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[*Splinter]

Remember that we can't change votes please.

OA doesn't need to worry about a pile on because he's scum himself.

He's right that I've been wrong a lot. I think the only good call I've made all game was Gorlak, everything else has been horribly wrong.

On the other hand, you can't be wrong if you don't make the effort in the first place. The fact that I've been so astoundingly wrong only highlights how many hard stances I've taken throughout the game. I'd like to point out that we, as a team, have also been entirely wrong this game (except for Star Sketch), it's a push to call it a scumtell, even more so to drop an unchangeable vote for it.

Inb4 he claims he forgot about not being able to change

 

[*Splinter]

In case anyone else is thinking of voting: I do have a role to claim.

A role that OA apparently has no interest in hearing about, despite the gravity of the situation.

 

[Sophia]

While I would be fine with voting Splinter, the fact you did it so early is a good enough excuse for scum to pile on you. Since they have 3-4 out of 7 for majority, it'll be hard to not get a tie.

Anyone thinking of sending a message?

I mean. I get how he feels about Splinter. Splinter's been bothering a lot of people this game, and he's among my top scum currently. But still, voting that early could backfire, and not merely in just scum trying to force a tie.

In case anyone else is thinking of voting: I do have a role to claim.

A role that OA apparently has no interest in hearing about, despite the gravity of the situation.

Interesting.... do you intend to tell us or did you just mention it for no reason?

 

[*Splinter]

I mean. I get how he feels about Splinter. Splinter's been bothering a lot of people this game, and he's among my top scum currently. But still, voting that early could backfire, and not merely in just scum trying to force a tie.



Interesting.... do you intend to tell us or did you just mention it for no reason?

I was hoping not to mention it just yet, but I don't trust people not to drop early votes.

Since I've mentioned it, I might as well claim. Give me a minute to type it up.

It's a little involved, so I'll break it up to aid discussion:
Post 1: my role
Post 2: my actions/results
Post 3: my full defense

 

[*Splinter]

Also I haven't sent any message LP. To be honest I don't see the utility at this point. Everything I know will be in-thread soon

 

[EzekelRAGE]

While I would be fine with voting Splinter, the fact you did it so early is a good enough excuse for scum to pile on you. Since they have 3-4 out of 7 for majority, it'll be hard to not get a tie.

Anyone thinking of sending a message?

Not really, do you know if you can receive a msg? If not could conduct a test to find if Seath is a god or if someone else is Peri.

In case anyone else is thinking of voting: I do have a role to claim.

You know we can tweet to another person, y not use that to claim to Sophia?

The fact that I've been so astoundingly wrong only highlights how many hard stances I've taken throughout the game.

The only hard stance you've taken is the defense of Gorlak. You flip flopped on Darryl and FEP.

 

[Sophia]

You know we can tweet to another person, y not use that to claim to Sophia?

That is an option, although it sounds like it's too long for the message anyhow, and I'm not sure I'd be confident analyzing a 140 character role claim.

 

[*Splinter]

Not really, do you know if you can receive a msg? If not could conduct a test to find if Seath is a god or if someone else is Peri.


You know we can tweet to another person, y not use that to claim to Sophia?


The only hard stance you've taken is the defense of Gorlak. You flip flopped on Darryl and FEP.

There is no need for my role to be hidden any longer.

I didn't flip flop on FEP, I said the only thing that gave me any doubt at all was [whatever it was], that doesn't come close to outweighing the suspicion I had of him, and I'm pretty sure I stood by my decision to vote him even when it turned out to be wrong.

The Darryl flip flop is actually related to my role.

You also missed LP, and Feng ever since his claim.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

There is no need for my role to be hidden any longer.

I didn't flip flop on FEP, I said the only thing that gave me any doubt at all was [whatever it was], that doesn't come close to outweighing the suspicion I had of him, and I'm pretty sure I stood by my decision to vote him even when it turned out to be wrong.

The Darryl flip flop is actually related to my role.

You also missed LP, and Feng ever since his claim.

Ok, so ignoring my posts about you being scum. Understand.

 

[*Splinter]

Ok, so ignoring my posts about you being scum. Understand.

