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Official F1 US GP/24 Hour Le Mans/Batman Begins 400/Danica Patrick thread...

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PS2 KID

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Look at Rubens go. Go Rubens! With his luck, he'll have a mechanical failure or something 1 lap before the finish. :(
 
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Shinobi

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Stoddart: This is unbelievable

Paul Stoddart explained why his Minardi drivers remained out on track. This morning nine out of the ten teams (all but Ferrari) agreed that they would only race if the FIA would make a chicane. Jordan and Minardi also agreed out of sympathy for the Michelin runners. When the Jordan drivers remained outside though there was only one thing to do for Stoddart...

"I only stayed out there because the Jordan team did not keep their promise. They promised in the morning meeting they would not race if there was not a chicane placed in Turn 13," commented a furious Paul Stoddart.

"It is incredible and unbelievable that the FIA didn't want to come to a decent agreement and thus solution with the Michelin runners. This is terrible for the sport. The FIA doesn't give a sh*t about the sport itself, they only worry about their political game."
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Ain't that the truth...
 
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Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
So true, what kind of governing body would prefer to effectively disqualify 3/4 of the drivers rather than compromise a rule for their safety? :-/
 
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PS2 KID

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Wax Free Vanilla said:
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What a complete and utter shit race, fuck you FIA, and fuck you Michelin.





Senna vs Prost compilation:

http://rapidshare.de/files/2432859/sennavsprost.wmv.html

Watch it for some real racing action. :D
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Now that brings back memories. :) I forgot what really good racing used to be like. :lol

FIA messed up. It was more concerned about flexing it's muscle and enforcing it's ironclad regulations than satisfying the fans. The GPWC can't come soon enough.
 
Myoclonic Jerk

Myoclonic Jerk

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Kimi drives well - engine faliure
Kimi drives well - wing flies away
Kimi drives well - engine faliure
Kimi drives well - tyre explodes
Kimi drives well - this happens

I hate loving Kimi. he's just so unlucky that he makes his fans so sad.
 
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McFly

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Cold Shadow said:
but totally michelin's fault.
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Not at all. Technical problems can always happen if you have to develop to the limit. Sauber once made a bad part and did'nt start to a race as well in the past. Now it's just a part that not just one team is using. The problem is with FIA and the whole political situation of the F1 business. In any other race series, the teams would come to a compromise and race, but in F1 the interests are so extremly political that something like that is'nt possible anymore.

Fredi
 
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Cold Shadow

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McFly said:
Not at all. Technical problems can always happen if you have to develop to the limit. Sauber once made a bad part and did'nt start to a race as well in the past. Now it's just a part that not just one team is using. The problem is with FIA and the whole political situation of the F1 business. In any other race series, the teams would come to a compromise and race, but in F1 the interests are so extremly political that something like that is'nt possible anymore.

Fredi
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If you develop to the limit this is one of the problem's you can face, and that is your own problem. Bridgetone teams shouldn't be punished if the problem lies within Michelin, there couldn't have possibly be an compromise, and also the chicane would be extremely unfair against bridgestone.
 
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Koshiro

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Cold Shadow said:
and also the chicane would be extremely unfair against bridgestone.
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No, because the Michelin teams all agreed to take no points from the race, they just wanted to put on a race for the fans.
 
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McFly

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Koshiro said:
No, because the Michelin teams all agreed to take no points from the race, they just wanted to put on a race for the fans.
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And not to forget that if F1 as a whole get's bad critics, than that sure can't be good for a future multi-million-dollar engagement of any company involved in the sport, like Bridgestone or the Bridgestone teams. There was a reason why no Ferrari team member was happy at the end of the race.

Fredi
 
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Rainbow L33T

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Well,umm,to that I could reply what Drivers using Michelin,wihout gaining any point in the race have to lose if they want to overtake a Bridgestone driver?They would be in a position to take more risk and take out Bridgestone drivers.

Anyway,I think F1 needed this.The rule is a stupid one.And for my sake,they should return to the old qualification rules,where you run empty for qualif and put gaz for the race.At least,now it would again be enjoyable to look at saturday speed lap battle.
 
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cja

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As a TV watcher the "race" was more entertaining than many. Plenty of drama, intrigue and spite, all off the track of course. Listening to a different team head, chief engineer or driver have their say was good theatre. I just feel very sorry for the real fans who turned up to cheer on the teams in Indianapolis and rightfully booed the whole sorry charade.

