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[montanha]

wow, just read this. on my 2nd playthrough now, so I must try to find them:

SPOILERAGE:

The 3 Sons Snakes
During the final battle with The Boss, equip the Thermal Goggles and search for 3 snakes in the field. These snakes are Snake Liquid, Snake Solid, and Snake Solidus. Anyone who has played 'The Twin Snakes' will notice that they are the names of the three 'Sons of Big Boss'. Each snake has a great taste and recovers a great amount of stamina.
Contributed By: volcansnake

 

[Wario64]

wow, just read this. on my 2nd playthrough now, so I must try to find them:

SPOILERAGE:

The 3 Sons Snakes
During the final battle with The Boss, equip the Thermal Goggles and search for 3 snakes in the field. These snakes are Snake Liquid, Snake Solid, and Snake Solidus. Anyone who has played 'The Twin Snakes' will notice that they are the names of the three 'Sons of Big Boss'. Each snake has a great taste and recovers a great amount of stamina.
Contributed By: volcansnake

Yep. Now it makes sense when that TGS 2003 trailer said "How do you like your sanke? We recommend SOLID"

 

[TTP]

Spoiler

I got those snakes (alive) but nothing special happened once I completed the game. I'd hope so 'cos you don't actually need all that stamina during the last boss fight. Maybe I should eat all of them? Anyway, they are easy to find. There are 3 logs in the area. Each "Snake" is behind one of these logs.

 

[TTP]

God Damn, the encounter with Sorrow was freaky. Freaky as hell. I had to stop playing mid-chase scene becasue it was way too late last night, and I was left with so little energy

Spoiler

at the part where Shagohod starts firing missiles

that I kept dying anyways. Now I hope that by leaving the game alone for a day, the energy will replenish, like it did one other time I did that.

Is it me or everyone happens to reach the

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chase part

late at night? :lol

 

[montanha]

Is it me or everyone happens to reach the

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chase part

late at night? :lol

:lol
haha, yeah. I sure did, got to bed at 4:00AM sat night.
then again, I beat it at around 2:30AM and had to start a new game immediately. this game has RUINED all others evar! I can't put anything else in my PS2!

 

[Drey1082]

Is it me or everyone happens to reach the

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chase part

late at night? :lol

I didn't reach that part late at night, but I could see a lot of people finishing that game a lot later than expected, since I thought for sure it was over

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after destroying the Shagohod.

It seems like after the

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torture scene

I told my self there can't be much more about every half hour. Game went on for about another 2 or 3 hours at least, probably much more. I lose track of time when I play games, especially good ones like MGS3

 

[montanha]

2 days after beating it, I am STILL thinking about the game and story all day, questioning many many things.
One thing:

Spoiler

When you fight the Boss and she unzips to reveal her 'Snake scar'-why is it so frickin huge? Did they cut a real Snake ou of her? And why does the scar slither away after the battle? What is the meaning there?

 

[Vagrant]

Thanks vagrant. I'm going for a stealthy play-through then. It's gonna be fun.

It is pretty fun thinking of no alert strategies. BTW, You may not be able to continue either as both times I got it was with no continues being used, you can kill and save as much as you like though.

I just got

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Infinity face paint (gives you infinite ammo for every weapon)

for getting the Foxhound rank. Kinda useless since I got the

Spoiler

Patriot

already but atleast they give you a reward for a top rank unlike MGS1&2 where getting Big Boss didn't get you squat.

 

[TTP]

2 days after beating it, I am STILL thinking about the game and story all day, questioning many many things.
One thing:

Spoiler

When you fight the Boss and she unzips to reveal her 'Snake scar'-why is it so frickin huge? Did they cut a real Snake ou of her? And why does the scar slither away after the battle? What is the meaning there?

That's open to wild speculation I guess. But I'm sure SolidSnakeX will enlight us all with his perspicacity

 

[Miburou]

*SPOILERS*

So what was everyone's strategy to beating The Boss? I didn't have any white camo, and it took too long trying to snipe her from afar or sneak up on her by crawling, so I ended up just repeatedly countering her CQC and knocking her to the ground to get a free shot at her.

 

[Riskbreaker]

Oooo, I gotta pick that up. What's on the cover?

Goldeneye: Rogue Agent is on the cover....

