Daniel Bryan, instead of defending his title at BR is wrestling a meaningless non-title match against Dolph Ziggler?

Rated-Rsuperstar said:
The moment people realize that the titles or matches don't matter is the moment they have no reason to watch a wrestling show. Ask WCW.
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Except that isn't happening here so whatever
 
And it does not make the title meaningless. Titles are devalued when they are disrespected or ignored, not when they are defended. Wade going after the title puts value on the title right there.
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The title has been ignored. The focus on the WWE title disappeared the moment Cena lost it to Sheamus. Everything has been centered around Cena first and the title second. And finally after 7 months of dragging their feet with the Nexus storyline has the title finally come back into play.

If you guys were so worried about the value of titles, why no complaints over the fact that Daniel Bryan, instead of defending his title at BR is wrestling a meaningless non-title match against Dolph Ziggler?
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The IC and US belts are worthless. WWE has made it clear that they don't mean anything. Hell they threw this match together 6 days before the ppv without a second thought. And people do complain, we all complained 2 weeks ago when Bryan was squashed 24 hours after winning the belt.

Except that isn't happening here so whatever
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Except it is happening. This company has been in a decline for 10 years since they moved from wrestling to entertainment.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Something I actually didn't like about that match, and every time I see it in general, is that once a wrestler is in a submission, particularly one that could easily be escaped by simply striking the other wrestler, he just accepts it. I don't know if it's to show some kind of sportsmanship, but I'd prefer if Wrestler A would simply fight out of a move instead of going for the ropes, or trying to flip it.
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Yeah, it's a show of sportsmanship, but it's also about wanting to cleanly escape a hold and transition to one of your own - I'm not too fond of those sections either, depending on the participants, and sometimes they can drag on and on, but you often see it in face vs face situations with two technical wrestlers.
 
Bootaaay said:
Yeah, it's a show of sportsmanship, but it's also about wanting to cleanly escape a hold and transition to one of your own - I'm not too fond of those sections either, depending on the participants, and sometimes they can drag on and on, but you often see it in face vs face situations with two technical wrestlers.
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I get trying to transition into another hold cleanly, but I would enjoy it more if they did it with a sense of urgency instead of it looking blatantly like a resthold or w/e. It works in some situations like a simple sleeper, but face to face leg locks where the wrestler on the receiving end takes 45+ seconds to counter when a simple series of strikes could've freed him just irks me.
 
what a piece of shit linda is. she's been using attack ads since like last year against the democrats, and now that they fire back showing the underbelly of her company, roids, wrestler deaths, unhealthy and poorly paid conditions of her workers she's using vince to tell the "wwe universe to stand up" on wwe.com?

what a joke, cant wait for her to lose this shit and her terrible campaign to end.
 
cjelly said:
I don't 'get' this Stand Up For WWE thing.

What am I standing up for? What has happened all of a sudden.
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she tried attacking her opponent, got slapped back by this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBv3mUXM8aM

so now she's using this stand up garbage to claw back some votes. she had a 3 point lead in september, now she's losing by 12, so this is basically one of their last ditch efforts to get some votes, http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/1...leading-linda-mcmahon-by-12-points-in-conn-s/
 
Linda is failing at life, so WWE now wants its fans to be loyal to their product, although they forget that they deserted us years ago and now we laugh at their misfortune.
 
I want to ask an honest question to you guys, and I'll probably get flamed for it but fuck it.

Do you guys honestly hate Linda for running for senator? I mean I can only imagine that it's been a long time dream for her. I mean this "Stand Up" routine is kind of dry, but I do get the point -- although I am a firm believer in voting on someone not because of name/gender/popularity amongst people around you, but from your own perspectives. I have not heard/read any of Linda's political endeavors, though and I am also wondering if she is doing a good job at it. I can only imagine that she's doing the best she can amidst being reminded of the past horrid angles the WWE has, but that is just my assumption of what's going down.
 
spindashing said:
I can only imagine that she's doing the best she can amidst being reminded of the past horrid angles the WWE has, but that is just my assumption of what's going down.
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:lol if you think that looks like vince's ads worked like a charm

- first she is dumb enough to run for the republicans in new england, home of the democrats and the only reason she got picked was because she had the ability to use wwe money to run ads and an endless reserve fund called vince.
- she basically bought the republican nomination using Zack Ryder, Evan bourne, MVP's salaries.
- she has been spamming attack ads about richard blumenthal for the last year, turn on the local tv here and you'll see a ad that tells you about how terrible of a person richard is every 5 mins, and it ends with "im linda mcmahon, and i approve this message"
- she got gullible people hyped up early, but now that the sensible people are starting to come into the picture and the democrats fired back at her, she acts like a hypocrite and claims to be a victim

so now that she's losing her "dream" (to get corporate tax breaks for herself and her cronies), what does she do? come crawling back to wwe to use her onscreen persona to get a leverage....even though she distanced herself from the wwe when she was trying to get the nomination in the first place.