Michelin failed to bring safe tires to a race meet it is their fault.

Every other occurance of this sorry episode was pure and petty politics. Bernie, the FIA and Ferrari against the major car manufacturers (aside from Fiat of course). The arguments have been brewing for a long time. This was the piss-up at the end of the fermentation. On every other occasion I've sided with McLaren, Williams and Renault but not this time.

The solutions the Michelin runners had been talking about were absurd. If there had been an ad hoc chicane (surely in itself dangerous) and the knowledge Michelin runners were to get no points at the end of the day we just know the Ferraris would have been strategically taken out on slow corners. The "race" would have been just as much of a farce if not moreso. If the drivers did not race for points then there is no point in them racing. The spectacle wouldn't have been any better just more of a phony one.

There were so many simple solutions other than the nonsense that the FIA rightfully threw out but then didn't have the nuts to put to teams. They should have made Michelin runners go out on older compound tires or even on Bridgestones. Rule breaking technicalities could have been worked out next week just like any other race weekend.
 
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Bat

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They should have just went out and slowed down on that corner. Of course it's hard to say how slow to go and to keep people at that speed, but it's not that different from what teams tell drivers when their brakes are cooked....just let off the throttle on that turn. If that's not ok, then they should have put that chicane in and just decide the punishment later. To make a last minute course change just because Michelin screwed up is quite ridiculous, though better than what actually happened.
 
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Flizzzipper

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I live near Indy, local news is fun tonight. The fan interviews are good :lol The people who traveled here from foreign countries to see it really got screwed. They showed some guy yelling at the cops in some foreign language :lol
 
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Wax Free Vanilla

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Paul Stoddart tells it how it is
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lots of swearing included. :lol

http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2KI1PNGN2LO5R3BS819WKS98WX
 
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Mike Works

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I don't watch F1 Racing (nor NASCAR, nor any other type of racing), but when extreme circumstances like this happen in any sport, I find it interesting. I was reading about it elsewhere, and then saw this picture:

f18pj.jpg


:lol
 
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tralfazz

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Would have been an even better 'spectacle' if only Ferrari had run. F1 just lost any hopes of US interest for awhile. Not that it had much to begin with. I gave up on it over the last couple of years with Ferrari always in front. BORING.
 
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Operations

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Jesus, what a disgrace, some spectators were completely enraged and rightly so after being left only with yet another Schumacher/Barrichello charade. A modification to the rules is inevitable, the FIA won't take a similar risk ever again, even if in a strict sense they were right about this.
 
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Shinobi

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Rainbow L33T said:
Well,umm,to that I could reply what Drivers using Michelin,wihout gaining any point in the race have to lose if they want to overtake a Bridgestone driver?They would be in a position to take more risk and take out Bridgestone drivers.
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Eh, you could say that anytime a top racer is out of a points paying position late in a race or has been lapped. The only driver I've seen since the Senna/Prost days that has tried to take anyone out intentionally is Michael Schumacher, and he still had points to gain during those circumstances. :lol
 
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Shompola

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Michelin made a mistka,e tried to remedy it but FIA and especially Ferrari were stubborn bastards. Hope Ferrari dies.
 
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tetsuoxb

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The memos are the most interesting thing.

I side with the FIA/Ferrari on this one. Mich should have had a second set of tyres. If they didnt, either go slow (the fair thing) or dont go through the curve at all. You cant just throw in a chicane because 14 cars want it since they cant go through the corner at speed. It penalizes those who can, and are not having vendor specific issues.
 
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DJ_Tet

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It's great, 80 posts on a sham of a race and not one mention of what the "leader" of F1 racing said about women drivers. Talk about knowing how to shoot yourself in the foot. The NHL is jealous :lol
 
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fart

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this was bullshit. the tire rules are bullshit, ferrari is bullshit, fia is a load of cocks.

oh jesus, someone shoot bernie and get it over with. bunch of fucking fools
 
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Wax Free Vanilla

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DJ_Tet said:
It's great, 80 posts on a sham of a race and not one mention of what the "leader" of F1 racing said about women drivers. Talk about knowing how to shoot yourself in the foot. The NHL is jealous :lol
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All the attention that Danica Patrick has received on the Indy Racing League circuit has not made Formula One president and CEO Bernie Ecclestone a fan.

Ecclestone, in Indianapolis for the United States Grand Prix, was asked about Patrick's success Friday.

