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[gnrmjd]

Those are/were dream matches?

Yes. Punk/Lesnar to me was a much bigger match than Lesnar/Cena or Lesnar/HHH...I dunno...Punk is the modern star that best seemed to match up with Lesnar. They both have the mixed style....the knack for realism in their matches....great story-telling abilities...both have mixed styles, with Lesnar as power/speed/striking, and Punk as technical/speed/striking...both have the Heyman connection...Punk rocks the mic, Lesnar has that presence...I dunno they just seemed like they'd have an amazing and raw match which they did...

Cena/Bryan...THE WWE guy...vs THE indy guy....both match up well in style, and both represent completely different things.

I consider them both dream matches.

 

[jmdajr]

heh

edit: hook that guy up with something from japan.amirite?

 

[gurudyne]

Brock/Lesnar

Don't know what you're talking about---I would kill for a Beast-on-Beast Clone Take All match

 

[gnrmjd]

I guess I should phrase it better to say that Cena/Bryan is a dream match as far as what it represents. Daniel Bryan was the face of the indys, THE most popular ROH guy or at least the one you heard the most about (Joe, Punk also were up there).

He's now facing the face of the WWE for the WWE championship in a major pay-per-view match? Even back when Bryan was tearing up the indys while Cena was the face of the biggest wrestling company in the world....the idea that they'd face off in a main event match was unbelievable.

So yes, I consider it a dream match. People underrate Cena. He had an amazing match with Punk, and a great match with Bryan.

I actually can't think of many more interesting potential matchups in WWE than Punk/Lesnar and Cena/Bryan both for the first time. I don't think they'll beat that for years as a double main event for any pay-per-view. Maybe Wrestlemania 28 with HHH/Taker HIAC, Rock/Cena, and Punk/Jericho? When else has any double main event surpassed those two in years?

 

[jmdajr]

Don't know what you're talking about---I would kill for a Beast-on-Beast Clone Take All match

lol sorry type-o

It would be great though! WWE Brock vs UFC Brock.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

Hello Wrassl'GAF! I've been lurking for a while, but then I remembered that I actually had a GAF account so I figured I should finally join in on the craziness. Right now I watch WWE (Raw, Smackdown, NXT) and when I'm really, REALLY bored, TNA. I'm interested in watching some indie wrestilng and new japan pro, I just don't know where to watch.

 

[strobogo]

I think I would be actually upset if WWE ends up buying TNA and pays more for it than it did for WCW.

 

[Data West]

Hello Wrassl'GAF! I've been lurking for a while, but then I remembered that I actually had a GAF account so I figured I should finally join in on the craziness. Right now I watch WWE (Raw, Smackdown, NXT) and when I'm really, REALLY bored, TNA. I'm interested in watching some indie wrestilng and new japan pro, I just don't know where to watch.

Hola, you'll be happy to know that most indie companies stream their events now for a modest fee. However, indy streams can be iffy so make sure to check around to see who's good at it and who isn't. NJPW also streams their events, and they give you ... I think 24 hours? To watch it, so you don't have to catch it live. They also upload a few minor matches to their youtube.

 

[jmdajr]

Hello Wrassl'GAF! I've been lurking for a while, but then I remembered that I actually had a GAF account so I figured I should finally join in on the craziness. Right now I watch WWE (Raw, Smackdown, NXT) and when I'm really, REALLY bored, TNA. I'm interested in watching some indie wrestilng and new japan pro, I just don't know where to watch.

Welcome. No doubt you will get the help you so desire.

....

You like HHH right?

 

[Man God]

I think I would be actually upset if WWE ends up buying TNA and pays more for it than it did for WCW.

Well there's inflation to worry about plus the fact that all the TNA roster is presumably included in the deal while in WCW most of the top stars had deals through Turner instead.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

Hola, you'll be happy to know that most indie companies stream their events now for a modest fee. However, indy streams can be iffy so make sure to check around to see who's good at it and who isn't. NJPW also streams their events, and they give you ... I think 24 hours? To watch it, so you don't have to catch it live. They also upload a few minor matches to their youtube.

Cool, I'll be sure to check out that youtube.

Welcome. No doubt you will get the help you so desire.

....

You like HHH right?

