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Official Madden 13 Xbox 360 Online Franchise Thread:Stat padding? Never heard of him.

Rorschach

Member
Good point, and I agree, but even then, part of being a good leader and team player is not putting your team at risk by playing too injured. I mean, he was constantly saying, "I gave our team the best chance to win." That's completely throwing Cousins under the bus. Without Cousins we don't win against the Ravens or the Browns. It's really both his and Shanahan's fault, but would Andy Reid, Tom Coughlin, any other NFL coach had handled it differently?

If you're in there, and everyone with eyes can see you are limping around, your coaches are sending you a message that you really are the best hope for a W if they don't take you out. It's the player's job to play. It's the coach's job to determine when it's no longer a good decision to play. Coaches have the power to stop this. It's like a corner not throwing in the towel for his fighter. Of course the fighter is gonna fight until the bell rings or he gets put down, but the corner has the obligation to stop it if his fighter is going to get hurt. Except this is worse because the coach has another fighter waiting in the wings and other players to pick up the slack. He put his franchise player at risk for a wildcard game in his rookie season. Unbelievable. This isn't even for the belt. It's for some tournament.

And of course the rookie is gonna go back in. Imagine the shit he would take if he took himself out. It's not even like he's a vet like Cutler. A rookie taking himself out who was voted the leader of the team? It probably wasn't even an option in his mind. I could never defend Shanny if he was my coach. Especially if I had a seemingly good guy and a potentially great player like RGIII.
 

eznark

Banned
Knee is so fucked up that they have to cut him open to tell. Early rumors suggest amputation is the only answer. @incarceratedznark
 

LiveWire

Member
And of course the rookie is gonna go back in. Imagine the shit he would take if he took himself out. It's not even like he's a vet like Cutler. A rookie taking himself out who was voted the leader of the team? It probably wasn't even an option in his mind. I could never defend Shanny if he was my coach. Especially if I had a seemingly good guy and a potentially great player like RGIII.

Look how much shit Cutler got for staying out of the NFC Championship Game. People said "omg it's for a shot at the SuperBowl, you have to stay in no matter what."

Hell, even after the Ravens game, Luke was telling me RG3 was being a whiny bitch for not staying in the game.

I think a lot of this is Monday morning QBing by everyone. I don't disagree Shanahan has blame to share, but this is what worried me about RG3 after watching the first few weeks of press conferences. His confidence is a double-edged sword, and I was worried it might turn into arrogance at some point. His attitude after the game about "I was the best option" was different than Cutler. How bad do you think it hurt Cutler to stay out and watch the Bears lose?

Anyway, it was fun while it lasted. Thankfully the rest of the NFC East doesn't look that great, we may still have a shot in the future with or without RG3.
 

Rorschach

Member
Look how much shit Cutler got for staying out of the NFC Championship Game. People said "omg it's for a shot at the SuperBowl, you have to stay in no matter what."

Exactly my point. It would have been even worse for a rook and/or someone who actually gives a shit. Shanny's job to take him out of that situation.
 

Mrbob

Member
I think this is a bigger case than Monday Morning QB. Someone screwed up badly and didn't listen to the doctors. Whether it Shanahan or RG3 convincing Shanahan he could go. Might have affected his long term health by him playing injured.
 

BigAT

Member
Look how much shit Cutler got for staying out of the NFC Championship Game. People said "omg it's for a shot at the SuperBowl, you have to stay in no matter what."

That's why the coach takes it out of the player's hands and makes the decision for them. Hell, even if the player says "I'm too injured, I can't go on" any coach that is even halfway worthwhile will fall on the sword and say it was their decision to keep him out.
 

LiveWire

Member
Exactly my point. It would have been even worse for a rook and/or someone who actually gives a shit. Shanny's job to take him out of that situation.

That's why the coach takes it out of the player's hands and makes the decision for them. Hell, even if the player says "I'm too injured, I can't go on" any coach that is even halfway worthwhile will fall on the sword and say it was their decision to keep him out.