I read them. My frustration on day 3 wasn't fake, but I was way out of line. I am sorry about that.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I read them. My frustration on day 3 wasn't fake, but I was way out of line. I am sorry about that.

Apology accepted.

 

[*Splinter]

Post 1: My Role

I am an Oracle. I am a lie detector.

My command is CHECK: <post number>.

This is a 3 shot role. I have used all my shots and am now effectively ordinary.

So I PM Flush a post number, and he will reply with either LIE, NO LIE, or UNCLEAR. If the selected post has multiple statements, the priority for responses is LIE -> UNCLEAR -> NO LIE.

A useful example case is given in my PM. Suppose I check a post like the below:

I think PlayerB is scum

If PlayerA is town (well... non-scum), they won't know if this statement is true or false. Therefore the result I will get is "UNCLEAR".
However, if PlayerA is scum, they will know its true or false so I'll get a LIE or NO LIE result respectively.

So effectively I'm a super cop. I could potentially find multiple scum each night, as long as the post I check is from a scum player.

Thats what I thought at first, its surprisingly difficult to find such a clear cut post as that example... more on that in my next two posts.

Next up will be the posts I checked, the statements in those posts, and the results. Since I didn't claim at day start you should already know this will be disappointing.

 

[OceanicAir]

Woah, uh.... hey.... way to throw down the gauntlet there. o_o;;;

That was kind of sort of dumb given we still have so much time left, you know...?

I really couldn't care less, and this is coming from the person who ended day 2 without an unvote and locking yourself out of end of day discussion? C'mon now, don't talk to me about dumb moves.

Remember that we can't change votes please.

OA doesn't need to worry about a pile on because he's scum himself.

He's right that I've been wrong a lot. I think the only good call I've made all game was Gorlak, everything else has been horribly wrong.

On the other hand, you can't be wrong if you don't make the effort in the first place. The fact that I've been so astoundingly wrong only highlights how many hard stances I've taken throughout the game. I'd like to point out that we, as a team, have also been entirely wrong this game (except for Star Sketch), it's a push to call it a scumtell, even more so to drop an unchangeable vote for it.

Inb4 he claims he forgot about not being able to change

Incredibly hard stances are easy to take if you are scum. My main issue is that you lead pretty much every mislynch with your terrible leads. That's why it's a scumtell. And no I didn't forget, I just really don't see why you're not scum.

Only reason why I put my vote down because we were going to meander along all day long before Splinter would lead (another!) stupid charge to sink town.

Also, who the heck cares about messages! If we mislynch it won't even make a difference.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Check wasn't in Zipped list for N1 actions was it?

 

[Sophia]

Check wasn't in Zipped list for N1 actions was it?

I don't believe so.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I don't believe so.

Doesnt happen to a player, so I guess it wouldnt?

 

[Swamped]

Check wasn't in Zipped list for N1 actions was it?

Good point. Maybe it's because he checks post numbers and not a player directly.

I previously said I would vote 12 hours before the deadline but that makes it 2am where I am, so I'll change that to 16 hours before the deadline.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Messages are sent during the Day, so gods would receive them.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Messages are sent during the Day, so gods would receive them.

Nvm about testing then.

 

[*Splinter]

Post 2: My Actions and Results

Short version
Night 1 - 321, Sophia is probably town
Night 2 - 506, Crimson is probably town
Night 3 - 384, Gorlak is town

Night 1
Post 321 by Sophia:

Just woke up and I'm on mobile. Ended up sleeping 10 hours, so I'm refreshed. I don't like writing on mobile so I'll be back with a full post of my reads and thoughts in a bit over an hour. Right now I still think Gorlak is scum, but he gave a fairly decent response when I called him out, so I need to think it over. Plus Seath gave such an unusual reply that I feel I got good info. Darryl is among my top town at the moment. Not sensing any scum vibes.

Had some discussion with Flush about how picky he was being in looking for statements, he was kind enough to use this post as an example:
-I think Gorlak is scum
-I think Darryl is town
-I'll make a big post soon
-Gorlak gave a response that I liked
-I got good info from Seath's post

Result: UNCLEAR
(Note that "NO LIE" was impossible here, so this only clears Sophia if Gorlak is town (he is) or Darryl is scum)

Night 2
Post 506 by CrimsonFist:

Vote: Gorlak

Claiming doctor and then not dying? Pretty sure you're scum right now.

