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Well,so far,for the 7th and 8th places,neither Kimi nor Truli got any points for those.

Apparentely,they asked all the pilots about what Michelin offered (Bridgestone having all the points if they finish the race and Michelin geting nothing if they were to put a chicane) and ALL PILOTS said yes to that.

After,they asked the teams what they wanted (even Bridgestone was asked) and like Bridgestone, Ferrari did put all responsibilities on the FIA.

In a sense,I can see why people could be angry at Ferrari,because if all teams voted in favor,there's no need for the aproval of the FIA and all the cars are in with a chicane and no points for Michelin drivers.

But is that any better of spectacle for the fans if you can't really fight for the win?

I don't think it was a problem that easy to solve.
 
Rainbow L33T said:
because if all teams voted in favor,there's no need for the aproval of the FIA

I heard that this ain't true, If all team's vote in favor the FIA can still block them.

Also here are some quote's from a letter from the FIA to Michelin, explains alot.

We are very surprised that this difficulty has arisen. As you know, each team is allowed to bring two different types of tyre to an event so as to ensure that a back-up (usually of lower performance) is available should problems occur. It is hard to understand why you have not supplied your teams with such a tyre given your years of experience at Indianapolis.

Finally, it has been suggested that a chicane should be laid out in Turn 13. I am sure you will appreciate that this is out of the question. To change the course in order to help some of the teams with a performance problem caused by their failure to bring suitable equipment to the race would be a breach of the rules and grossly unfair to those teams which have come to Indianapolis with the correct tyres
 
Bildocube said:
:lol Can someone briefly explain what happened? What's the big deal?
On friday Ralf went
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reason:

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On saturday michelin stated that they couldn't find the problem and they were trying to find it.
Well they couldn't find the problem and gave a advice not to race or to speed down at turn 13.
They tried to make a compromise but it didn't work out mostly due to being unfair to bridgestone teams.
So in the race everyone with michelin tires went in after the formation lap and Schumacher won.
also they weren't disqualified or something like that, they were allowed to race but nobody took the risk because american's like to sue people if something goes wrong :p
 

Bildocube

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Wow, I stopped watching F1 a long time ago because of the obvious politics but watching this travesty takes place makes me interested just because now it's VERY obvious :lol
 

Klover

Member
Boy, was I the only lucky GAFFER to attend this "race" (been to the last six USGPs)...

It's quite sad that the best race of the weekend was the second Formula BMW race. I know all of the info you guys had with the internet and television, but for those of us at the track all weekend without cable, we didn't know that anything was coming down. The most we got was an excuse during the free practice sessions that the Michelin cars were not doing laps because they were worried about their tires. On Sunday, when all of the cars started pulling into the pits, the crowd started to stir and everyone was watching them. In the confusion, I didn't even see the lights go on and off to start the race, and everyone was questioning whether the race officially started or not.

I don't know about you people complaining about spectators throwing stuff on the track, but you need to shut it. I was amazed at the control of the crowd. In my hometown, riots seem to ensue after any sporting event victory or defeat. A couple people got things out on the track, but after a couple laps most people who weren't psychos/tifosi walked out either talking to their lawyer on their cellphones, or talking about meeting with their lawyer in the future. Sporadically, the people in my area, the Paddock Penthouse, erupted in boos, or chants of "bullshit, bullshit." People really didn't do anything more.

For the 73 laps, I really did not have much to do except pull out my binoculars and look at the grid-girls on the podium, and also watch the deployment of Indiana State Police around the track. Track workers started to fill the grandstand next to the podium and state troopers in full gear with clubs and helmets were deployed on the grandstand and also surrounded the paddock area, concentrating first around the podium area. I was expecting them to be able to crack some heads, but nothing really happened.