 

[bjork]

I guess I'm just out of the loop, because back when I was in deep, dream match was like HBK v Sting or Hulk v Austin, Goldberg v Austin, etc. Maybe like Bret/Angle, though that was more of a fantasy thing since Bret was basically inactive by the time Angle rose up. But it was like a big match feel surrounding people even discussing it, where with Punk/Brock it's like, Punk was coming off fighting Undertaker or whatever, of course they're going to do that. Cena is Hogan to Bryan's Piper or something, of course they're going to do that.

Maybe I'm just older so I look at it with a more cynical eye, or maybe it's how it's presented nowadays, or maybe I just really am out of the loop. I'd way rather see Punk/Bryan for the match itself rather than the story, but they've done that too, right?

 

[gurudyne]

Hello Wrassl'GAF! I've been lurking for a while, but then I remembered that I actually had a GAF account so I figured I should finally join in on the craziness. Right now I watch WWE (Raw, Smackdown, NXT) and when I'm really, REALLY bored, TNA. I'm interested in watching some indie wrestilng and new japan pro, I just don't know where to watch.

If you were really a lurk, you'd know how this works.

Fave Five, go.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Hello Wrassl'GAF! I've been lurking for a while, but then I remembered that I actually had a GAF account so I figured I should finally join in on the craziness. Right now I watch WWE (Raw, Smackdown, NXT) and when I'm really, REALLY bored, TNA. I'm interested in watching some indie wrestilng and new japan pro, I just don't know where to watch.

Welcome brother! I'd like to see your Fave Five. Also NJPW is available on Ustream - the OP has the info!

And since it's been so long, Bjork, I want to see your Fave Five of ALL TIME.

 

[slightconfuse]

Speaking of taka , his match with triple H is the best.

http://youtu.be/3I-iUL2IBn4

 

[JesseEwiak]

Those are/were dream matches?

Yup, this was a true dream match - as we saw by the buyrate.

Not a matches involving a skinny fat guy taking on a UFC champion and a guy who looks like a goat taking on the greatest wrestler of the past decade in kayface.

 

[gnrmjd]

I guess I'm just out of the loop, because back when I was in deep, dream match was like HBK v Sting or Hulk v Austin, Goldberg v Austin, etc. Maybe like Bret/Angle, though that was more of a fantasy thing since Bret was basically inactive by the time Angle rose up. But it was like a big match feel surrounding people even discussing it, where with Punk/Brock it's like, Punk was coming off fighting Undertaker or whatever, of course they're going to do that. Cena is Hogan to Bryan's Piper or something, of course they're going to do that.

Maybe I'm just older so I look at it with a more cynical eye, or maybe it's how it's presented nowadays, or maybe I just really am out of the loop. I'd way rather see Punk/Bryan for the match itself rather than the story, but they've done that too, right?

I dunno I guess it's just different times. Personally I don't see how anybody would want Goldberg/Austin or Hulk/Austin over Punk/Brock and Cena/Bryan...but I started watching in 2002 so don't have the same connection to Goldberg or Hogan...to me, neither of those matches would be as good.

Edit: I'm not implying that those aren't dream matches mentioned, just saying from my viewpoint of somebody who didn't watch at that time period to me I would not rather see those matches.

 

[jmdajr]

There is a distinction between Wrassle Gaf dream matches and what the masses want.

Still Punk/Brock vs D.Bry/Cena are good mixes. Big names with Indy darlings.

 

[gnrmjd]

Well obviously Cena/Rock was bigger...but Summerslam was a 1-2 punch and I'd say as a double main event it beats Cena/Rock.

I already acknowlegded Wrestlemania 28 as the only PPV in recent memory that could beat Summerslam 2013 in terms of having a double dream match main event in terms of star power.

But they're similar. Cena was the biggest star of this era, and Rock the biggest (maybe Austin but whatever) star of the attitude era.

But Cena/Bryan is a dream match in a different way. Biggest star of WWE, biggest star of indys at the same time period. The underdog story of Bryan because of that also adds to the match in my opinion.

Punk/Lesnar is different as well, but a similar thing with Lesnar representing the 2002-2004 era, and Punk the 2011-2013 era. Neither were the biggest star of the time but that made it all the more intriguing to me personally.

 

[strobogo]

Well there's inflation to worry about plus the fact that all the TNA roster is presumably included in the deal while in WCW most of the top stars had deals through Turner instead.