Also I dislike doing larger posts, so today is going to be annoying.

-I strongly believe Gorlak is Scum
-I dislike making long posts

Result: UNCLEAR
(Again that second statement is probably rated UNCLEAR, so this only cleared Crimson if Gorlak is town. Crimson died anyway...)

Night 3
Post 384 by Gorlak:

[...]
For not much reason and despite his poor post mentioned above, I do not currently think Kyan is scum. Do you?

yes ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

I didn't confirm this one with Flush but its pretty clear:
-I think Kyanrute is scum

Result: UNCLEAR
This 100% cleared Gorlak (who died...) and therefore also confirmed Sophia (already cleared...) and Crimson (already died...)


So yeah. Its been a fucking nightmare. My next post will explain why I chose these posts, point out breadcrumbs etc. I'll probably be working on it throughout this evening though.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Votes on Splinter

Day 3:
Seath
Zeke
Sophia
L_P
OceanicAir

Sophia eventually unvoted.

Day 2:
Freakenchair

He eventually unvoted.

Day 1:
Gorlak

Again, he eventually unvoted. On the first day with random votes flying around, Splinter was one of the more active players, yet escaped almost all suspicion.

So what is it? Scum is keeping him around because he's had bad reads all game, despite being quite active? Or he's actually scum and his fellow members have avoided voting for him all game?

The other players who were voted for on Day 1:
Crimson (3 unique voters)
Darryl (3)
Lone_Prodigy (5)
Gorlak (7)
Seath (1)
FEP (4)
Dragonz (2)
Feng (1)
Sophia (2)
Zipped (1)
Star (7)

Top vote-getters were Star, me, Darryl, Crimson, and FEP. All are town/neutral. Even accounting for failed bandwagons and general Day 1 shenanigans, it's kind of interesting.

But overall these vote counts aren't very useful. Day 2, for example, was basically back and forth between FEP, Gorlak, and Darryl. Day 3 was kind of skewed by Seath voting like crazy, but even then it was between me and Splinter.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

In league game atm, but quick question. If you can do the thing you did with Gorlak. Where you ask a question and you can tell whether they are lying in their response to you. Why not just ask ppl are they town or not? Seems that wouldve been more effective.

 

[Swamped]

Splinter, why didn't you check Seath's post where he claims to be a neutral Pepsi? Did you believe his claim? I would have checked Seath's posts even on the first couple of nights given that he was playing ambiguously.

 

[*Splinter]

In league game atm, but quick question. If you can do the thing you did with Gorlak. Where you ask a question and you can tell whether they are lying in their response to you. Why not just ask ppl are they town or not? Seems that wouldve been more effective.

That only lets me check one person at a time. If I get their opinion on a second player then I might get some bonus info, and the worst case scenario is still 1 townie confirmed.

Splinter, why didn't you check Seath's post where he claims to be a neutral Pepsi? Did you believe his claim? I would have checked Seath's posts even on the first couple of nights given that he was playing ambiguously.

I believe it and don't think it worth confirming.

I was tempted to check him on N1, but that was more for funsies than something actually useful.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

*splinter


Why did you waste your role...? If we were not under the gun with a single vote I would likely vote for you on this.

I'll even give you the day 1 and day 3 posts, 1 gave you a lot for the mods to discern truth and fiction from and day 3 was to confirm your suspicions.

But day 2. Why did you pick that post?

You drilled down on Gorlak, crimsonfist and Sophia through your command and I don't understand why you chose crimsonfist. I can see Sophia, wanted to test it out, see what kind of granularization you got. And Gorlak got you information based on the Sophia read from earlier.

But the crimsonfist check. It really doesn't make sense. You could have chosen post #633 and definitively cleared oceanic even with an "unclear" (he calls you and me as scum, if you got a lie, then likely he is scum). Unclear would have likely cleared him and thus given you another townie. Crimson_fist's post gives you information but only when Gorlak or Crimson dies and flips.

Another day 2 post that you could have checked and got Instant information on post 510, where chair offers a read on you and only you. This would have instantly given you information without having to use another clear or wait for a flip.