I have to figure with the race that Ferrari were playing their standard team orders card in order to maintain some crowd control. Had Michael been a minute ahead of Rubens, the sea of red in the grandstands may have gone crazy instead of just being pissed off. Either way, having Michael and Rubens artificially close together and swapping positions is the kind of crap I would expect from them anyways. I haven't seen the TV broadcast yet, but the track monitors seemed to be showing shots of people leaving and people's signs more than the "race." My whole section got a kick out of Tiago on the podium though. Everyone was booing like mad when Tony George stepped out on the podium to hand out the trophies, but when Tiago got his award and started spraying the champagne, the crowd started to laugh and cheer. At least someone got some satisfaction out of the day.

Tons of fans were swarming around the exit of the paddock to the parking lots, so I expect that the team members had to stay at the track for quite a while. They did actually move the interview "pit" away from the podium like it usually is, but people still waited around on the closest grandstand to boo F1 the whole time interviews were going on with the two Ferrari drivers.

The day was unbelievably depressing for me, and the many others who spent their time and money to come down to the track. It is astounding that nobody cared enough to find a solution to the problem. I can personally only see this as the ultimate threat to the FIA that the breakaway series is not a joke. I guess I might have to remove next years F1 trip from my race calander for next year. WRC in Mexico, or an NHRA event might be fun to fit in to my usual activities.
 

Shinobi

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DJ_Tet said:
It's great, 80 posts on a sham of a race and not one mention of what the "leader" of F1 racing said about women drivers. Talk about knowing how to shoot yourself in the foot. The NHL is jealous :lol

:lol That quote was a beauty...







Pachael said:


This thread needed the obligatory photoshop.

:lol Should throw that image onto the GT4 Grand Canyon shot. :lol






Rainbow L33T said:
In a sense,I can see why people could be angry at Ferrari,because if all teams voted in favor,there's no need for the aproval of the FIA and all the cars are in with a chicane and no points for Michelin drivers.

But is that any better of spectacle for the fans if you can't really fight for the win?

I don't think it was a problem that easy to solve.

I'd rather see the cars race for zero points then nothing but two Ferrari's and four pieces of shit. The action is what people paid to see...the points are merely a byproduct.
 
Points are only byproduct?Haha.Your shiting me right.If there's no points to be gain there's no meaning to the race.But of course the American crowd would take it like nothing because they don't know jack shit about F1.Is that right.?Sure as hell you do a race with no points in Montreal and everyone will go home.What's the point.Let's go see a baseball game,hockey game,basketball game,but with no scoreboard.Yeah right.That's what makes the thrill of watching your favorite pilot losing everything by trying something on track or winning everything by doing a wonderful move.

14 cars here,I repeat,14 cars could not have made it in the point right from the start.

I would really expect those 14 drivers to give everything they have for nothing umm,right?Please.
 

Shinobi

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This is really quite simple. If I've paid a hundred bucks to watch twenty of the most technologically advanced cars on the planet race, then a race is what I want to see. If all the cars had raced, and the Michelin runners who scored points had been stripped off their points afterwards, would that mean I got ripped off? Would I even give a fuck? Hell no. If they don't get points, whatever...at least let me see these guys do their thing. If you feel differently then that's fine, but I guarantee my viewpoint was more widely held by the fans who got FUCKED up the ass on Sunday then yours.
 

Bat

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If you're actually AT a grand prix, then the experience of seeing and hearing these incredible cars going around these circuits (especially during braking) is definetly worth it regardless of any points. For the spectators, they definitely should have gone out.
 

LusDekkar

Member
Mosley should retire already. In fact he should have done it last year. I remember around the time he said he was going to retire he said something like "the teams always change their minds and that they never agree on anything". Then WTF does Mosley do? Announce that he's not giong to retire :(

I mean seriously, it seems that all the FIA want is a series with just Ferrari so that they can always win. We saw that type of "championship" is like on Sunday. WIthout the other teams, F1 is nothing.
 