I think the ex-WWE guys are through Viacom. So WWE could buy TNA and still not get Sting. But really, I don't think it is really worth it to by TNA unless they get it dirt cheap. Even for the tape library. It's a bunch of bad wrestling with mostly completely unknown guys. You can do some stuff with ex-WWE/WCW/ECW guys, but outside of Christian, Angle, and the first few years of Sting, none of them did anything good in TNA. The best that could come out of it would be a Jeff Jarrett DVD in the vein of the Warrior one.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

If you were really a lurk, you'd know how this works.

Fave Five, go.

Welcome brother! I'd like to see your Fave Five.

And since it's been so long, Bjork, I want to see your Fave Five of ALL TIME.

Fave Five:

1.Shawn Micheals

2.Daniel Bryan

3.Eddie Guerrero

4.CM Punk

5.Sami Zayn (El Generico)

 

[British Monsoon]

NJPW also streams their events, and they give you ... I think 24 hours? To watch it, so you don't have to catch it live. They also upload a few minor matches to their youtube.

You get a week to watch the VOD replays.

New Japan iPPVs can be bought over at;

http://www.ustream.tv/njpw

Coming up is the Road to Power Struggle show on November 6th, which is a smaller show for $15 with the finals of the Super Jr's tag tournament. Then there's Power Struggle itself on November 9th which is $25 which, like most of the big NJPW shows this year, should be well worth the price.

Recent events usually wind up on youtube. Here's last weeks Road to Power Struggle show;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_12pOdlHvU

And the big PPV from the start of October, Destruction;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBsHnodx3L8

Lastly, here's a few youtube/dailymotion channels with a bunch of content;

http://www.dailymotion.com/JAHMAL1111
http://www.dailymotion.com/SenorLARIATO
http://www.youtube.com/user/SenorDDT
http://www.youtube.com/user/ProWrestlingAARK
http://www.youtube.com/user/PuroresuMatche2

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Fave Five:

1.Shawn Micheals

2.Daniel Bryan

3.Eddie Guerrero

4.CM Punk

5.Sami Zayn (El Generico)

Aww you like LITTLE wrestlers! Anyone with some muscle that you enjoy? FLEXXXXXXXX KAVANA

 

[Jamie OD]

heh

edit: hook that guy up with something from japan.amirite?

They won't watch because there's no English commentary. Honest to God over at the Observer board that is the excuse most people use for not watching the iPPVs. The indies on the other hand it's because they either they hate spotfests, it's too low rent or don't want to pay $15-$20 per DVD. All valid reasons, I'm just pointing them out.

 

[jmdajr]

Well there's inflation to worry about plus the fact that all the TNA roster is presumably included in the deal while in WCW most of the top stars had deals through Turner instead.

Can Sting still go? How good is he at say... taking the Pedigree?

 

[bjork]

I dunno I guess it's just different times. Personally I don't see how anybody would want Goldberg/Austin or Hulk/Austin over Punk/Brock and Cena/Bryan...but I started watching in 2002 so don't have the same connection to Goldberg or Hogan...to me, neither of those matches would be as good.

Oh, definitely. This was back in the late 90s during the last hot period, maybe even back to the mid-90s. Your WWF guys vs the NWA/WCW guys and dudes like Hulk would've still been more mobile and able to actually have matches. And matches we hadn't seen before, so it would have more of a big match feel to it. I think the last one I can remember was Brock and Goldberg at WMXX, but backstage stuff made that one turn into the disaster that it was.

Apter mags used to run fantasy matchup pieces sometimes. Gotta admit, HBK/Sting circa 1995 or so sure would've been sweet...

 

[jmdajr]

They won't watch because there's no English commentary. Honest to God over at the Observer board that is the excuse most people use for not watching the iPPVs. The indies on the other hand it's because they either they hate spotfests, it's too low rent or don't want to pay $15-$20 per DVD. All valid reasons, I'm just pointing them out.

edit: subtitles?

 

[slightconfuse]

The only dream matches I want are

Austin/punk

Brock/Bryan

Sting/taker

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

Aww you like LITTLE wrestlers! Anyone with some muscle that you enjoy? FLEXXXXXXXX KAVANA

 

[JesseEwiak]

Well obviously Cena/Rock was bigger...but Summerslam was a 1-2 punch and I'd say as a double main event it beats Cena/Rock.