Day 2 doesn't make sense to me, so much so that if this was any other day I would drop a vote on you. It's the day that stands out the most as being "after the fact". The other two make sense to me. But that one doesn't. Not at all, especially when there were better and easier posts to get a clear "scum/not scum" read from clearing.

 

[Kyanrute]

Cop, doctor, joat, Sophia's thing, lightning rod, chef, edict-preventer, voyeur...

This all seems like a lot to me.

 

[Sophia]

Some odd choices for posts, especially those first two. Why not ask questions yourself and then use your power to confirm it...?

 

[Sophia]

That being said, and I hate to admit this...

A simple yes or no will suffice




Also:
Yn/Royal: What happens if a God is vote leader at day end?

I only asked one question and it's already gone unanswered :'(

Are you scum Sophia?

Spoiler

fite me

Sometimes this too. For example Sophia never responded to my question, which doesn't go unnoticed.

But mostly it's an antagonistic device

... but you did kind of breadcrum the existence of your power all the way back in day one.

 

[*Splinter]

Zipped I go into more detail in my mega post, but essentially I felt Crimson was the only choice. Maybe that Ocean post would be suitable... there is so much going on in there that I didn't trust the result to be conclusive.

Why not ask questions yourself and then use your power to confirm it...?

Thats not how it works. See the example given in my claim

 

[*Splinter]

Post 3: My Full Defense

I'll take this day by day:

Day 1
Right off the bat you can see me try to bait Sophia into stating her alignment:

Are you?

A simple yes or no will suffice

I only asked one question and it's already gone unanswered :'(

Are you scum Sophia?

Spoiler

fite me

After this I realized it would be more useful (and easier) to get a statement like "I think x is scum".

Next up, I'll point out this exchange with Darryl: posts 116-120.
I knew exactly what Darryl was talking about here, I took the opportunity to play dumb and "accidentally" soft claim as ordinary town. I was way more afraid of an NK than a lynch, so was happy this exchange could happen.

Late in the day, I bait Gorlak to give a clear opinion on Kyanrute:

Just one question for you Gorlak:
Do you currently think Kyan is scum, or not?

Speaking of non-answers:

Not enough material? No shit, it's D1! I wasn't asking you to stake your life on it, and you seemed to have an opinion earlier in the day, so why can't you answer now? You could have responded with a gut feeling and at least you'd have stated a position.

For not much reason and despite his poor post mentioned above, I do not currently think Kyan is scum. Do you?

This led to post 384 that I eventually checked.

Night 1
So if I check town, I confirm 1 townie. If I check scum I'll find scum and either confirm a townie or maybe even find a second scum at the same time.
I obviously considered checking Gorlak, but by this time I kind of trusted him, and I really wanted to hit scum so I decided against it.
I considered checking Darryl, but at this point I still trusted Darryl on the back of his soft claim.
In the end I went with that post by Sophia. It wasn't ideal because I couldn't get a "NO LIE" result, but that would only happen if Sophia and Gorlak were scum while Darryl was town (this seemed unlikely as Sophia had attacked Gorlak pretty early on). I was hoping for a LIE which would mean Sophia is scum, Gorlak/Darryl are probably both town. I can't remember exactly what made me choose to check Sophia over Darryl. I think I trusted her a bit in D1 but at this point I trusted her less than both Darryl and Gorlak.

These were the only suitable posts I could find for day 1 by the way. I briefly considered checking Seath's "I am not a god" but since that couldn't distinguish between Komena and Peripseros I figured that would do more harm than good (or nothing at all).

Day 2
My first post of the day contained a breadcrumb that would be immediately obvious after seeing my flip. I have three points to make, but I label them 3... 2... 1... 321 being the post I checked. I then generally doubled down on trusting Sophia, which would hopefully be enough to confirm her in case of my death.

If you read through my day 2 posts you'll see me trying to trust Sophia but struggling to justify it. Her posts were honestly weird to me that day which put me in a slightly awkward position. There is this exchange where I use the word unclear in response to her:

Just out of curiosity, but why do you have me as your top town? I did a quick look back on the previous pages, but I didn't really see an answer there...