The PSM DVD contains:

Metal Gear Solid 3
Devil May Cry 3
Mega Man X8
GTA: San Andreas
Gran Turismo 4
NFSU 2
Sly 2
Timesplitter 3
Burnout 3
WWE Smackdown vs Raw
Jak 3
R & C 3
Midnight Club 3
Prince of Persia:WW
Def Jam: FFNY
Star Wars Battlefront
Dodgeball Movie Trailer

 

[montanha]

*SPOILERS*

So what was everyone's strategy to beating The Boss? I didn't have any white camo, and it took too long trying to snipe her from afar or sneak up on her by crawling, so I ended up just repeatedly countering her CQC and knocking her to the ground to get a free shot at her.

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I put on the Snow camo and took some snipes at her. then I started to feel like she deserved better form Snake, and I tried CQC but got schooled. So I started laying Claymores around me and then letting her see me, and I would stay in plain sight until she came my way and then BLAM she got Claymored. Then I countered her in some CQC and punched and kicked her. I couldn't slam her to the ground though. I just read that you can though, after you counter her CQC, approach her from the side or back and then slam to the ground.

PS. when you zoom in on her with the Sniper rifle, her face and features look SO damn real and just add to the drama of the battle. (tear in mye eye...)
:lol

 

[Liono]

I just rented the game, it looks pretty cool, but whats up with Snake's voice? The voice actor just didnt care much for this one

I'd have to agree. Hayter had his head in the clouds this time I thought. After watching one of the japanese trailers I don't even think he was right for the role to begin with. It seems like he's just getting lazier with each new game.

On the other hand, major zero and a few others were fantastic. It's too bad though that they dropped all the accents and didn't lip sync. It seems like such a waste to have such an incredibly cinematic game but then not have their mouths move when they talk.

 

[Piecake]

2 days after beating it, I am STILL thinking about the game and story all day, questioning many many things.
One thing:

Spoiler

When you fight the Boss and she unzips to reveal her 'Snake scar'-why is it so frickin huge? Did they cut a real Snake ou of her? And why does the scar slither away after the battle? What is the meaning there?

Spoiler

perhaps its symbolic. Up until the end, Jack was not capable of killing The Boss, and consequently not a true soldier. Killing the Boss transforms Jack into Big Boss which would make him a true soldier because he is willing to follow his mission/beliefs to the end. the name Snake and the animal represets the incomplete soldier who's not in control and cannot decide on what he believes in and what he wants to do. Thats why the snake crawls off of the boss's skin, because its symbolic of the Snake in Jack disapearing and the Big Boss in him emerging. Or maybe im just looking to far into things :lol

heh, looked at it again and the way i wrote it was real confusing, so i wrote it again :lol

 

[montanha]

Spoiler

perhaps its symbolic. Up until the end, snake was not capable of killing The Boss, and consequently not a true soldier. Killing the Boss, transforms snake into Big Boss, The true soldier, he is no longer a snake, an incomplete soldier who cannot complete the mission he is given. He follows one path and sticks with it, not waivering. Thats why the snake crawls off of the boss's skin, because its symbolic of the snake disapearing in Big Boss, and the Big Boss emerging. Or maybe im just looking to far into things :lol

woah! in Keanu Reeves voice. no, seriously, "That's DAMN good" I like the theory and it is truly poetic and fitting.

oh yeah, and now tell me what he meant by this:

re: Hayter's voice this time. I thought it was great! sure, there were some lines that were a little off maybe, but look at hoe much VO they had to record this time around! man, for the hours of talking he had to do, I only think like 2 or 3 lines were iffy. Other than that, it was (ahem) Snake all the way!

 

[Brofist]

*SPOILERS*

So what was everyone's strategy to beating The Boss? I didn't have any white camo, and it took too long trying to snipe her from afar or sneak up on her by crawling, so I ended up just repeatedly countering her CQC and knocking her to the ground to get a free shot at her.

Killed her 3 different ways.

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1. Hid with Snow camo and sniped her with the Mosin Nagant to get the Snake camo.
2. CQC. Everytime she comes to attack using CQC it's fairly easy to counter and beat the crap out of her. Maybe 1 out of 4 times she drop me.
3. Unloaded on her with the Patriot.

 

[Miburou]

I tought the scar had something to do with her giving birth? And who is her child? Perhaps Snake? BTW, why does he tell Ocelot his name is John and not Jack? And why does Ocelot give him a name different from that from MGS2 (Shalashanka or something)?