Shinobi

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Bad enough F1's been getting screwed the last ten years, but some of the shit that's gone on in WRC the last few years has really burned my ass (one of the rules effectively forced Colin McRae into retirement, who was only the sports biggest fucking draw). The FIA is right up there with the IOC and NCAA as corrupt sports organizations who need to be blown the fuck up and started over from scratch.
 
I see your point and many probably agree with it and in fact it would have been better to have them all, but I don't agree that points are only byproduct and it would make a half race without them.

The situation would've been clear from the start if the FIA did agree to Michelin offer that the Michelin drivers don't get points and not just after the race.Those pilots can now choose to take it more easy,or bump the ferraris out on slow corners.Nothing to lose on their side,everything to lose for bridgestone who got on circuit with the right tyres.

And I've been at plenty of GP so far (15 in all) and if you 'd stripped more than halp of the grid of points right from the start, yeah,you would still have GP and that's probably good enough for the first and second time a person goes to see it, but you would lose all tension flying in the air at the start of the race, will my favorite pilot make it out of the first corner kind of tension. The Tension of making a move while knowing that everything is on the line.That's what I need when I go see a GP.

And about the FIA wanting just the Ferraris,I also seem to remember that they try to change the fucking rules every damn years in the last 3 to remove Ferrari from the top.
 
BMW have bought Sauber.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4118472.stm


German car manufacturer BMW has bought the Swiss Formula One team Sauber.German car manufacturer BMW has bought the Swiss Formula One team Sauber.

The new team will be rebranded to include the BMW name and is a serious blow for Williams, who have been exclusive partners with BMW since 2000. The relationship between the German company and Williams has been showing signs of strain recently.

Williams director of engineering, Patrick Head, and BMW director of motor sport, Mario Theissen, were involved in a row before the Canadian Grand Prix.

Theissen, who describes BMW's investment as "a co-operation", revealed he had no intention of taking over Sauber before talks over an engine supply began.

He said: "It was a long-term process. Since last season we set down and considered what we could do.

"Success can only be achieved with a fully-integrated team.

"At the beginning of year we started talks with Sauber, at the time we were talking about engine supply next year.

"We found common ground. We believe Sauber offers a good basis and foundation to further develop the engines.

"We have decided to co-operate with Sauber as BMW.

"We are going to be in charge of the entire package.

"It will be a fully-integrated team, a team distributed among two locations, BMW in Munich and we will not only preserve the Hinwil location but we will also expand it."

Peter Sauber's successor as team boss will be announced shortly.


Williams are on the shit heap, will they use Cosworth or Honda engines for 2006? Will Jenson Button leave BAR - Honda to go to a team with no works engine? Nick Heidfeld will follow BMW imo, so that leaves a seat at Williams if Button stays put a BAR. I guess Jacques Villeneuve could go there ( :lol ), it doesn't look good for him. He's finished in F1 with this Sauber - BMW deal if he doesn't get a drive at a top-mid range team and I can't see any vacant seats. :)
 

mrklaw

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I hope BMW know they can't just write a cheque. Williams are a top team, and BMW offered good engines (well, eventually maybe).

At Sauber they'll need more than just good engines to make a go of it. Maybe they can tempt one of the big guns away, like Toyota did with Gascoigne. Otherwise you'll just have fast Saubers that can't go round corners.
 

Zaphod

Member
I was at the race too, been to 4 USGPs. Never been more sad in my life. They killed F1 for all the new fans at the track, and it looked like there were lots of 1st timers. I left after I finished my Fosters on lap 10. At least the first two races were fun that day.
 

Shinobi

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Rainbow L33T said:
I see your point and many probably agree with it and in fact it would have been better to have them all, but I don't agree that points are only byproduct and it would make a half race without them.

The situation would've been clear from the start if the FIA did agree to Michelin offer that the Michelin drivers don't get points and not just after the race.Those pilots can now choose to take it more easy,or bump the ferraris out on slow corners.Nothing to lose on their side,everything to lose for bridgestone who got on circuit with the right tyres.