SCUM OF THE EARTH
 
Lunchbox said:
:lol if you think that looks like vince's ads worked like a charm

- first she is dumb enough to run for the republicans in new england, home of the democrats and the only reason she got picked was because she had the ability to use wwe money to run ads and an endless reserve fund called vince.
- she basically bought the republican nomination using Zack Ryder, Evan bourne, MVP's salaries.
- she has been spamming attack ads about richard blumenthal for the last year, turn on the local tv here and you'll see a ad that tells you about how terrible of a person richard is every 5 mins, and it ends with "im linda mcmahon, and i approve this message"
- she got gullible people hyped up early, but now that the sensible people are starting to come into the picture and the democrats fired back at her, she acts like a hypocrite and claims to be a victim

so now that she's losing her "dream" (to get corporate tax breaks for herself and her cronies), what does she do? come crawling back to wwe to use her onscreen persona to get a leverage....even though she distanced herself from the wwe when she was trying to get the nomination in the first place.

SCUM OF THE EARTH
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Alright. Well, like I said, I have not been keeping up with her campaign at all but from the sounds of it, put me on the Linda hate train too. :lol
 
Lunchbox said:
- she basically bought the republican nomination using Zack Ryder, Evan bourne, MVP's salaries.
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It's pretty inexpensive then, huh?

Also, as far as crawling back goes, probably 90% of the audience would mark out if Rock 'came crawling back' to ask for people to go see his films. What's the difference?
 
bjork said:
It's pretty inexpensive then, huh?

Also, as far as crawling back goes, probably 90% of the audience would mark out if Rock 'came crawling back' to ask for people to go see his films. What's the difference?
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the rock probably wont diss other peoples movies while doing that. and he probably wont get pissy when other people come to raw to promote their movies
 
Lunchbox said:
:lol if you think that looks like vince's ads worked like a charm

- first she is dumb enough to run for the republicans in new england, home of the democrats and the only reason she got picked was because she had the ability to use wwe money to run ads and an endless reserve fund called vince.
- she basically bought the republican nomination using Zack Ryder, Evan bourne, MVP's salaries.
- she has been spamming attack ads about richard blumenthal for the last year, turn on the local tv here and you'll see a ad that tells you about how terrible of a person richard is every 5 mins, and it ends with "im linda mcmahon, and i approve this message"
- she got gullible people hyped up early, but now that the sensible people are starting to come into the picture and the democrats fired back at her, she acts like a hypocrite and claims to be a victim

so now that she's losing her "dream" (to get corporate tax breaks for herself and her cronies), what does she do? come crawling back to wwe to use her onscreen persona to get a leverage....even though she distanced herself from the wwe when she was trying to get the nomination in the first place.

SCUM OF THE EARTH
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Typical republican stuff here. Nothing new.
 
Lunchbox said:
the rock probably wont diss other peoples movies while doing that. and he probably wont get pissy when other people come to raw to promote their movies
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No, he'd be too busy shitting on the talent that's actually active. Way to give back.
 
JdFoX187[B said:
]No, the draw is the WWE Title.[/B] But of course, Vince could shit in a bag on national television and you'd defend it.
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it is?
I disagree. Just look at Wrestlemania. There have been plenty where the title isn't the most important thing. This is pro wrestling and what draws are the story lines. Always have always will. How important is the title when you have pre-determined outcomes? You have to keep the people interested in other ways also. I'm also NOT saying the title doesn't matter at all, there's just way more to it than that.
 
I think the best thing for the WWE right now is for Linda to lose. They're waaaay too cautious and paranoid with the spotlight on them because of the campaign, and it's clearly hurting the product (good example is wasting 5 minutes of television time on a go-home show for a useless, pat-on-the-back promo).

If she loses, then hopefully they can relax a little bit and not be so concerned about proving how goddamn, motherfucking PG they are! :lol
 
Penguin said:
Seems like the fans in attendance got to see Bret after the cameras stopped rolling.