Call it a gut read I guess, but there is enough overlap between your ideas and mine that I find it easy to believe we are both starting with the same set of information. Thats not to say I agree with everything you say, especially today a couple of things have been a little unclear.

I don't remember when, but at some point I stop trusting Darryl and start to think he might be scum. The real reason I tried to keep Darryl alive here was because I knew I could check him at night. If he turned out to be town then great I've saved a townie. If he turned out to be scum then we can lynch him the next day and get info on Crimson. So yeah, I know I had some other excuse for this on day three, but this was the bigger reason I wanted him alive.

Night 2
Now my ability works best on short posts, so obviously the posting restriction on day 2 made it pretty useless. I still had the option to check Darryl or Gorlak's day 1 posts, but I still trusted Gorlak, and Darryl died a townie. I went with the CrimsonFist post as I didn't have a strong read on him.

In hindsight, it should have been obvious that he was the doctor and likely to die. At this point I had forgotten his soft claim (even though I called it out in the thread) and never thought it through enough to realize he was the doctor. This was a dumb move on my part.

Day 3
With Crimson dead, I didn't even bother to breadcrumb my night action. I don't think there's much else for me to comment on in this day. Day 3 was a mess for me.

Night 3
I looked through day 3 and couldn't find a single post I wanted to check. I think I could have checked Zipped's claim but that seemed like a longshot. Having been wrong on everything else I decided it was worth checking Gorlak after all. To be honest it was either that or wait for night 4, and I'm not sure I would survive without claiming.

Of course Gorlak died, so I decided to not even claim unless it was necessary.

Of course he did


I think thats everything. Some people have remarked that I act as if I'm not afraid of a lynch. Well... thats true. This role is new to Gafia and interesting enough to be (in my opinion) quite convincing. I figured the scummier I appeared the better (to avoid night kills) as I would always have this role to fall back on, along with a game's worth of actions to back it up.



...


Your turn OA. Convince me you aren't scum.

 

[Sophia]

Thats not how it works. See the example given in my claim

Sorry, let me clarify as I was posting from mobile.

Why didn't you continue to ask the questions yourself to other people, and then confirm their answers after the fact? I noticed you did this on Day 1, but not so much on Day 2 onward.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

That only lets me check one person at a time. If I get their opinion on a second player then I might get some bonus info, and the worst case scenario is still 1 townie confirmed.

Them putting their opinions makes the read unclear, but having a confirmed townie is more important.

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

I believe it and don't think it worth confirming.

Debatable. With the claim ppl are afraid to vote him and it has given him a free pass to coast.

I agree with Zipped, some of the posts you detected were questionable.

Day 1 - Weird post to check especially when you had Gorlak's claim.
Day 2 - Why not see if Feng was telling the truth with his claim? Think that wouldve been the most clear cut way to get a definite answer.
Day 3- I had a post where I said Splinter is scum and a post where I said Gorlak is scum. That may have been better to look at?

Some odd choices for posts, especially those first two. Why not ask questions yourself and then use your power to confirm it...?

Yea, we couldve had around 2-3 more confirmed towns if he would just asked "Who are you aligned with?" or "Are you town?" Like all his checks don't really clear the ppl they are talking about.

That being said, and I hate to admit this...
... but you did kind of breadcrum the existence of your power all the way back in day one.

Doesn't really say anything about his power though.

Will look at Splint'd defense post.

 

[*Splinter]

Cop, doctor, joat, Sophia's thing, lightning rod, chef, edict-preventer, voyeur...

This all seems like a lot to me.

Without my role we are very low on investigative roles. Basically just a voyeur (arguably useless without a watcher) and the double-confirm edict

 

[Sophia]

Yea, we couldve had around 2-3 more confirmed towns if he would just asked "Who are you aligned with?" or "Are you town?" Like all his checks don't really clear the ppl they are talking about.



Doesn't really say anything about his power though.

Will look at Splint'd defense post.

Really? I think it adds a bit of credence that his claim might be true in some degree. I don't think it says anything about his alignment however.

But yeah, I really don't like where he chose to use his powers.... there was a lot of time during night phases to read things over and decide on a post and you picked ones that were blatantly going to give you unclear answers?

 

[*Splinter]

Sorry, let me clarify as I was posting from mobile.