And I've been at plenty of GP so far (15 in all) and if you 'd stripped more than halp of the grid of points right from the start, yeah,you would still have GP and that's probably good enough for the first and second time a person goes to see it, but you would lose all tension flying in the air at the start of the race, will my favorite pilot make it out of the first corner kind of tension. The Tension of making a move while knowing that everything is on the line.That's what I need when I go see a GP.

And about the FIA wanting just the Ferraris,I also seem to remember that they try to change the fucking rules every damn years in the last 3 to remove Ferrari from the top.

Hey, if the six cars left on the grid were being driven by Schumacher, Barrichello, Raikkonen, Alonso, Montoya and Trulli, I'd have no problem seeing that. The problem is that you had two stallions and four lepers, which is simply laughable. Most people considered Ferrari winning almost every race last year to be boring as fuck...well hell, at least some of the cars still maintained a semblance of being competitive. No such luck here.

Anyway, the more I read up on this thing, the clearer it gets that Max Mosley should be hung from a tree by his balls.


[22/06/05 - 13:17]
Paul Stoddart comments on the US Grand Prix
A personal account of US Grand Prix events

What follows is a press release from the MinardiF1 team giving the views of Paul Stoddart.

"Much has been said about the farce that occurred on Sunday, June 19, in Indianapolis, and I feel that in the interests of transparency, it would be worthwhile for someone who was actually present, and participated in the discussions leading up to the start of the Grand Prix, to provide a truthful account of what took place, both for the 100,000-plus fans who were present, and for the hundreds of millions of people watching on television around the world.

While this is a genuine attempt to provide a factual timeline of the relevant events that took place, should any minor detail or sequence be disputed, it will not, in my opinion, affect in any way this account of events that led up to arguably the most damaging spectacle in the recent history of Formula One.

Background

For those who have not followed the recent political developments in Formula One, it is fair to say that, for over a year now, the majority of teams have felt at odds with the actions of the FIA and its President, Max Mosley, concerning the regulations, and the way in which those regulations have been introduced, or are proposed to be introduced. Not a weekend has gone by where some, or all, of the teams are not discussing or disputing these regulations. This is so much the case that it is common knowledge the manufacturers have proposed their own series commencing January 1, 2008, and this is supported by at least two of the independent teams. The general perception is that, in many instances, these issues have become personal, and it is my opinion that was a serious contributory factor to the failure to find a solution that would have allowed all 20 cars to compete in Sunday’s United States Grand Prix.



The Facts

Friday, June 17
I noticed that Ricardo Zonta’s Toyota had stopped, but in all honesty, did not pay any attention to the reasons why; however, I actually witnessed Ralf Schumacher’s accident, both on the monitors, and more significantly, I could see what took place from my position on the pit wall. This necessitated a red flag, and in the numerous replays on the monitors, it looked very much like the cause of the accident was a punctured rear tyre.

Throughout the afternoon, numerous people in the paddock suggested it was a tyre failure and commented that it was similar to the serious accident which befell Ralf Schumacher during the 2004 US Grand Prix. Later that evening was the first time I was aware of a potential problem with the Michelin tyres at this event. In all honesty, I didn’t pay a great deal of attention, as our team is on Bridgestone tyres.

Saturday, June 18
On arriving at the circuit, the word throughout the paddock was that there was a potential problem with the rear tyres supplied to all Michelin teams for this event, and it became evident as the first and second sessions were run that most of the affected teams were being very conservative with the amount of on-track running they were doing. In addition, Toyota announced that it had substituted Ricardo Zonta for Ralf Schumacher, who would take no further part in the event. Speculation was rife in the paddock that some Michelin teams might not take part in qualifying. Also, during the practice session, I was informed there would be a Team Principals’ meeting with Bernie Ecclestone at 1430 hrs after qualifying, which I incorrectly assumed would centre around the Michelin issue.