Also the WWE needs to drop some PPVs badly. There is no time for any type of build-up so they just recycle the same feud for 2-3 months, that doesn't entice people to buy a PPV with the same matches with diff stips.
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The WWE needs to go back to single brand PPV's and start booking storylines for the entire roster. PPV's now are two world title matches, 2 main event level non title matches, some divas crap and like one more match that no thought was put into booking.
 
krae_man said:
The WWE needs to go back to single brand PPV's and start booking storylines for the entire roster. PPV's now are two world title matches, 2 main event level non title matches, some divas crap and like one more match that no thought was put into booking.
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I'm all for that.
 
Striker said:
Why promote Cena being in Wade's corner larger than the actual match itself? The public humiliation stuff is rather far-fetched and just tiresome. Enough already. Why haven't the creative team pitched a better effort to build Barrett vs. Orton, rather than hype how Cena's stuck in the Nexus group and has to listen to orders. It makes the WWE title look meaningless.

Judging by this build, I'm betting it ends in DQ. Just another typical, poorly booked WWE title match.
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1)Promoting Cena in Wade's Corner is that people are wanting to know if Cena is going to help Wade win and having less reluctancy in becoming full on Nexus member.

2)The public humiliation isn't far fetched at all watch this
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/undercover-boss-usa/4od#3129606The guy forced his staff to eat beans without their hands in order to go home soon. Theres bosses all way round the world at humiliate their staff.

3) Firstly its been built as Cena will have to attack Orton in order to get Wade the title.
 
R-Truth was not on Raw tonight because he is prohibited from entering Canada due to a prior offense on his criminal record. -pwinsider

edit: already posted. sorries
 
I'd say the belt is more important on Smackdown, but even there, it's involved in a feud that would most likely be the "attention grabber" of the show even if Kane was not champion. Even I myself would only tune in to Smackdown only to see the Taker and Kane feud; I'm not really interested in anything else on that show, to tell the truth.The belts are as useless as a broken pencil right now and I'm surprised it took me this long to realize it.
 
I remember when Lance Storm was one of the very few highlights of WCW in 2000, an otherwise horrific year for that company.

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Aries vs Yoshino signed for the DGUSA iPPV!

Dragon Gate USA presents; Bushido - Code of the Warrior - live on iPPV on October 29th - $14.99

http://www.gofightlive.tv/Events/Fight/Wrestling/Dragon_Gate_Bushido_Code_Of_The_Warrior/804

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BxB Hulk (c) vs SHINGO - BxB Hulk defends the Open the Freedom Gate Championship against SHINGO in the main event!

Warriors International (CIMA & Genki Horiguchi) vs KAMIKAZE USA (YAMATO & Akira Tozawa)

Austin Aries vs Masato Yoshino

Jimmy Jacobs vs John Moxley - I Quit Match

Brodie Lee & Sumo Legend Akebono vs The Osirian Portal

Also signed; Homicide; Ricochet; Chuck Taylor; Johnny Gargano; Arik Cannon; Sami Callihan; Scott Reed; Tommaso Ciampo and more to be added.

Looking like a fantastic card, you'd have to be mad to pass up this PPV. Hulk vs SHINGO is a re-match of a definite match-of-the-year candidate, Warriors vs KAMIKAZE should prove to be Dragon Gate tag action at it's finest, Aries vs Yoshino is a dream battle between two of wrestlings best workers, while seeing CHIKARA's own The Osirian Portal bump like crazy for Brodie Lee and freaking Akebono should be hilarious! Can't wait for this one.
 
RBH said:
I remember when Lance Storm was one of the very few highlights of WCW in 2000, an otherwise horrific year for that company.

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This was seriously one of the greatest gimmicks ever. Lance having 3 belts and renaming them all was fucking awesome. If he could have won the world title it would have been even more amazing.
 
Kusagari said:
This was seriously one of the greatest gimmicks ever. Lance having 3 belts and renaming them all was fucking awesome. If he could have won the world title it would have been even more amazing.
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I have some friends that were into this gimmick too and we still tell people we're from Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

Good writing can make anyone incredible.
 
jmdajr said:
he was in the spirit squad :lol
I didn't know. For reals no one stood out for me when that group existed.
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Probably not thought he was looks like a tool, in a reality i'm sure he is grateful he still has a job.

Something IWC is that everyone has to be a main eventer, hes playing his undercard position very well.
 
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