Why didn't you continue to ask the questions yourself to other people, and then confirm their answers after the fact? I noticed you did this on Day 1, but not so much on Day 2 onward.

Well look how well that worked even on day 1. I asked you 3 times and didn't get a reply. It also took some (imo) strange posts to get that straight answer out of Gorlak. I was worried that if I keep that up all game scum might figure out something was up and then I'd never get a straight answer from them.

Day 2 was also hopeless because everything was compiled in mega posts, so I didn't even try there.

Day 3 I should have done better, I know that.

 

[Sophia]

Well look how well that worked even on day 1. I asked you 3 times and didn't get a reply. It also took some (imo) strange posts to get that straight answer out of Gorlak. I was worried that if I keep that up all game scum might figure out something was up and then I'd never get a straight answer from them.

Day 2 was also hopeless because everything was compiled in mega posts, so I didn't even try there.

Day 3 I should have done better, I know that.

Were you required to use your power or something...? I can't figure out why you'd waste it at all on Day 2 if you weren't.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Without my role we are very low on investigative roles. Basically just a voyeur (arguably useless without a watcher) and the double-confirm edict

Low on investigator roles means nothing. In loveboat Kark and I were a pair of 3-shot frackers.... And THAT was It for investigative roles...

I'm agree that I feel oceanic is acting fairly scummy, BUT you made some terrible choices. Bringing back memories of chucklefuckery, high school, and a bear (as opposed to island, spirits, and life after death).

These posts look more like ones someone "coming up with something" would pick out. Especially that day 2 post decision...

 

[*Splinter]

Them putting their opinions makes the read unclear, but having a confirmed townie is more important.

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Debatable. With the claim ppl are afraid to vote him and it has given him a free pass to coast.

I agree with Zipped, some of the posts you detected were questionable.

Day 1 - Weird post to check especially when you had Gorlak's claim.
Day 2 - Why not see if Feng was telling the truth with his claim? Think that wouldve been the most clear cut way to get a definite answer.
Day 3- I had a post where I said Splinter is scum and a post where I said Gorlak is scum. That may have been better to look at?



Yea, we couldve had around 2-3 more confirmed towns if he would just asked "Who are you aligned with?" or "Are you town?" Like all his checks don't really clear the ppl they are talking about.



Doesn't really say anything about his power though.

Will look at Splint'd defense post.

It confirmed 3 townies in 3 uses. Without hitting scum that's the best it could do. "Are you town" doesn't have any advantage over what I was doing (andisney doesn't get answered anyway)

The only mistake I made was checking Crimson when I should have expected his death.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Splinter's claim sounds believable, but it's also convenient. His results are on people already dead or verified.

And I find it hard to believe one of the most active posters in this thread is still alive.

 

[*Splinter]

Why would I check Feng's claim? We believe his claim and it still wouldn't confirm his alignment.

Also no reason to check Gorlak's claim over his post I actually checked. He could easily have been town lying about some part of his role and that's literally the worst case scenario for my role. All I care about is his alignment, so I checked his "think Kyan is scum" post. Possibilities:

Gorlak is scum - I would get LIE or NO LIE depending. We would then know Gorlak AND Kyan's alignment.

Gorlak is town - I would get UNCLEAR, Gorlak is now confirmed town.

Does that make more sense? I feel like you aren't getting why I would check "I think X is scum" posts. It's an absolute improvement over an "I am town" post.

 

[*Splinter]

Splinter's claim sounds believable, but it's also convenient. His results are on people already dead or verified.

And I find it hard to believe one of the most active posters in this thread is still alive.

You think I should have been night killed?

What night?

What game have you been reading?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Really? I think it adds a bit of credence that his claim might be true in some degree. I don't think it says anything about his alignment however.

Day 1 for me not so much. I wouldve chopped it up with FEP or whoever asking about a lost brother.

If he woudlve kept spamming the question, asking different ppl then it wouldve been more believable.

After reading Splint's defense. I honestly don't know what to think. We can't really confirm anything he has said. Looking at my post where I accused him. He says he was playing/looking scummy so he could survive. And he wanted Darryl alive to check his posts, not for Gor to shoot him. *shrug*.