Qualifying took place, and indeed, all 20 cars qualified for Sunday’s Grand Prix.

At approximately 1420 hrs, I attended Bernie’s office, and with representatives present from all other teams, including Ferrari, the meeting commenced. Surprisingly, the main topic of conversation was the number of events and calendar for 2006, followed by a suggestion that a meeting be convened at the next Grand Prix to discuss two issues only – firstly, a proposal for a single-tyre supplier in Formula One, and secondly, whether or not it would be desirable to qualify with or without a race fuel load in 2006. Only at the very end of the meeting did the Michelin tyre issue arise, and in fairness, it was not discussed in any great detail. I personally found this strange, but as I have stated, it did not affect Minardi directly, and therefore I had no reason to pursue the matter.

Throughout Saturday evening, there was considerable speculation in the paddock that the tyre issue was much more serious than at first thought, and people were talking about a fresh shipment of tyres being flown overnight from France, and what penalty the Michelin teams would take should those tyres be used. By the time I left the paddock, people were taking bets on Minardi and Jordan scoring points!

Later that evening, I checked with our Sporting Director on what developments had occurred, and was told that the issue was indeed very serious, and the possibility existed that the Michelin teams would not take part in the race.

Sunday, June 19
I arrived at the circuit at 0815 hrs, only to find the paddock was buzzing with stories suggesting the Michelin teams would be unable to take part in the Grand Prix. I was then handed a copy of correspondence between Michelin, the FIA, and the Michelin teams that revealed the true extent of the problem. By now, journalists were asking if Minardi would agree to a variation of the regulations to allow the Michelin teams to compete, and what penalties I felt would be appropriate.

A planned Minardi press briefing took place at 0930 hrs, and as it was ending, I was summoned to an urgent meeting, along with Jordan, with Bernie Ecclestone, the two most senior Michelin representatives present at the circuit, IMS President Tony George, Team Principals, and technical representatives from the Michelin teams. At this meeting, Michelin, to its credit, admitted that the tyres available were unable to complete a race distance around the Indianapolis circuit without a change to the track configuration, so as to reduce the speed coming out of the last turn onto the banking. Much background information was provided as to the enormous efforts that Michelin, with support from its teams, had undertaken in the preceding 48 hours to try and resolve the problem, but it was clear that all those efforts had failed to produce a suitable solution that wouldn’t involve support from the non-Michelin teams, and ultimately, the FIA.

What was requested of the Bridgestone teams was to allow a chicane to be constructed at Turn 13, which would then allow Michelin to advise their teams that, in their opinion, the tyres would be able to complete the race distance. It was made very clear that this was the only viable option available, as previous suggestions from the FIA, such as speed-limiting the Michelin cars through Turn 13, could, and probably would, give rise to a monumental accident. This idea, as well as one concerning the possibility of pit stops every 10 laps, were dismissed, and discussion returned to the only sensible solution – a chicane. During this discussion, a technical representative with specific knowledge of the Indianapolis circuit, together with representatives from IMS, were tasked with preparing the design of a chicane, and Bernie Ecclestone agreed to speak with the one Team Principal not present, Mr Todt, and to inform the FIA President, Max Mosley, who was not present at Indianapolis, of the planned solution to allow the successful running of the US Grand Prix. With only a few hours now remaining to the start of the race, we agreed to reconvene as soon as Bernie had responses from Messrs Todt and Mosley.

At approximately 1055 hrs, Bernie informed us that not only would Mr Todt not agree, stating that it was not a Ferrari problem, but an FIA and a Michelin problem, but also Mr Mosley had stated that if any attempts were made to alter the circuit, he would cancel the Grand Prix forthwith. These words had a familiar tone to me, as they were similar to those I had heard around midnight on the Friday preceding the 2005 Australian Grand Prix, when I was told by all the senior FIA representatives present that the Australian Grand Prix would be cancelled forthwith if I did not withdraw pending legal action between Minardi and the FIA. Once again, Mr Mosley was not present at that Grand Prix! It is fair to say at this point that the vast majority of people present in the room both felt and stated that Mr Mosley had completely overstepped the mark, had no idea whatsoever of the gravity of the situation, and furthermore, cared even less about the US Grand Prix, its organisers, the fans, and indeed, the hundreds of millions of television viewers around the world who were going to be affected by his intransigence.

