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Official MLB Thread - 2006 Season

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I'm still annoyed about the Lugo deal. I imagine when we couldnt get Soriano, they panicked.. but the Dodgers needed power and although he's hit some HRs this year, Lugo certainly isnt the answer to that problem.

Guzman will be a star in the future and Pedrano hit for power in the minors as well. Our OF is too stacked with young talent for him to have much of a future with the Dodgers.. but getting rid of Guzman is frustrating.
 
Nady was hitting .128 with runners in scoring position and 2 outs. His defense is also somewhat suspect. Milledge / Chazez between them are among the fastest players in the majors and have almost 50% of the teams league leading outfield assists between them. The platoon is definitely preferable than just having Nady.
 
Holy ****ing ****ing ****ing shit

ORTIZ IS GOD
 
I'd say that most pitchers have still not learned how to pitch to Ortiz, which is kind of striking.

I mean, he's a great hitter...but that was a pretty shitty approach to one of the best hitters in the game.

Oh well, that's why they're cleveland!
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
That was a damn good pitch Carmona threw. Right on the outside corner.

Ortiz cannot be stopped. It's that simple.

I don't see him a lot (only 19 times a year!!!1 lolz), but I would think jamming him inside would be more effective.

If you miss there, though, you're dead.
 
No wonder the Sawks are so good at home, if they get last licks and Ortiz comes up, they win! Bullpen also doesn't matter to them I guess!
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
That was a damn good pitch Carmona threw. Right on the outside corner.

Ortiz cannot be stopped. It's that simple.

Really? I thought it was right down the middle of the plate.
 
If a DH is ever going to win MVP, it has to be Ortiz. If he plays out his career and never wins MVP, it's a ****ing crime.

I think the most ridiculous thing about this game, aside from the Ortiz mastery, was the fact that Kyle Snyder threw 4+ innings of one-hit ball. :lol
 
Cloudy said:
Why are teams still pitching to him, though? I don't care if Manny's batting behind him :lol

Because Manny is one of the greatest right-handed sluggers ever.
Tonight for example, do you really want bases loaded with one out for Manny? Especially when Manny will be pissed off that they IBB'd Ortiz to get to him.
 
vatstep said:
If a DH is ever going to win MVP, it has to be Ortiz. If he plays out his career and never wins MVP, it's a ****ing crime.

I think the most ridiculous thing about this game, aside from the Ortiz mastery, was the fact that Kyle Snyder threw 4+ innings of one-hit ball. :lol

Snyder is a stud for 5 innings. He needs to be the long man in the pen.
 
Yeah, except when that someone else is a pissed off Manny who already has one HR tonight. It was the right call, Ortiz is just too good and Carmona is a little bitch.
 
Cloudy said:
But Papi is just mashing right now. I'd always let someone else beat me...

He's always mashing when the game is on the line. Usually I'd agree with not pitching to him in the 9th, but you can't load the bases for Manny with just 1 out. With 2 outs, maybe.
 
Eminem said:
Because Manny is one of the greatest right-handed sluggers ever.
Tonight for example, do you really want bases loaded with one out for Manny? Especially when Manny will be pissed off that they IBB'd Ortiz to get to him.
this is exactly why trading Manny would be the worst move the Sox could make.

I know the bitch is unhappy, but his presence is a major reason Ortiz has more walk-off hits than anyone.
 
Nerevar said:
this is exactly why trading Manny would be the worst move the Sox could make.

I know the bitch is unhappy, but his presence is a major reason Ortiz has more walk-off hits than anyone.

Manny has been a happy camper this season. Not even any trade deadline drama!

And yes, I've been saying for a long time that Manny hitting behind Ortiz forces pitchers to go after him. If Ortiz had Lowell or even Pena hitting after him, he wouldn't get shit to hit.
 
I think Kruk is competing with Phillips for title of "Biggest Moron on Baseball Tonight." Did anyone just hear how he said in the situation that came up tonight you should walk Ortiz and then then walk Manny as well? IBB for two guys in a row? And give up a run? I pray to God he was joking. I mean, what the ****.
 