I already acknowlegded Wrestlemania 28 as the only PPV in recent memory that could beat Summerslam 2013 in terms of having a double dream match main event in terms of star power.

But they're similar. Cena was the biggest star of this era, and Rock the biggest (maybe Austin but whatever) star of the attitude era.

But Cena/Bryan is a dream match in a different way. Biggest star of WWE, biggest star of indys at the same time period. The underdog story of Bryan because of that also adds to the match in my opinion.

Punk/Lesnar is different as well, but a similar thing with Lesnar representing the 2002-2004 era, and Punk the 2011-2013 era. Neither were the biggest star of the time but that made it all the more intriguing to me personally.

You're vastly overestimating Bryan's drawing power. Before his WWE run, Danielson was widely known, by tops, many 50,000 people and frankly, that's probably being way too kind. Being an indy star is not a big deal when it comes to drawing PPV buys, especially when compared to a guy who's appeared in movies that make hundred of million of dollars and was a star of the biggest drawing era in professional wrestling history.

As for Punk. To be blunt, he's a guy that looks like somebody you'd run into outside your local bar, hitting on your girlfriend creepily, not a star who can beat a former UFC champ. I love him, but most casual fans I knew gave Punk no chance.

Also, the actual storytelling going into Summerslam this year wasn't all that great. It's good for WWE in 2013, but not actually _good_.

 

[Jamie OD]

edit: subtitles?

Not just that. Actual English commentary. The ones that use that excuse are really concerned they are missing out on the storylines or why the gimmicks exist. The weird thing is from what I've been told the Japanese commentary is not that great when compared to the WWE and TNA announce teams.

 

[Ithil]

They won't watch because there's no English commentary. Honest to God over at the Observer board that is the excuse most people use for not watching the iPPVs. The indies on the other hand it's because they either they hate spotfests, it's too low rent or don't want to pay $15-$20 per DVD. All valid reasons, I'm just pointing them out.

But they'll pay $55 per throwaway PPV?

 

[jmdajr]

Also, the actual storytelling going into Summerslam this year wasn't all that great. It's good for WWE in 2013, but not actually _good_.

Punk/Bork had some build, but it's hard to when Bork only has so many dates.

D.Bry/Cena was basically. 'I Choose Daniel Bryan". That;s it.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

http://media.gamebandits.com/images/2011/10/lesnarwwe.jpg

Good call, battle brother. For the Imperium!

 

[gnrmjd]

Punk/Bork had some build, but it's hard to when Bork only has so many dates.

D.Bry/Cena was basically. 'I Choose Daniel Bryan". That;s it.

I thought their joint segment on Miz TV was amazing.

 

[JesseEwiak]

But they'll pay $55 per throwaway PPV?

They aren't buying WWE PPV's either.

 

[Jamie OD]

But they'll pay $55 per throwaway PPV?

Going by the feedback to HIAC on the Observer front page, they don't pay for it at all.

 

[jmdajr]

Not just that. Actual English commentary. The ones that use that excuse are really concerned they are missing out on the storylines or why the gimmicks exist. The weird thing is from what I've been told the Japanese commentary is not that great when compared to the WWE and TNA announce teams.

For me it's just no time and well.... no real interest. When you have such a vast history with one company it's hard to just jump off into something else. And unlike most, I'm fine with the WWE product. High and Lows but always enough to keep me around.

That's not to say I ONLY watched WWE, back in the day I saw WCW/NWA too, but yeah these days my attention can only go so far. Plus WWE is pretty convenient to watch. It's included on basic cable, hulu (which is cheap), and I can watch the events at the bar.

 

[G-Fex]

What is a Plywood? A miserable pile of pornstars?

well you're the guy whos good with porn stars on a first name basis. I on the other hand am with cosplay girls.

 

[bjork]

But Cena/Bryan is a dream match in a different way. Biggest star of WWE, biggest star of indys at the same time period. The underdog story of Bryan because of that also adds to the match in my opinion.

Punk/Lesnar is different as well, but a similar thing with Lesnar representing the 2002-2004 era, and Punk the 2011-2013 era. Neither were the biggest star of the time but that made it all the more intriguing to me personally.