By this time, the nine teams had discussed running a non- championship race, or a race in which the Michelin teams could not score points, and even a race whereby only the Michelin teams used the new chicane, and indeed, every other possible option that would allow 20 cars to participate and put on a show, thereby not causing the enormous damage to Formula One that all those present knew would otherwise occur.

By now, most present felt the only option was to install the chicane and race, if necessary, without Ferrari, but with 18 cars, in what would undoubtedly be a non-championship race. We discussed with Bernie the effects of the FIA withdrawing its staff, and agreed among ourselves a Race Director, a Safety Car driver, and other essential positions, and all agreed that, under the circumstances, what was of paramount importance was that the race must go ahead. All further agreed that since we would most likely be denied FIA facilities, such as scales and post-race scrutineering, every competitor would instruct his team and drivers to conduct themselves in the spirit of providing an entertaining race for the good of Formula One.

At this point, we called for all 20 drivers, and indeed, all 20 arrived, at which point we informed them of our plan. While I cannot testify that each and every driver agreed with what we were proposing, what I can say with certainty is that no driver disagreed, and indeed, members of the Grand Prix Drivers’ Association discussed overseeing the construction of a suitable chicane. Jean Todt was the only significant team individual not present, and the Ferrari drivers stated this decision was up to Mr Todt.

I feel it is important to stress that, at this stage, and mindful of the total impossibility – call it force majeure if you wish – of 14 cars being able to compete in the race, the nine teams represented agreed they would not take part in the race unless a solution was found in the interests of Formula One as a global sport, as it was clear to all present that the sport, and not the politics, had to prevail if we were to avoid an impending disaster.

After a short break, we reconvened without the drivers. When I arrived in Bernie’s office, Flavio Briatore was on the telephone to Mr Mosley, and it was quite clear from the body language of the others gathered in the room that Mr Mosley was having none of our suggestions. At the conclusion of the telephone call, it was obvious that many of those in the room had lost all faith in Mr Mosley and his ability to perform his function as President of the FIA in respect of Formula One matters.

I’m sure this sentence will be treated with contempt by Mr Mosley, but what must be realised is that there are various reasons that other Team Principals, and the most senior people in Formula One, will not say publicly what they openly feel privately about Mr Mosley, his politics and his governance of the sport. There is a great temptation to go into those reasons in detail, but that is for another day. Suffice to say, those gathered at Indianapolis felt Mr Mosley, and to a lesser degree, the lack of co-operation from Mr Todt, were about to be responsible for the greatest FIAsco in Formula One’s recent history.

Discussions then took place concerning the other telephone calls with Mr Mosley from, among others, Bernie Ecclestone, Ron Dennis and Tony George, and it was clearly revealed to what extent Mr Mosley was prepared to go in order to achieve his aims. To my total disgust, it was stated that Mosley had informed Mr Martin, the FIA’s most senior representative in the USA, that if any kind of non- championship race was run, or any alteration made to the circuit, the US Grand Prix, and indeed, all FIA-regulated motorsport in the US, would be under threat – again, exactly the same tactic that was used in threatening the Australian Grand Prix and Australian motorsport in March of this year.

By now, it was evident Mosley had bullied the US Grand Prix promoter into submission, Bernie Ecclestone was powerless to intervene, and all efforts of the Team Principals, with the exception of Jean Todt, had failed to save the 2005 US Grand Prix.