"Yep, she did a good job, didn't she? Super. Didn't think she was going to make it," Ecclestone said.

Before leaving, Ecclestone made one more assessment about women racing with men.

"You know I've got one of those wonderful ideas ... women should be dressed in white like all the other domestic appliances."

It isn't the first time Ecclestone commented on women in racing, telling Autosport racing magazine in Feb. 2000 that women would never excel in Forumla One. He added that if a woman did make it, "she would have to be a woman who was blowing away the boys. ... What I would really like to see happen is to find the right girl, perhaps a black girl with super looks, preferably Jewish or Muslim, who speaks Spanish."
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:lol


F1 is on a roll... a roll to destruction, get the terrible twosome (Bernie & Max) out before it happens. :(
 
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LusDekkar

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I woke up at 4 am to watch this farce. I watched for 30min then i went to goto sleep. I couldn't go back to sleep though, 'cos i was so pissed off.
 
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Cold Shadow

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fart said:
this was bullshit. the tire rules are bullshit, ferrari is bullshit, fia is a load of cocks.

oh jesus, someone shoot bernie and get it over with. bunch of fucking fools
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what did ferrari do? It's not their fault that Michelin couldn't bring safe tires.
 
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Rainbow L33T

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Eh, you could say that anytime a top racer is out of a points paying position late in a race or has been lapped
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Only problem here is that 14 cars would be in that position right from the start.

And frankly,the proposition by Michelin to start the race at the back of the field and not gaining point is a stupid one.Would the sport look any better today with this?What's the motivation to look at the race if %70 of the field can't score?

Michelin really fucked themselves up and if they did came with a good tyre,nothing of this would've happen.I've never seen anything like this from a tyre corp. since I follow racing.

Now that this happened,next year,I won't be surprised if we see only one tyre corp. for the entire field.That's the only way they will really slow the cars down and problems like we just got won't happen ever again.

I can't wait to see what Max will say this morning,should be phony.
 
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mrklaw

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Well, it was at least dramatic. First time I've watched the entire run up to the start in a long time.

This shows one thing - the FIA have very tight regulations to prevent teams playing in the grey areas. But because of that, they are not flexible enough to handle unusual situations (which this clearly was).

They should have done whatever practical steps were necessary to allow everyone to run, and worked out the ramifications later on.

Or even canceled the race but come back later in the season, giving everyone with a ticket free entry.
 
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Pimpwerx

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Pachael said:


This thread needed the obligatory photoshop.
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LOL! :lol

I think some people blaming Ferrari are crazy. They have no competitive reason to want to let the Mich teams get a chicane or fly in new tires w/o penalty. That's simply unfair. Just b/c the supplier to the *majority* of the field doesn't do its homework doesn't mean the race needs to be changed. They shouldn't even have formed up on the grid. That was the original insult. If you're not gonna race then why get the fans' hopes up for nothing? Michelin teams tried to leverage their majority and a little politics to get a free pass on a fuckup.

It's not unprecedented that the FIA modify a track mid-weekend. They did it in Imola in 94. But in this situation, it's not the track's safety that's in question, it's the tires'. I bet the only compromise that would have satisfied Ferrari/Bridgestone would have been awarding BStone teams point based on qualifying order, and Michael the win. And then slap in a tacky chicane and have a fun-run for the fans.

The only excuse I give Michelin teams for not running is that races aren't cheap. AFAIK, they could have flown in new tires and put them on, but would have been penalized for it, or fined. Or, they could have done a tire change during the race, or just slowed down. But you can't make the competition slow down to your level because you fucked up. I guess Indy was a BStone track this weekend. :lol

What a terrible PR blunder this is. ...in a way I'm really happy about that ;) b/c I think IMS might drop the F1 race and probably run a second IRL/NASCAR race on the F1 circuit (they're doing Watkins Glen afterall). Who wants F1 at Road America or Laguna Seca? :D :D PEACE.
 
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mrklaw

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They shouldn't even have formed up on the grid. That was the original insult. If you're not gonna race then why get the fans' hopes up for nothing?
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I'm guessing that because they formed up, it counts as participating in the race. for Trulli and Raikkonen, that gives them points. Plus it counts against their engines, so they can all use new engines in the next race.

The other tyres were not guaranteed either, otherwise they could have all come in on the formation lap and changed after the green light. That would have given enough of an advantage to the bridgestone runners that they probably would have agreed to that.
 
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