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Official March 2008 NPD - There are no words. Almost $1B in SW sales
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Fixed. Since the average person doesn't know exactly who makes what, the situation is never going to be what some people are hoping for. Developers that are owned by large publishers don't answer to stock holders, or games like GTA IV would never get delayed to begin with.
borghe said:
It's not worthwhile to spend a big budget on a big production for a Wii game, when people aren't buying the Wii for those games, and when you can achieve equal or greater success with game productions with average production values and average budget.
It defies common sense. It's all about market segmentation, it's not about if the Wii will have traditional games, which it will obviously, and it already has, it's about how far will you go with those traditional games really.
A game like MGS4 has no place on the Wii. I think that's the point, and it's true. But i don't see that as a bad thing, it just means it's different, and that's good for the HD and the Wii. If the consoles all did the same i doubt the Wii would be selling like it is now, remember last gen, Wii sells cus it's different, that's the whole point.
I'd imagine the next PSP GTA (if there is one) will be ported to Wii. But anyone hoping for a next-gen GTA exclusive is silly. Take Two isn't going to bother with something like that when they can (A) still get incredible sales on the PS360, and (B) still get incredible sales with Carnival Games.Vagabundo said:
Qwerty710710
a child left behind
frankie_baby said:
Uhhhhhh yes it will GTA is much much more popular than either of those games. I'll go out on a limb and say GTA will sell 4 million on it's first week.
norinrad21
Banned
I'm personally loving the way things are unfolding. A lot of 3rd parties will go out of business based on the notion that the wii is a fad that would die down soon.
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
MidiSurf said:
didn't they say something like 120k? must be some pages ago
Sho_Nuff82
Member
norinrad21 said:
I'm sure the world will miss Midway and Infogrames/Atari.
Everyone else is making money hand over fist with the current status quo.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
But chocolate is > strawberry!WrikaWrek said:
Unless it has big chunks of real strawberries in it...Then chocolate = strawberry.
jmdajr said:
I hope not. I'm not growing any younger, i want the cycle to remain consistent, i like seeing the next step in GFX.
Lobster said:
If people wanted to play MGS4 they would be buying a PS3, if they wanted GEArs they would be buying a 360.
You don't buy a Wii and expect to be faced with something that is a technical marvel and pushes production values in games to the next step.
The most popular game on the Wii still is Wii sports.
BuddhaRockstar
Member
WrikaWrek said:
Guess you have to convince the rest of the world.
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
pswii60 said:
I agree with your previous post, this certainly is funnier
this entire post is baseless conjecture. That's not meant to be rude, but a fact. 2.7M gamers bought SSBB, a very traditional game. almost 2M people have bought SMG, a very traditional game. You of course will certainly point out that they're Nintendo games, but I would counter with the fact that beyond Nintendo games, they are superbly made traditional titles.WrikaWrek said:
A sillier statement could not have possibly been made. You give me your reason on why a MGS style game doesn't belong on Wii, and I'll tell you exactly why you are wrong, with examples and proof.
WrikaWrek said:
No fucking shit? and btw..you just posted something..totally irrelevant to the post I was referring to.
Right..its fucking packed in. How the fuck do you not expect EVERYONE to have it? How do you know its the most popular game on the Wii? My friend and I have been playing Fifa 08 a lot..I think its safe to assume that Fifa 08 on Wii is the most popular game on Wii.
borghe said:
Here is the reason he gave me..
WrikaWrek said:
I don't even think he remembers his last post..
mr_bishiuk
Banned
pollo said:
If i want to have a cheap weekend and save some money I buy a game, that could be what we are seeing here.
When we see a game on the level of production scale that MGS4 and others have on the HD consoles, on the Wii, THEN i will admit that those games actually can be done well and work well on the Wii.
Until then, i'm right.
Mario Galaxy is Mario, it sells because it's mario. Sonic doesn't sell shit these days but Mario and Sonic has sold what? 4 million copies? And it's a crappy game.
SSB sells because it's a bunch of nintendo characters fighting each other. Traditional? Tell me when a fighter like tekken is made on the Wii and then sells like SSB. I don't remember seeing Soul Calibur 2 selling nearly as good as SS last gen, which had link and that was the big reason for the GC version to sell so well.