No my point is hindsight is always 20/20 after the fact. People were tweeting about how Cutler was whiny during that NFC Championship Game. I can't remember if it was Lovie's decision or Cutler's, but I thought it was Cutler's call.
 

CB3

intangibles, motherfucker
Look how much shit Cutler got for staying out of the NFC Championship Game. People said "omg it's for a shot at the SuperBowl, you have to stay in no matter what."

Hell, even after the Ravens game, Luke was telling me RG3 was being a whiny bitch for not staying in the game.

I think a lot of this is Monday morning QBing by everyone. I don't disagree Shanahan has blame to share, but this is what worried me about RG3 after watching the first few weeks of press conferences. His confidence is a double-edged sword, and I was worried it might turn into arrogance at some point. His attitude after the game about "I was the best option" was different than Cutler. How bad do you think it hurt Cutler to stay out and watch the Bears lose?

Anyway, it was fun while it lasted. Thankfully the rest of the NFC East doesn't look that great, we may still have a shot in the future with or without RG3.

Luke doesnt like RG3. Its like me talking shit about Eli. Yeah he sucks now too but he is also a Giant so im not exactly unbiased.

As i said, it was clear to alot of people either before halftime or during the 3rd quarter that his knee was ready to explode on the drop of a time. Its not monday morning quarterbacking. It was right there to see. You dont take chances with knee's in sports. Ever. Culpeppers career ended in one play. Done. You gotta look at the bigger picture and live to fight another day. The coaching staff failed him.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Robert Griffin expected to undergo surgery this week on torn LCL and at that time doctors will determine if any damage has been done to ACL.

That should scare the shit out of you.
 

Mrbob

Member
No my point is hindsight is always 20/20 after the fact. People were tweeting about how Cutler was whiny during that NFC Championship Game. I can't remember if it was Lovie's decision or Cutler's, but I thought it was Cutler's call.

Nope. It was the team doctor which kept him out.
 

Trasher

Member
Remaining games:

CLE/CIN

SD/BAL

DEN/TB

Nope. It was the team doctor which kept him out.

Fattford didn't give a FUCK about team doctors when he won that Cleveland game! When there's a will there's a way. When there's a pout...well there's nothing then.
 

Mrbob

Member
Fattford didn't give a FUCK about team doctors when he won that Cleveland game! When there's a will there's a way. When there's a pout...well there's nothing then.

With all that gravity weighing him down I'm surprised he didn't have career ending injury.
 

LukeSmith

Member
Remaining games:

CLE/CIN

SD/BAL

DEN/TB



Fattford didn't give a FUCK about team doctors when he won that Cleveland game! When there's a will there's a way. When there's a pout...well there's nothing then.

That Stat Padford soundFX was amazing. He's a man, he's filled with jelly and made of glass -- but he's a man.

Sucks for skins fans, I'd be crestfallen if Luck went down like that. But all of the Skins fans calling RG3 Black Jesus probably didn't sit wel with the son of man.
 

eznark

Banned
That Stat Padford soundFX was amazing. He's a man, he's filled with jelly and made of glass -- but he's a man.

Sucks for skins fans, I'd be crestfallen if Luck went down like that. But all of the Skins fans calling RG3 Black Jesus probably didn't sit wel with the son of man.

In three years he will rise again to judge the living and the dead. Then he will go back on the IR.
 

BigAT

Member
Eli Manning is now the NFC East quarterback who is most down with the cause.

eli-bye-packers-4_3_r560.jpg
 

CB3

intangibles, motherfucker
Ive actually already got my DVR set for RG3's 30 For 30 in about 15 years. Im especially looking forward to him reflecting on his flameout Miami and Oakland years while on a farm somewhere about 50 pounds overweight.
 

daw840

Member
np bro! You did a better job building the chiefs than I did the jags!



Sure did.

12/17 194 yds and 2 TDs

I run a really conservative offense and
I'm still trying to learn the playbook... so that's about as good as I can expect from him!

I think I've always been pretty good at building the right personnel. Just not actually controlling them. Lol
 

CB3

intangibles, motherfucker
My good friend Eznark.

If we advance tonight i can play if you'd like. If not, just name another time and we'll get it in.
 
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