Haint
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Ah cool, it must be the stand alone package. + and - change adjust your IPD in the SDK version.
Oculus Rift - Dev Kit Discussion [Orders Arriving]
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Ah cool, it must be the stand alone package. + and - change adjust your IPD in the SDK version.
I don't have the balance that intuition is telling me I'd need for that thing.
Is there a console? Can you put noclip (or the unity equivalent) into it?
I had a chance to pledge right when the KS went up, but I thought it would be kind of jank and unusable by someone that wasn't a developer. Then people started using the thing at tradeshows, and now I'm kicking myself. Oh well. Someone has had their Rift paid for by the Rift (if they choose to go that route).
Sis Focaccia
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In 5 years VR will be off the hinges, peach pears plums oringes
Ebay watch: $660 with an entire day left. FML.
Edit: $680
That's my short term dream. That, or dual 2560xWhatever panels that are somehow synced with enough accuracy (low enough latency) that they're useful for VR.
Edit: $680
in 5 years i want 4K OLED VR
That's my short term dream. That, or dual 2560xWhatever panels that are somehow synced with enough accuracy (low enough latency) that they're useful for VR.
Same. I even had the 275 (DIY kit) ready for checkout on the Amazon page, but then I stupidly backed out. And I knew they would be selling for crazy money on ebay. Not sure what I was thinking.
xn0
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Both Brendan Iribe and Palmer Luckey have stated that the Oculus Rift consumer version is likely 2 to 3 years away as recently as CES 2013. I'm just being realistic that it will be 3 to 5 years before we see the Rift in stores. Both have said several times that they do want to go into consumer production until there is enough support for it. Sure they could probably rush a consumer version to market in the next year but it would likely fail, due to cost and lack of support. Its best to have the dev kits in game developers hands for over a year to work out issues make the product better, and gain support and a backlog of games before releasing a niche product like the rift.
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Sis Focaccia
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We don't really know if the Rift will be its own system, a partnership with Valve or what'll happen... they've also hinted at developing haptics and looking into other controller options, positioning tracking and other stuff that is not yet official.
But I still believe they'll release it about a year from now. Why not? I'm sure the launch lineup would be good enough to be commercially viable. A decent driving game, some kind of simulator package, a few ports and a few apps... hell, they could probably sell out all the kits they can produce for christmas 2013, if they wanted to
But I still believe they'll release it about a year from now. Why not? I'm sure the launch lineup would be good enough to be commercially viable. A decent driving game, some kind of simulator package, a few ports and a few apps... hell, they could probably sell out all the kits they can produce for christmas 2013, if they wanted to
Huw_Dawson
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I wouldn't be shocked if we saw an "updated dev kit" in 2014 as opposed to a true consumer release. Then 2015 for a 100% awesome consumer kit with all of the kinks ironed out and tonnes of hype built up.
I work in electronic retail, and the reason we sell so many Pi boards, for example, is that they have entered the enthusiasty-public's minds as this neat thing to have. Launching before the public know what the hell it is is suicide. Even if they sold like hot cakes for a few months, the massive lack of supporting software would drive people away from the concept. And you can bet that we'll be wading through the "IT CAUSES DEATH" media idiocy before it will be accepted too, just like Glass is enduring at the moment.
I am waiting for an improved screen before I buy one, really. I'd be happy to jump on the train when I could get something like 1024x768 or 1280x1024 per eye.
I work in electronic retail, and the reason we sell so many Pi boards, for example, is that they have entered the enthusiasty-public's minds as this neat thing to have. Launching before the public know what the hell it is is suicide. Even if they sold like hot cakes for a few months, the massive lack of supporting software would drive people away from the concept. And you can bet that we'll be wading through the "IT CAUSES DEATH" media idiocy before it will be accepted too, just like Glass is enduring at the moment.
I am waiting for an improved screen before I buy one, really. I'd be happy to jump on the train when I could get something like 1024x768 or 1280x1024 per eye.
I think we know almost for certain that it will be a PC peripheral. After all, the devkit is helping to get PC games made that support it.
Valve could already own a pretty sizable chunk of the venture for all we know. Something spooked Zenimax after all.
I'm thinking CES 2014 for the announcement of the thing and maybe closer to E3 for the launch.
Doesn't the consumer version offers 1080p per eye?
Huw_Dawson
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We don't know! It could be 4k and launch in 2025 for all we know. It could directly tap into your corneas. It could come with that PS2 hand location sensing thing I tried out at a GAME once.
Did anyone actually buy that junk?
No one knows what the consumer version will offer, but the current speculation is one 1080p display, so 960x1080 per eye.
Angry Fork
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Can someone explain the limitations of this for me? The final consumer version I mean. Like if I wanted to play TF2 at 1080p/60fps, would it be 60fps in the device? Do you have to lower the resolution in-game and then it's going to be blurrier?
Almost certainly not. It will most likely be a 1080p screen (1920x1080) with the horizontal resolution split between both eyes (960x1080 per eye).
Edit: beaten
The resolution is split between two eyes. Your computer will render the scene twice at half the horizontal resolution of whatever panel they use, and the full vertical resolution. So each eye is seeing 60 individual frames per second, offset for 3D.
KojiKnight
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A lot of optimism on where this will be in the next 5 years... but I'm not hearing any hype anywhere except from the deepest darkest pits of the internet. I hope beyond hope that not only will this technology meet my expectations (never used one yet) but that it does catch on... just because something is a good idea is no guarantee that it'll pan out in the long run.
That is what I mean.^^
The major limitation is resolution, even in the consumer device, to a lesser degree. Even though it will (presumably) offer the same 1080p you have on your TV/PC, it will be over a much larger view area, thus the effective resolution per degree of your field of view will be significantly smaller.