As for the fight, after countering her CQC, she would be wide open, so I would just perform two punch-punch-kick combos on her to knock her down. It takes around 16 shotgun blasts to defeat her, but just knocking her down 20 times or so seems to completely deplete her stamina gauge. I gotta try that next.

 

[Brofist]

I tought the scar had something to do with her giving birth? And who is her child? Perhaps Snake? BTW, why does he tell Ocelot his name is John and not Jack? And why does Ocelot give me a name different from that from MGS2 (Shalashanka or something)?

I think Ocelot gave Snake a false name, Adamska or whatever he said. I think the reason Snake replies by telling Ocelot his name is John is because he didn't believe Ocelot told him his true name so he told him an obvious b.s. name as well.

 

[TTP]

I tought the scar had something to do with her giving birth? And who is her child? Perhaps Snake? BTW, why does he tell Ocelot his name is John and not Jack? And why does Ocelot give me a name different from that from MGS2 (Shalashanka or something)?

Spoiler

It has alreaby been revealed in this very thread that Ocelot is the son of The Boss & The Sorrow. During a codec conversation with EVA she says Ocelot's mather gave away her son and had this strange looking scar on her chest that resembled a snake. Or something along these lines. Also, being The Sorrow's son explains all that shit about Liquid taking over his body in MGS2. He's like a medium thanks to his father genes.

 

[Miburou]

Was that an optional codec conversation? I don't really recall it. And I skipped most of the thread to avoid spoiling it before I completed the game. Anyway, thanks for the explanation.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Was that an optional codec conversation? I don't really recall it. And I skipped most of the thread to avoid spoiling it before I completed the game. Anyway, thanks for the explanation.

Yeah, you had to talk to EVA in the first set of caves to get it.

 

[KilledByBill]

BTW, why does he tell Ocelot his name is John and not Jack?

Jack is a nickname for John.

Remember in the begining when Snake tells Paramedic that his name is John Doe and she replies, "and they call you Jack for short?" He has no reason to lie by that point.

 

[ToyMachine228]

Being able to spin the Single Action Army around your finger in first-person...Such a cool touch!

 

[Laurent]

Jack is a nickname for John.

Remember in the begining when Snake tells Paramedic that his name is John Doe and she replies, "and they call you Jack for short?" He has no reason to lie by that point.

How can they call him Jack for short!!11!1 John is short enough!!1!!1 *Falls into the sea of absurdity*

 

[Synbios459]

Just to clarify Ademska IS Ocelots real name. Shalashaska is (IIRC) what middle-eastern tribes know him by. In MGS 1 he says as much.

BTW, anyone else here have a hard time believing that the Snake we play in MGS3 becomes the heartless man in MG 1, and 2? I dunno, but after playing MGS3 he seems to be a very nice and likeable guy who just wants to do what's right, even if it means making sacrifices. Yet we are told that he raises Liquid and treats him like crap and always tells him how "inferior" he is. As well as doing many illegal behind the scenes things.

 

[Miburou]

What I would like to know is how did Snake transform into Sean Connery? :lol

 

[CrichtonKicks]

BTW, anyone else here have a hard time believing that the Snake we play in MGS3 becomes the heartless man in MG 1, and 2? I dunno, but after playing MGS3 he seems to be a very nice and likeable guy who just wants to do what's right, even if it means making sacrifices. Yet we are told that he raises Liquid and treats him like crap and always tells him how "inferior" he is. As well as doing many illegal behind the scenes things.

Where did it say that he raised Liquid? I thought Liquid was borne and trained in the UK (hence the accent).

 

[Crazymoogle]

Just to clarify Adamska IS Ocelots real name. Shalashaska is (IIRC) what middle-eastern tribes know him by. In MGS 1 he says as much.

Yes, Shalashaska is an alias, but...

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What's your thinking behind thinking Adamska is Ocelot's real name?? The only person in the game I can recall who mentions the name is Ocelot himself, and for the mission he was originally supposed to be ADAM...which seems to confirm what KilledByBill just said about each side giving a generic name alias.

 

[Synbios459]

True, but I just don't think Ocelot was lying, after all it was just a first name, it's not as if revealing it would've gotten him into serious trouble.

 

[Miburou]

Spoiler

So Ocelot has always been serving The Philosophers in the US. Pretty interesting. And he fought Big Boss, and his son, Solid Snake, and double crossed his other sons, Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Wow, don't tell me I'm the only one.