PuertoRicanJuice said:
I think Kruk is competing with Phillips for title of "Biggest Moron on Baseball Tonight." Did anyone just hear how he said in the situation that came up tonight you should walk Ortiz and then then walk Manny as well? IBB for two guys in a row? And give up a run? I pray to God he was joking. I mean, what the ****.
:lol I heard that and was going to say the same thing. Seriously, at that point it'd be bases loaded with one out. Lowell would be up next, and even though he was hitless on the night, all it'd take was a sac fly to tie the game up, or one of his classic doubles to win it.
 
From DJ Gallo's Page 2 column today:

4. The name that is getting all the focus from yesterday's Yankees-Phillies trade is Bobby Abreu, but I think New York's acquisition of Cory Lidle deserves more attention. By getting Lidle -- a 34-year-old journeyman starter who is 8-7 with a 4.74 ERA this season -- the Yankees have themselves a serviceable fifth starter, which is a huge luxury in today's game. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, by adding Lidle to Randy Johnson, Jaret Wright, Shawn Chacon and Sidney Ponson, that now gives the Yankees five -- count 'em, five! -- serviceable No. 5 starters. That's really a luxury in today's game. Sure, sure -- some of their rivals can boast a dominant top of the rotation, but I'll put the Yankees' phalanx of No. 5 starters against anyone else's fifth starter -- because even if you beat one of them, they've got four more they can throw at you. It's a barrage of mediocrity few opponents can handle.


:lol :lol
 
HOLY SHIT! This is some sensationlistic bullshit right here. Read this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2535859

I sorta agree with him but he seems to forget that baseball is a business and trading Clemens is a bad business decision (he would lose ticket sales). The postive is is that we could have raped the Red Sox farm system by trading him and getting some hot prospects but damn would the PR nightmare be horrendous. I do feel bad for Clemens as he will probably end his career on a losing note.
 
Mashing said:
The postive is is that we could have raped the Red Sox farm system by trading him and getting some hot prospects but damn would the PR nightmare be horrendous.
Even if a deal was proposed, I don't think it would've been finalized. The prevailing reason that the Red Sox did nothing today was because Theo couldn't rationalize giving up any of the young arms just to improve the team for the next few months. Not even for Clemens.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't trade prospects for a 44 year old pitcher who may or may not play next season either, not the best move in the long term. Still, it would have every AL team shitting their pants though. Steinbrenner would probably have a coronary.
 
Tamanon said:
From DJ Gallo's Page 2 column today:

4. The name that is getting all the focus from yesterday's Yankees-Phillies trade is Bobby Abreu, but I think New York's acquisition of Cory Lidle deserves more attention. By getting Lidle -- a 34-year-old journeyman starter who is 8-7 with a 4.74 ERA this season -- the Yankees have themselves a serviceable fifth starter, which is a huge luxury in today's game. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, by adding Lidle to Randy Johnson, Jaret Wright, Shawn Chacon and Sidney Ponson, that now gives the Yankees five -- count 'em, five! -- serviceable No. 5 starters. That's really a luxury in today's game. Sure, sure -- some of their rivals can boast a dominant top of the rotation, but I'll put the Yankees' phalanx of No. 5 starters against anyone else's fifth starter -- because even if you beat one of them, they've got four more they can throw at you. It's a barrage of mediocrity few opponents can handle.


:lol :lol

:lol
 
HOUSTON -- Roy Oswalt has been eyeing free agency for a while, so if he does decide to go that route after the 2007 season, it won't be entirely due to his reaction to how he perceived the events that took place leading up to Monday's non-waiver trade deadline.
But hearing his name in trade talks involving the Orioles, among other teams, didn't help. Oswalt is upset that he was mentioned in a potential package, along with Adam Everett and perhaps Morgan Ensberg, for superstar shortstop Miguel Tejada. He feels the Astros have not been honest with him regarding their desire to keep him as an Astro, and in that respect, he'll have no qualms about testing the free-agent market next year.

