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Official MLB Thread - 2006 Season

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The Blue Jays really are terrible. I didn't actually think they could be worse than the Red Sox, but they might be.
 
Nice to see Lowe come out and be somewhat effective after the relief appearance. Wilson showing off the power certainly helps the Dodgers alot. Good to have a win on Fireworks Nights at Dodger Stadium which I can watch from my house. :D



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*Warning Not Actual Dodger Stadium Fireworks*
 
I really miss not having YES. WTF is this shit??

I move from NJ (where I have yes) TO New York City (where the Yankees actually play) and I don't have yes.

DIS SOME ****ED UP SHIT
 
This Jeter for MVP stuff really bugs me when I think about it. When did intangibles start becoming a major factor in sports MVP voting?

I really hate the direction we're headed in when the media is turning MVP awards into popularity contests. It's one thing if 2 guys have similar stats and one guy is more liked but giving it to the guy with inferior stats (or the guy less valuable to his team) based on stuff that can't be calculated is pretty stupid.

I mean, people are saying he should get the MVP and the first thing I hear them bring up is leadership. WTF? :lol
 
Cloudy said:
This Jeter for MVP stuff really bugs me when I think about it. When did intangibles start becoming a major factor in sports MVP voting?

I really hate the direction we're headed in when the media is turning MVP awards into popularity contests :lol It's one thing if 2 guys have similar stats and one guy is more liked but giving it to the guy with inferior stats based on "intangibles" is pretty stupid.
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While I do agree with you, he's probably a top five candidate anyway based on his stats. I'd rank him this way in the AL:

1) Dye
2) Ortiz
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3) Mauer
4) Jeter
5) Manny

Dye and Ortiz are obviously head and shoulders above the rest IMO. Jeter though has produced 83 RBIs out of the 2 hole, has 29 stolen bases, and his OPS is a rickoculous .904, due in large part to his OBP being .420! Take into account his play at short and it'd be stupid not to give him some consideration

Mauer I put above Jeter simply because that entire Minnesota offense is being carried by him and Morneau.
 
Cloudy said:
This Jeter for MVP stuff really bugs me when I think about it. When did intangibles start becoming a major factor in sports MVP voting?

I really hate the direction we're headed in when the media is turning MVP awards into popularity contests. It's one thing if 2 guys have similar stats and one guy is more liked but giving it to the guy with inferior stats (or the guy less valuable to his team) based on stuff that can't be calculated is pretty stupid.

I mean, people are saying he should get the MVP and the first thing I hear them bring up is leadership. WTF? :lol
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Usually I would agree with you, but not this season. Jeter has stats to back it up.

Look at VORP, arguably the most comprehensive sabremetric we have:
Hafner 76.7
Manny 62.6
Jeter 61.4
Ortiz 60.9
Dye 59.5

Hafner isn't winning it....just because the media is stupid. Manny won't win because even he plays second fiddle to Ortiz.

Ortiz' VORP is amazing considering he doesn't play defense, but even Hafner has him beat at that. The most deserving candidate will not win this year and Jeter is better than Dye.

Quiet, Joe Morgan.

edit: apparently VORP doesn't take into account defense? If so, that makes Jeter's case all the more impressive. Hafner is still way more deserving.
 
Is Jeter even the MVP of his own team, though? Giambi's BA isn't great but I think he's carried the team just as much (if not more) than Jeter. He leads the team in HR, RBI (blows Jeter's #s away) and his OBP is just a few points behind.

I'd argue that you can't have an MVP from such a stacked team. Injuries or not :lol
 
Cloudy said:
Is Jeter even the MVP of his own team, though? Giambi's BA isn't great but I think he's carried the team just as much (if not more) than Jeter. He leads the team in HR, RBI (blows Jeter's #s away) and his OBP is just a few points behind.
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WARP2 (wins above replacement player)

Giambi: 5.8
Jeter: 8.9
Arod: 5.2

So no. Again, these are highly advanced statistical analyses that people like Joe Morgan are afraid of, so your mileage may vary.
I'd argue that you can't have an MVP from such a stacked team. Injuries or not :lol
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Now this IS a valid point of contention. Without Ortiz, the red sox are nothing (and although they have many other injuries, they are proving that right now...).
 
Well, if you guys would look at the PUMA ratings, you'd see that Lance Berkman is clearly head and shoulders above any other player in EITHER league.

Berkman 43.5
Ortiz 25.9
Dye 23.1
Pujols 19.6

Other notables:
Jeter: 10.3
A-Rod: -1.2
 
Miguel said:
Well, if you guys would look at the PUMA ratings, you'd see that Lance Berkman is clearly head and shoulders above any other player in EITHER league.

Berkman 43.5
Ortiz 25.9
Dye 23.1
Pujols 19.6

Other notables:
Jeter: 10.3
A-Rod: -1.2
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:lol
 
If VORP took defense into consideration, Jeter's number would fall way off. Jeter's defense has always been mediocre to bad. Yeah, Ortiz doesn't play defense, but that's a good thing because it doesn't give him a chance to kill his team in the field.