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After hearing about The End being this grueling 1 hour fight, I decided to time myself. So as soon as the fight started, I spent about 10 minutes just creeping around. I made it to the second segment of the forest where I discovered his first location. I saw his sniper casting a sunbeam took out the Dragunov and fired two shots at him (both of which took life). I followed him with my scope to his next location, crawled for a better location and shot at him twice more. Repeat about 2 more times and he was done for. It took me 13 minutes to beat him.

My fight with The Boss, I lost twice after running out of time. Then I noticed that if I equipped the right camo and hid, she'd put her guard down and start looking for me. When she exposed herself, I'd shoot her twice with the Dragunov again. Repeat and win. Great strategy.

Then my fight with The Fear. I didn't have Thermal Goggles...and I didn't know what the hell to do. So what'd I do? I started following his transparent outline and unleashed bullets wherever I felt necessary. Once I took his over half of his bar, he began to emit sparks and static and beating him down was cake afterwards. I beat him pretty damn quick despite not having the goggles. I picked them up after I got the key to the red door -- thank God.

I put in 16 hours (to the dot!) into the game on my first go. And then I played it over again, but this time on Easy because I wanted to find some of the hidden cutscenes and other goodies. Apparently you can't get the good stuff while playing on Easy, so I'm not replaying the game for a 3rd time on Normal again (just doing quick run throughs). I heard there were two ways to get the stealth camo, right? One is to shoot all of the frogs and the other was to beat the game twice?

 

[AlphaSnake]

Spoiler

So Ocelot has always been serving The Philosophers in the US. Pretty interesting. And he fought Big Boss, and his son, Solid Snake, and double crossed his other sons, Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake.

Spoiler

It would be very safe to say that Ocelot does not affiliate himself with anyone exclusively. He is his own man and will never let anyone control him.

 

[TTP]

Wow, don't tell me I'm the only one.

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I heard there were two ways to get the stealth camo, right? One is to shoot all of the frogs and the other was to beat the game twice?

No. The other one is to beat the game with zero alarms. I beat the game 3 times already (on Extreme) and didn't get the camo.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Well that sucks. I highly doubt I can avoid setting off the alarm even once. :|

 

[J2 Cool]

BTW, anyone else here have a hard time believing that the Snake we play in MGS3 becomes the heartless man in MG 1, and 2? I dunno, but after playing MGS3 he seems to be a very nice and likeable guy who just wants to do what's right, even if it means making sacrifices. Yet we are told that he raises Liquid and treats him like crap and always tells him how "inferior" he is. As well as doing many illegal behind the scenes things.

Well, I find it interesting. Not unbelievable. They seem like they still have a story to tell to stitch the two periods together. And I was looking at Big Boss artwork when he's older and it's not too unlikely an aging process. Looks like Snake still were he to get older and fatter. Big Boss's frame matches up pretty well. Not quite as fit as Solid Snake, but very bulky. But yeah, I can imagine some intense scenarios and a distorted truth about what Big Boss really was in Outer Heaven and Zanzibar.

Maybe the thing with The Boss just twisted him up so much, that he created a fortress to respect and honor great soldiers and not manipulate them. A country for the soldiers led by the soldiers. Mind I never played MG1 or 2 so maybe the stuff he did was unexcusable. Of course they had no clue where they going with the series back then. All the more reason for a remake. And how/why did the Les Efantes Terrible(?) project ever come to light. Was it under Big Boss's approval?

Oh, and on Ocelot. Damn that's a man I respect in the series. You can never expect him to play the bitch henchman of any operation. He's always got his own agenda and is always in control. By the end of every Metal Gear Solid game I just love this guy and can't wait to see more. He's likely the Patriots number one threat at the end of MGS2, er, well, I think. Can't remember with all the twisting and turning at the end with the plot But yeah, he's become one of my favorite villains ever in a videogame. Maybe the best. Though actually Liquid and Boss both outedged them in their seperate games but it's about the sum total. Growth, experience, and wisdom. He gets progressively more bad ass with age and is always respectable. Well, as much as you can be while remaining a lying back stabbing son of a bitch.

 

[Miburou]

AFAIK, he was serving The Philosophers/Patriots in both MGS and MGS2 (while double crossing Liquid and Solidus), but he becomes a threat to them in MGS2 because Liquid's arm is able to take control of him sometimes.