Honest question, where would you expect to hear hype about a developer kit? Unless you work at a game development studio or the graphics group of a university.
Think of it this way: It will either be a niche PC product (ala Track IR) with support from a few key games and a price tag to match, or it will be a more widespread product with a lower price tag (due to economies of scale) and more support from a wider variety of games.
It's happening either way.
I'm not the nomenclature police, but I think that would be 960p.
Sis Focaccia
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It will catch on for sure. Most people don't know what this is, and so the implications of the technology are not clear to them. At this point, unless you've been hands on, you need an interest for the technology and a sense of imagination to even recognize what it is. This technology will be ready for prime time in about 1-2 years (with adequate tracking of hands, haptics etc), and when that happens, this thing will be the hottest thing around. Everyone would like to try it out, and the versatility of use is immense. Training of all sorts (like driving), curing phobias, Google street view, meditation apps, excercise, education and of course... the glorious VR arcades.
KojiKnight
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You expect big "game changers" to be everywhere. For example, the original Wii was everywhere in the year leading up to the release including being on many news stations, talk shows, etc etc.
Even in a developers state you'd expect something that is supposed to revolutionize the largest entertainment industry (in the US anyways) would be getting a lot more attention.
Admittedly, it is, by it's nature, something that's hard to show off on TV or the like.
My point was simply, there are a lot of people counting their chickens before they hatch. Consumers are fickle, even if this technology pans out and is everything it says and more, it could be snubbed by the masses simply because they don't like how the outer shell looks. Or how it might make them look foolish waving their arms around. There is a certain stigma that VR gained due to it's portrayal in the late 80's and 90's.
Ebay Watch: $710
This is a Kickstarter based dev kit and it showed up on Jimmy Fallon. I don't know how much more exposure a piece of developer kit can accomplish.
This is a Kickstarter based dev kit and it showed up on Jimmy Fallon. I don't know how much more exposure a piece of developer kit can accomplish.
If anyone's wondering how bad the screen door effect and resolution are, someone on reddit managed to capture it pretty well in this youtube video (be sure to switch to 1080p and full screen): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG8a0oOlAog
KojiKnight
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I hadn't realized it had been on Jimmy Fallon so that's at least something.
Doesn't look too bad... though dem pixels are what's making sure I sit this out till there is a higher res consumer model.
That looks better than I had feared based on some still photographs of the view from inside the Rift. The trail on the reticle is a bit concerning if it isn't just an artifact of the camera, but from a piece of duct taped together kit to this...I'm impressed.
Sis Focaccia
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This is one phenomenon where I truly believe the hype. Once it's out, word of mouth will be insane. In some of the reaction videos people have tears in their eyes, after testing what is simply a demo of a landscape. When you have more thoroughly designed experiences, it gets much more powerful. When they roll out the haptics and position tracking as well, this will become the hottest thing since movies or records
This is a very good representation of what to expect with the screen door effect.
One interesting thing is that the trail/ghost of the reticule and gun seem to be everywhere, but when the sniper gets backstabbed at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG8a0oOlAog&feature=player_detailpage#t=133s he INSTANTLY vanishes as far as I can tell, no ghost involved. How bad does the ghosting appear when wearing the unit, and is it different with TF2 compared to the other demos?
If there is ghosting like that during the game I've honestly never noticed it. There is some motion blur, i.e. if you turn your head quickly, things will get a little blurry until you stop moving, but I think the ghosting on the reticule must come from the camera or something or I am not very observant. I will look closer the next time I play.
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kittens
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Super jealous of everyone who has a kit.
Thanks. Good find.
As I thought, the caveat is definetly there. And the dev kit is definetly limited on that front. But it does little to really diminish the overall effect.
Personally, I think if I play without my glasses, resolution and screen door issues will become moot!
I go away to watch GOT for an hour and people lose their got'damn minds.
Color me super jealous at this point.
I would sell a Rift for a grand in a second if I had one. I'd get itchy as the third party driver support came online and games like Skyrim and ME became somewhat playable, but I could will it out until May/June and the general availability on their site.
Someone posted this on the MTBS forums. It's a kid's first reaction trying the Rift. Priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmLpzfHjGGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmLpzfHjGGU
call_kotaku
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Written summary of Abrash's GDC talk, dunno if it's been posted already.
Very interesting, focusing almost entirely on issues of head mounted displays
Very interesting, focusing almost entirely on issues of head mounted displays
This kid nearly gave me a heart attack. Not because of anything he did, but because I had unplugged my headphones from my computer and plugged them into my TV for Game of Thrones and I realized mid-video that I never plugged them back into the computer. I thought it was some kind of wizardry allowing me to hear the video through the headphones...
My video card is plugged in via HDMI. I feel so stupid right now, not only because I didn't realize I could just leave them plugged into the TV and not have to keep switching, but because I had to think about it for so long after it happened.
How high are you right now?
Probably a bit drunk. That didn't really contribute to my shock and awe though.
It's not just the resolution, it's the 'fill factor' that causes that screen door effect.
You can imagine that if you are just showing, say, a solid block of color on a menu screen -- you shouldn't see pixels even at a very low resolution. But that isn't the case because it's really the space between the pixels that is the problem.
Though going to 1080 will likely mean the screen also has a better fill factor.
You can imagine that if you are just showing, say, a solid block of color on a menu screen -- you shouldn't see pixels even at a very low resolution. But that isn't the case because it's really the space between the pixels that is the problem.
Though going to 1080 will likely mean the screen also has a better fill factor.