Seriously, you can tell me a lot of stories, but i can tell you that i think you will be hard pressed to find a developer thinking that it's a good idea to make this massive production on the Wii when the Wii doesn't have the tech ability to show off such a production and when the reason why people love the wii is because of games like Wii sports.
Now the difference between you and me i guess is that i don't think that's negative, i like my Wii, and i like my HD consoles, they offer me different experiences, and i understand why the Wii experience is winning.
I do think it's completely counter nature to think the Wii is the same as the others, it's not, it's disruptive tech and as such it should be faced as disruptive tech, you adapt to it, you don't try to do the same in it that you do in the others. That's missing the point.
Now you might get upset because maybe you are stuck just with a Wii, but i don't have that problem and "love" both the consoles for what they are.
Until then, i'm right.
Mario Galaxy is Mario, it sells because it's mario. Sonic doesn't sell shit these days but Mario and Sonic has sold what? 4 million copies? And it's a crappy game.
SSB sells because it's a bunch of nintendo characters fighting each other. Traditional? Tell me when a fighter like tekken is made on the Wii and then sells like SSB. I don't remember seeing Soul Calibur 2 selling nearly as good as SS last gen, which had link and that was the big reason for the GC version to sell so well.
Seriously, you can tell me a lot of stories, but i can tell you that i think you will be hard pressed to find a developer thinking that it's a good idea to make this massive production on the Wii when the Wii doesn't have the tech ability to show off such a production and when the reason why people love the wii is because of games like Wii sports.
Now the difference between you and me i guess is that i don't think that's negative, i like my Wii, and i like my HD consoles, they offer me different experiences, and i understand why the Wii experience is winning.
I do think it's completely counter nature to think the Wii is the same as the others, it's not, it's disruptive tech and as such it should be faced as disruptive tech, you adapt to it, you don't try to do the same in it that you do in the others. That's missing the point.
Now you might get upset because maybe you are stuck just with a Wii, but i don't have that problem and "love" both the consoles for what they are.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Loudninja said:
In just 2 days. Great.
wayward archer
Member
pollo said:
Also gas prices are making entertaining yourself at home a lot cheaper than going out several nights a week.
lawblob said:
I don't think 360/PS3 sales aren't that underwhelming for a $350/$400 piece of hardware. It's march, not 4th quarter.
Wii is the anomaly here.
HDTV sales are actually pretty good right now. LCD tvs were one of circuit city's biggest moneymakers this quarter.
Skellig Gra
Member
And yet you think the companies making the least amount of money are the ones making the right decisions?WrikaWrek said:
MisterHero
Super Member
MGS4 sells because it's MGS?WrikaWrek said:
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
pollo said:
Don't blame recession... blame Wii Fit (is this still banable?)
CitizenCope
Member
You are right. One of my more stupid purchases in a long time. Someone kick me in the nards.Andokuky said:
_Alkaline_
Member
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that was a prediction, not a real number.
You aren't the first to be tricked.
borghe said:
Not only are those two Nintendo games, as you expected people to point out, but did you seriously expect the latest Mario platformer, and the Smash Bros for this gen to underperform? These two are NO indication as to what 3rd party devs can expect from the Wii userbase.
People like to throw this around, but in the minds of 3rd party devs, there is no evidence that neither gamers stopped caring for better graphics, nor that the PS2 owners have now moved on to Wii. HD games have proven to be financially viable, and devs will not abandon this any time soon.
A lot of games nowadays are all about presentation, and 3rd party devs will continue to use the best (or close to) technology available to achieve their vision. It doesn't hurt that this remains financially viable.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
WrikaWrek said:
Don't worry to prove your point, because soon you will see the big franchises jumping to the Wii (MH was the first, DQ left PS and many will follow).
You will also see big franchises going down and new franchises taking the world by storm.
Just wait for E3.
Hollywood Duo said:
Sorry i don't follow you.
schuelma said:
They sold both a million or so right? Well they are gamecube games, big franchise, made history on the gamecube, was at lower price point.
I mean sure, but the thing is you can't make RES5 on the Wii, and when you buy the Wii you know you won't be playing something like Res5, that's what i'm saying. So i don't expect people to try and make Res5 on the Wii, i do expect people to try and make a Res for the Wii.
manueldelalas said:
Sure. As always it gets dragged into wii fans thinking the wii is here to suck up the games from the others.