Jeter's fielding percentage is quite pedestrian at .976, which is right in line with where he has always been. His range factor is also an unimpressive 4.10, and his zone rating is is .812.

But nevermind any of that. He plays great defense because he makes the big plays! Right Joe Morgan? LOLZ
 
As long as we're being stats nerds and talking about defense, Jeter's ZR is way down there in the AL.

Code: 
Pos	NAME	Last	Team	GP	INN	RSpt	RS/150
6	Juan	Uribe	CWS	105	892.3	12	18
6	Bobby	Crosby	Oak	95	828.0	7	11
6	Alex	Gonzalez	Bos	96	843.3	5	9
6	Jason	Bartlett	Min	65	582.0	4	10
6	Jhonny	Peralta	Cle	120	1038.7	2	3
6	Carlos	Guillen	Det	119	1024.0	2	3
6	Michael	Young	Tex	127	1106.0	1	2
6	John	McDonald	Tor	63	486.0	1	2
6	Julio	Lugo	TB	73	620.3	0	1
6	Miguel	Tejada	Bal	120	1041.7	0	0
6	Orlando	Cabrera	LAA	124	1075.3	-1	-2
6	Derek	Jeter	NYY	120	1041.3	-5	-7
6	Yuniesky	Bet'nco'rt	Sea	127	1114.7	-6	-8
6	Angel	Berroa	KC	112	953.3	-8	-11


The way I see it, if the White Sox make the play-offs, Dye should be MVP. Mauer should get it if the Twins do.
Honestly, if Jeter played for a different team, he'd be getting as much MVP talk as Mauer, which is to say some, but nothing close to this. Obviously, the Yanks having an 8 game lead in the division helps his cause, but I still say Mauer or Dye should get it. Or hell, even Morneau.
 
Javy Lopez truly does suck.

Take that Boston our scrubs are beating your scrubs.

Yes Lind with his 1st major league hit. Hopeully the beginning of a great career.
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
If VORP took defense into consideration, Jeter's number would fall way off. Jeter's defense has always been mediocre to bad. Yeah, Ortiz doesn't play defense, but that's a good thing because it doesn't give him a chance to kill his team in the field.

Jeter's fielding percentage is quite pedestrian at .976, which is right in line with where he has always been. His range factor is also an unimpressive 4.10, and his zone rating is is .812.

But nevermind any of that. He plays great defense because he makes the big plays! Right Joe Morgan? LOLZ
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Wellington said:
What the **** are you guys talking about? :lol
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Seriously, I thought I knew a decent amount about stats... what in God's name is VORP?? Virtual Offense Ridiculous Percentage?

Edit: Just googled it. I have to see what goes into this statistic...
 
Joe said:
says who? thats what the silver slugger is for.
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It's not supposed to be, but it is. The very best defensive players won't win the award if they're batting .250 with 15 homers and 60 RBIs.

Chavez didn't deserve the gold glove all of those last 5 years. Crede deserved it at least once in the last 2 years, but he was batting .250 with 60 RBIs. Now all of a sudden this year he's constantly being mention for the gold glove because he's gonna hit 30+ with 100+. And guess what? He's having his worst year, defensively.

Alex Gonzalez won't win a gold glove in his lifetime, despite his great defense. Why? He's a career .247 hitter. Nevermind his career .970 fielding percentage.

Of course there are a few exceptions, but for the most part, if you can't hit, you're not gonna win a gold glove.
 
Eminem said:
Alex Gonzalez won't win a gold glove in his lifetime, despite his great defense. Why? He's a career .247 hitter. Nevermind his career .970 fielding percentage.
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Adam Everett says hello.
 
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=120031

So is Everett's glove, which remains strong by any measure. This year his .993 fielding percentage ranks second among shortstops -- the Giants' Omar Vizquel's ranks first -- and Everett's four errors were right behind Vizquel's three for fewest among regular shortstops.

Being sure-handed is important, but what separates Everett is his range, the way he makes the difficult play look easy and the stunning frequency with which he turns batted balls into outs.
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Adam will never win it though, .250 batting average ftl.
 
Joe said:
ozzie smith has 13 gold gloves and he's a career .260 hitter, and averaged 2 hr's and 50 rbi's a season.
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The gold glove is an award based on defensive REPUTATION, not actual defensive ability. Now I'm not all that confident that defensive stats are accurate (defensive ability seems like something that should stay relatively constant from year to year, and the stats actually vary drastically, it seems). But using an award to refute stats just doesn't make sense.
 
i dunno, i dont think that play is THAT bad. i mean its a bad play and embaressing but it's nothing compared to the homerun off of canseco's head.
 
wtf Biggio...

good god the D has been horrid against the mets.
 
Fat Elvis :D
 
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