It's hard for me to buy into the underdog story for anyone so long as Cena's around, because Cena won't go away. So even if they push a guy to the moon, you know Cena can still squash him and cut some dumb promo laughing it off, and somehow that's good for a guy's character. Not that Bryan isn't good, but anyone in that role was not going to get the same rub they might've from a different megaface.

I look at Brock as a cash grab on both ends more than anything. Limited dates, he already bailed on them once to go try other things that didn't pan out, so here's easy money. Putting Heyman in the mix makes for great promo work between him and Punk, so the story is at least something you want to see unfold.

Don't mind me, I'm kinda jaded, heh. The important thing is that people enjoy it, and people do, so I guess it can't be all bad.

 

[jmdajr]

I thought their joint segment on Miz TV was amazing.

Aja, there's the problem!

HAHAHA, poor MIZ. We joke about burials but that's a TROO burial. I'm thinking Vince just got tired for his sloppiness. I don't know.

 

[Perspicacity]

They won't watch because there's no English commentary. Honest to God over at the Observer board that is the excuse most people use for not watching the iPPVs. The indies on the other hand it's because they either they hate spotfests, it's too low rent or don't want to pay $15-$20 per DVD. All valid reasons, I'm just pointing them out.

I can watch New Japan and totally enjoy it for what it is, but even for more it is incredibly difficult to follow and the language does place a pretty high barrier to entry.

The one thing I'd recommend more people try is going to live local wrestling. Yes it is everything bad and all of the worst fans are going to be there, but it is a totally different experience and unique to any other performance or sport you could attend. Also it can be interesting seeing guys go from your local indy then start appearing on bigger promotions or NXT/WWE.

 

[charsace]

Well obviously Cena/Rock was bigger...but Summerslam was a 1-2 punch and I'd say as a double main event it beats Cena/Rock.

I already acknowlegded Wrestlemania 28 as the only PPV in recent memory that could beat Summerslam 2013 in terms of having a double dream match main event in terms of star power.

But they're similar. Cena was the biggest star of this era, and Rock the biggest (maybe Austin but whatever) star of the attitude era.

But Cena/Bryan is a dream match in a different way. Biggest star of WWE, biggest star of indys at the same time period. The underdog story of Bryan because of that also adds to the match in my opinion.

Punk/Lesnar is different as well, but a similar thing with Lesnar representing the 2002-2004 era, and Punk the 2011-2013 era. Neither were the biggest star of the time but that made it all the more intriguing to me personally.

In regards to star power the Rock and Cena aren't on equal footing. The Rock is the biggest thing in the history of wrestling while Cena is a tier below Hogan and Stone Cold.

 

[jmdajr]

well you're the guy whos good with porn stars on a first name basis. I on the other hand am with cosplay girls.

Some of those cosplay girls look absolutely incredible. I know people say stuff like
"well why don't just watch porn bro if your going to be looking at that."

I just think that train of thought is dumb. Sexy but not porn can be very appealing.

 

[Jamie OD]

For me it's just no time and well.... no real interest. When you have such a vast history with one company it's hard to just jump off into something else. And unlike most, I'm fine with the WWE product. High and Lows but always enough to keep me around.

That's not to say I ONLY watched WWE, back in the day I saw WCW/NWA too, but yeah these days my attention can only go so far. Plus WWE is pretty convenient to watch. It's included on basic cable, hulu (which is cheap), and I can watch the events at the bar.

WWE now has so much content on a weekly basis that there is something for to like for everybody if you are willing to look for it. One thing I learned from TNA's failed move to Monday nights is most wrestling fans just want a good show to watch on TV every week.

 

[charsace]

Brock has been wasted in the WWE so far. His promo work in the UFC and in ring trolling were great. The WWE restrains him in the area of showmanship.

 

[Perspicacity]

Piss

 

[jmdajr]

Piss

LOL I was going to post this

 

[strobogo]

Can Sting still go? How good is he at say... taking the Pedigree?

 

[British Monsoon]

The one thing I'd recommend more people try is going to live local wrestling. Yes it is everything bad and all of the worst fans are going to be there, but it is a totally different experience and unique to any other performance or sport you could attend.

I agree, going to see wrestling live has been an awesome experience for me. I'm probably spoiled living so close to London, but the shows on offer have well exceeded my expectations so far, I'd definitely encourage everyone to at least check out the local promotions in their area.