BTW, regarding MG1 and MG2, they didn't put too much effort in the stories back then, but in any case there are speedrun videos for both games floating around (and the cut-scene text is unskippable, so you can read all of it if you frame step).

 

[Brofist]

Just kill the frogs, it's not that hard.

 

[Miburou]

Wait, do you actually kill them or just shoot them until they start making noises?

 

[Brofist]

Wait, do you actually kill them or just shoot them until they start making noises?

yeah shoot them i meant hehe..granted I would have liked to actually killed some of them :lol

 

[montanha]

I'm on my second playthrough, about halfway through. My question- does the game have timed night and day progression- because I could swear some of the levels have different lighting than the first time through, or maybe I am tripping.

Anyway, I think it is SUPER cool how you can revisit some levels that you have already been too, and it will be day or night. I just wonder what dictates that..
0)_o)

(confused eyes, with the bags from being up til 3:00AM every night the last couple weeks playing MGS3)
:lol

 

[AssMan]

SPOILER:













The Ocelot fight was fun. The music was great too. Reminded of the fight with Olga, but The Pain fight sucked. Are you rewarded for using a certain type of weapon against boss fights? I used an ak and the .45 on Ocelot.

 

[AlphaSnake]

I'm on my second playthrough, about halfway through. My question- does the game have timed night and day progression- because I could swear some of the levels have different lighting than the first time through, or maybe I am tripping.

Anyway, I think it is SUPER cool how you can revisit some levels that you have already been too, and it will be day or night. I just wonder what dictates that..
0)_o)

(confused eyes, with the bags from being up til 3:00AM every night the last couple weeks playing MGS3)
:lol

Nah, they're all predetermined.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

MGS3 defeats all pretenders and stays stickied.....

 

[montanha]

MGS3 defeats all pretenders and stays stickied.....

yesssh! and everyone come read the thread, bring it to 40,000 views!

I am so curious to see how sales of MGS3 turn out by Xmas. If it gets the sales it DESERVES, it should rival Halo 2 and GTA:SA numbers, but we all know it might be 25% of any one of those, if that..

I'm tellin ya' this could be the CV:SotN of this gen (which is good and bad)
-unrivaled depth and detail, but under-appreciated

 

[Tabris]

It definitely deserves more sales than both GTA and Halo.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Just finished the game!

/bows down to hideo kojima

Jesus christ that was some insane last 2 hours, KICKASS boss battles and gorgeous scenes, i also give props to kojima for coming up with the boss, Not only can she kick ass and has really freaking good moves in the cutscenes but she also has the most in depth personality i've witnessed in a "villain" in a long long time for an action game, almost shed a tear when learning the truth at the end /cries ;_; Its the music! the music!

MGS3 is definitly the surprise of the year and might very well be GOTY or at least my 2nd contender after MP2 (yes, im a metroid whore..), its the best MGS thats for sure, TONS of gameplay, best cutscenes yet in a videogame, best animation, best voice acting, best graphics on ps2, badass story. The only thing im disapointed in is that it ends, but unlike halo 2, this delivered on the story and at 21 hours i cant complain

Kojima really needs to remake MG, its the logical next step, back in the days they couldnt tell a story like technology allows nowadays, i want to see the story between Big boss and Solid Snake.

 

[Brofist]

It definitely deserves more sales than both GTA and Halo.

Yes it does.

 

[Laurent]

(While playing for the second time): How can someone manage to defeat every bosses with the MK "Hush Puppy" is beyond me...

 

[KilledByBill]

How can someone manage to defeat every bosses with the MK "Hush Puppy" is beyond me...

What difficulty are you playing on?

I've beaten the game twice on Normal(Extreme is next on the to-do-list) and found it was actually very easy to beat every boss with the Mk 22 or the Mossin sniper rifle.

You have to be patient, especially against Volgin, but there are plenty of openings.

 

[Laurent]

What difficulty are you playing on?

I've beaten the game twice on Normal(Extreme is next on the to-do-list) and found it was actually very easy to beat every boss with the Mk 22 or the Mossin sniper rifle.

You have to be patient, especially against Volgin, but there are plenty of openings.

I am still playing at normal. Against The Fear or The End is nearly impossible, since they both eat while the fight... What Mossin Sniper Rifle? Where?!