At this point, the pit lane had opened and a hasty discussion took place concerning whether or not the Michelin teams would go to the grid. A radio had been delivered to me by team personnel at this stage, and I was able to know which cars were going to the grid. It is interesting to note that the Jordan Team Principal was not present at this time, and indeed, it was the Jordans that first proceeded to the grid, followed by the Ferraris. After discussion with Bernie Ecclestone, it was agreed the Michelin teams would go to the grid, but were absolutely prevented from participating in the race because of the tyre situation.

We then proceeded to the grid, at which point I asked Jordan’s Colin Kolles if he intended to stand by the other teams or participate in the race. In no uncertain terms, I was told Jordan would be racing. I was also approached by a Bridgestone representative, who informed me that Bridgestone wished us to race. This left me with one of the most difficult decisions I have had to take during my time in F1, as I did not want to race, but given my current relationship with Mr Mosley, felt certain heavy sanctions would follow if I did not. I made it clear to Bernie Ecclestone, and several Team Principals, that if the Jordans either went off or retired, I would withdraw the Minardi cars from the race.

It is important for people to realise that Minardi, the seven Michelin teams, Bernie Ecclestone, and the promoters did not agree with Mr Mosley’s tactics. For the reasons previously outlined, it may take some considerable time, if ever, for this to be admitted, but there is no question in my mind that the farce that occurred on Sunday, June 19, 2005 at Indianapolis was the responsibility of the FIA President, Max Mosley, and compounded by the lack of support from Jean Todt.

For the avoidance of doubt, in my opinion, Michelin was responsible enough to admit that the problem was of their creation. When one considers that even the replacement, Barcelona-specification tyres that were shipped to IMS, when tested, apparently exhibited the same characteristics as those that originally failed, this clearly is a case of force majeure, as I do not for a moment believe that Michelin intentionally brought tyres to the event that were unsuitable for competition.

Far more importantly, however, Mosley refused to accept any of the solutions offered, and that refusal was, I believe, politically motivated. Therefore, I feel he failed in his duty, and that is why I have called for his resignation.

Much discussion and debate will undoubtedly take place over the coming weeks and months, but I believe this is a truthful and honest account of the facts, and not the fiction, surrounding the responsibility for this FIAsco. People can now make up their own minds!"

Press Release
MinardiF1

Fuck Max Mosley...
 
Toyota are the only team to have come out of the US GP fiasco well.

They knew the tyre situation was terminal and knew they couldn’t race.

They qualified with three laps worth of fuel in the tank and grabbed the only good publicity going by putting Jarno Trulli on pole.

Kimi Raikkonen actually did the outstanding job of qualifying, being second on the grid with a heavy fuel load, but Toyota nicked all the headlines.

How did they know the tyres were terminal?

Because they now employ Pascal Vasselon, ex-Michelin F1 project manager, who was let go by the French tyre manufacturer at the end of last season, and who is probably now a very relieved man.

He would have told his new team through his contacts that the tyres in question had been made with an inferior batch of materials.

The failures were different from any Michelin had ever seen before. The tyre tread was, in fact, dis-bonding from the casing. It un-bonded. The problem only happened on the heavily-loaded outside left rear tyre and only on the banked section of Turn 13.

But Pascal would also have let his new employers know that this problem would not be related just to the camber and suspension settings of the Toyota, nor would it be simply down to the team running low tyre pressures.

It would happen to everyone. So with that knowledge, they sent Trulli out to grab the pole.

By the way, many at Toyota were bricking it when the idea of installing a chicane took shape on Saturday night. If everyone had raced with a chicane, Jarno would have had to pit on lap two!

...


Jenson Button and David Coulthard were also on that plane, and sportingly had nothing but encouragement for the Portuguese, advising him to take podiums any way they come.

Rumour has it that Jenson actually cleaned up with a fairly sizeable bet on a Monteiro podium.

Is that legal? :lol :lol :lol

http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=General&PO_ID=33232
 
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