It confirmed 3 townies in 3 uses. Without hitting scum that's the best it could do. "Are you town" doesn't have any advantage over what I was doing (andisney doesn't get answered anyway)

With this flavor you couldve framed it a million ways. Do you believe in your god Kome? What god you follow etc.

 

[Sophia]

Gorlak is town - I would get UNCLEAR, Gorlak is now confirmed town.

Okay, I'm not getting this at all. Explain it to me like I'm five.

yes ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

How does an "UNCLEAR" results on this post = Gorlak is confirmed town?

 

[*Splinter]

Okay, I'm not getting this at all. Explain it to me like I'm five.



How does an "UNCLEAR" results on this post = Gorlak is confirmed town?

That post is an immediate response to "Do you think Kyan is scum". The first thing I asked Flush about this role is if answers like this would qualify as statements, and he said that yes they would.

 

[*Splinter]

Okay, I'm not getting this at all. Explain it to me like I'm five.



How does an "UNCLEAR" results on this post = Gorlak is confirmed town?

So UNCLEAR means Gorlak doesn't know if his statement is true or not. If he were scum he would know it's either true or false and I'd get lie or no lie respectively.

 

[Sophia]

So UNCLEAR means Gorlak doesn't know if his statement is true or not. If he were scum he would know it's either true or false and I'd get lie or no lie respectively.

Hmm.... makes sense at first glance, I guess..

I don't know what to think. Assuming you are town, nothing in here is verifiable to any degree because of exceptionally poor play. All we have are a few day one breadcrums. We're stuck playing a game of guessing which wine bottle to drink now. :\

 

[*Splinter]

I think Kyanrute is scum

Gorlak is scum - I would get LIE or NO LIE depending. We would then know Gorlak AND Kyan's alignment.

Gorlak is town - I would get UNCLEAR, Gorlak is now confirmed town.

Does everyone understand this example, at least?

Here's the alternative:

I am town

Gorlak is scum - I would get LIE. We then know Gorlak's alignment.

Gorlak is town - I would get NO LIE. Gorlak's is now confirmed town.

Its a straight downgrade

 

[Kyanrute]

Without my role we are very low on investigative roles. Basically just a voyeur (arguably useless without a watcher) and the double-confirm edict

Info-roles, sure. I was thinking the overall thing. What's scum been so far? Gorlak's redirect and a whole load of nothing. Even the power in that came from a town role.

There certainly is a fuckton of roles in the game for sure, but why would they all be on town side? Lightning rod screws up one night kill as long as doctor remembers to use their command. The potential in gorlak was huge, he could've killed scum, saved someone or blocked a kill and found scum that way. Then there are the more minor roles in Zipped, Sophia and Darryl, roles that can still be useful, but require more strict conditions.

And in addition to all that, a three shot cop. Sure. No.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Why would I check Feng's claim? We believe his claim and it still wouldn't confirm his alignment.

Gorlak is scum - I would get LIE or NO LIE depending. We would then know Gorlak AND Kyan's alignment.

Gorlak is town - I would get UNCLEAR, Gorlak is now confirmed town.

Does that make more sense? I feel like you aren't getting why I would check "I think X is scum" posts. It's an absolute improvement over an "I am town" post.

In the example of Gorlak:
What if he wouldve been neutral SK?
What if you asked scum about a neutral and scum thought neutral was town?

The problem with the "I think X is scum/town" questions are, if they are town or neutral, it automatically will give you an unclear answer and doesn't confirm the alignment of "X". I can see your point on going that route though. To me, more direct questions about the person's own alignment wouldve been better. Which you already addressed as being difficult to do from Day 1 I guess.

Another question, if there are various statements made in the post. 1 true and others false, would that make the whole post unclear?

 

[*Splinter]

Hmm.... makes sense at first glance, I guess..

I don't know what to think. Assuming you are town, nothing in here is verifiable to any degree because of exceptionally poor play. All we have are a few day one breadcrums. We're stuck playing a game of guessing which wine bottle to drink now. :\

This isn't WIFOM, this is 200 posts building to a single claim. You either think its inconsistent or you think its planned from the start or its real. I'm not asking you to flip a coin here, I'm asking you to look over these actions and judge whether you think I'm town or not.

And you of all people can spare me a lecture on poor play.