I don't see it like that at all. I'm sure DQ will be made for the Ps3 in the future, and MH too. They will be on Wii and Ds sure, but that doesn't mean it won't be on the PS3.
MisterHero said:
Not this gen..
It probably won't even get over 500k in Japan..
Everybody's Golf which is bigger than MGS in Japan underperformed severely..doing about 350k iirc.
Bulla564 said:
Yeah but you see..its not financially viable unless you're backed by a big company..
Hear me out for a second..
Uncharted did over a 1 million WW but it took a while. It made a profit for sure but guess what? Umbrella Chronicles made WAY more of a profit even though they sold similar ammounts.
You honestly think that making a small profit on a next-gen console is worth it just because it looks awesome?
besada said:
Yeah and where the hell are those tiny developers going to go?
Suda51 would have not been holding a party for selling 100k if his game was on the 360 or Ps3..
Epiphyte said:
I don't see publishers complaining about sales on the 360/Ps3, sorry. They seem to be pretty happy.
And at the same time, they are also happy that the Wii is such a success and that there's already 3rd parties making good money on it.
Then it goes about creativity/devs wishes/publishers release schedules etc etc. Fox makes T.V shows, they also make movies, etc
So if your question is "but if x games sell the best, why not make just games like those" don't, think about what i said about fox.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
WrikaWrek said:
Sorry but DQ will never be on PS3. Many reasons for this;
First, besides DQ1, not a single DQ game has been ported to another console in the generation it is released (not even spinoffs).
Second the PS3 is failing bad in Japan (its under 9000!!!), and everyone knows that DQ sells the most in Japan.
Third SE hasn't made any announcement regarding a DQ game on PS3, not even a cameo. The only DQ games we've seen this gen are for Wii and DS.
At this point I find much more possible to see a port of DQ8 on Wii (and maybe PSP seeing it's momentum in Japan).
It's very possible that MH won't be on PS3; the main reason is that every console MH will get ported to the PSP, and porting from Wii to PSP is much easier; it's a money making game from Capcom, expect MH3 Portable months after the Wii release, but it would be foolish to expect MH PS3.
The top 100 list for 2007 (UK+US) actually suggests that a lot of PS2 owners are moving to the Wii. But not the crowd that bought the hardcore games so much as the crowd that bought all the shovelware that has always dominated most of the software catalogue of any successful system, and tends to dominate the more hardcore games as well. Third party devs are making a ton of games for the Wii already, which is something I don't think GAF sees because outside of the "Car Vault" humor potential GAFers are generally totally disinterested in, if not disgusted by, that kind of game. The split is just much more obvious this generation, with the PS360 getting barely any casuals and the Wii getting a ton, and the games for the most part reflect that.Bulla564 said:
That said, there's absolutely no reason why third parties couldn't be successful on the Wii. The Nintendo base, for example, is what I suspect is behind the sales of games like RE4:Wii, and obviously accounts for the fact that high-profile Nintendo games always chart predictably high. But it has a lot of other gamers as well. While I'm sure a substantial number are converted nongamers, a pretty high number are also kids. Kids are pretty receptive to more hardcore games, especially since they tend to have a lot of free time, and I think that the fact that Nintendo is giving a lot of them their first taste is an indirect side effect Nintendo is very happy about, since it means they're likely to have at least a tenuous hold on another generation or so of Nintendo fans. Third parties could take advantage of that base too--they just don't really see any reason to in the short run, when they can make so much with cheaper games.
Uncharted unfortunately has not done over one million worldwide, or at least hadn't by the beginning of March '07 (EU+NA top 100 charts). I think it's shipped that many though.Lobster said:
WrikaWrek said:
Of course publishers don't complain about sales on the 360/Ps3..they don't even complain about sales on Wii.
They do on the other hand praise Wii sales every time their annual reports are released..They never seem to praise the Ps3 sales even though they seem to be confident that thats where their big games should go.
speculawyer
Member
Oh man, that is pathetic! The Wii really is the kiddie/senior/family console. I can understand the weak manhunt 2 sales, but Bully is a really fun open world game but with lots of non family game mischief. And there are many other examples. Like EA's good Medal of Honor game that didn't sell all that well.Raw64life said:
I think that most of the more hardcore gamers that own Wiis also own 360s or PS3s such that they buy their shooters & sports games on those HD platforms and just buy the Nintendo IP titles for the Wii.