Oswalt is not opposed to signing a long-term deal with Houston, but that deal, he said, needs to be reached before the current season is over. And he's looking for a five-year contract.

"We'll see how it turns out," Oswalt said. "I could play the whole year out and then not get an offer at the end of the year. Why not play another year and listen to other teams?

"They say I'm a franchise player, just like Lance [Berkman]. If I'm just like Lance, treat me like Lance."


Oswalt, according to a Major League executive, was never offered by the Astros. Any mention of Oswalt's name came from the Orioles, who ended up not dealing Tejada to any team by the 3 p.m. CT deadline.

After the Orioles asked for Oswalt, the two sides continued discussions, but the Major League source estimated the odds of any deal being made involving the ace right-hander were less than 20 percent.

While the Astros did not make a deal, they were able to gauge the level of interest from other clubs for several players. The interest for Oswalt, 28, was undoubtedly high -- which comes as no surprise, considering he's coming off back-to-back 20-win seasons.

Oswalt said the Astros should have told him first that they were going to see what he attracts on the market. He's not completely sure that he believes the Astros never intended to trade him.

"If you want to throw my name out there to see what the value is, what I'm worth to other teams, run it by me first," he said. "If you're not going to trade me and you want to see what I'm worth, don't throw my name out there.

"Tell me up front. Since no deal went through, it's easy to say, 'We weren't going to trade you.'

"One thing about me. I'm never going to lie to you. I don't want to be lied to. Don't talk outside one side of your mouth and say something else."




Oswalt heard that he was offered to Baltimore, who would have traded him to the Rangers. Oswalt also heard that once word got out that he was on the market, the Mets and Red Sox also asked about him.

"We have good sources outside of Houston who know a lot that went on," Oswalt said. "People don't think that I know."

Pressed for further explanation, Oswalt declined to elaborate.

General manager Tim Purpura declined to give specific details about players who were potentially trade bait, but he did acknowledge that any player who was not protected by a no-trade clause was subject to discussion. Oswalt, working on a two-year deal, has no such clause in his contract.

The fact that Oswalt is under club control for only one more year before he's eligible for free agency also factors into the saga.

"You have to assess the value of your players," Purpura said. "You have listen to what people have to say about your players. You have to listen to your own people, how they assess the player. You have to think about control -- how long do you control the player? We control him for another year, after that, he becomes a free agent. That factors into it. That factors into every equation.

"Some of the trades we talked about with other clubs were not consummated because the other clubs felt, 'What I'm getting is not commesurate to how long we control them.'"

It is unclear whether the Astros and Oswalt can reach a long-term deal by the end of the season, but Purpura has hopes that Oswalt will remain in Houston for the extended future.

"That would certainly be a goal, to talk to Roy long-term," Purpura said. "But that being said, it's like making a trade, you have to have two sides that want to do that. I would hope Roy has had a positive experience here. He's been a key part of our tradition. I would hope he would be amenable to staying on board and helping us the next several years."

Said Oswalt: "There are two sides of baseball. The business side and sometimes you get involved to where it's family-oriented. You get reminded that mostly, it's a business."

Stros better lock him up fast.
 
siamesedreamer said:
Its not up for debate........ESPN has three mistakes that I know of:

Renteria - ESPN says $10 million when in reality its $6 million (Boston sent $12 million with Renteria in the deal)

Smoltz - he restructured so that his option was picked up next year and his salary is $8 million (not $11 million)

Hampton - this one is complicated and involves two other teams paying part of his salary.....all that matters though is that when he was acquired the Braves were on the hook for only $43 million of his contract. They did a deal with him (that was pretty publicized) and divided that by the 6 years remaining on the contract and paid him $8 million per year.

So, that's an extra ~$13 million that ESPN figures in without the Braves actually being on the hook for it. That means the Braves are actually around ~$79 million.

ESPN has the total values of the contracts figured as how they looked on the day they were signed. They don't take into account any other wrangling that have been done since. Like I said, one of the other independant sites comes out with a true tally shortly after the trade deadline.



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wow you sound like such a whiner here.. still upset the Braves got OWNED byt the Mets
:lol
 
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