Shawnwhann
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Official NCAA 2007 360 League Thread: Maurice Drew Eulogy Within
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I hear you...
FrenchMovieTheme
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hehehe oh you!
Shawnwhann
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Holla at me Stooge, lets get our game over with. I promise I will turn my controller off when I hit 59 pts. (WINK FMT)
Shawnwhann
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:lol :lol Gotta laugh at tonight!!
FrenchMovieTheme
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we are going to deal with it again when i stomp you 255-0 CB
iceDragon7
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FrenchMovieTheme said:
Not in the league but,
OOOOOOOOOO
Azwethinkweiz
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Cloudy said:
You were line spreading most of the game we played, but it wasn't helping you a lick to stop the run so I didn't really care. That's also why I didn't mention it in my post-game post. Just watch out though because some people might get pissed.
Matrix said:
I really didn't want to ever mention that game, but after all the Shawn/Vumpler drama I felt left out so I brought it up.
There is no way to explain that game without saying that I'm cursed against you. I have never seen that many mistakes happen from Notre Dame in this game (offline or online). Nothing would go right for me. I noticed at the end of the game too that the computer most of my top defensive players for the 4th quarter. Not sure how or why that happened. But I never told it to surrender but my Xbox knew your gamertag and understood the curse and didn't want to fight it anymore.
Someday man. And it will be when it actually matters.
dammitmattt
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Not that I ever control my receivers, but there is something that I'm curious about. Why is it okay to control a DB and make interceptions but NOT okay to control a receiver? I understand that it's cheesy on fly routes with fast receivers, but otherwise there are situations when your idiotic receivers are Mario running into the DBs and the only way to make the play or prevent an interception is to take control of the receiver...
mmlemay said:
That's exactly right. Controling the receiver is not cheese I don't care what you say. The receivers (unless their impact players or really fast receivers) don't run their rounts right after the balls in the air for some reason. I've seen several instances where the WR will like mmle said get stuck on the receiver and not once has there been a PI call on it, and even worse when its an across the middle route they'll hit the receiver in the face and he won't even attempt to catch it. If you make a bad decision and bomb it deep and its 3 on 1 coverage there should be no reason why you can't say "oh shit" and take your guy and go swat it down. If you don't allow WR control then why allow DB control? If you don't allow DB control I know if 5 different routes that can't be covered... So you pretty much have to allow WR control or the D gets a huuuge advantage in an even match.
dammitmattt
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Lonestar said:
I wasn't trying to stir up "The Powers Dat Be" and it's not that big of a deal, but I was just curious since this was the first I've heard of it all year. Of course, I am a newbie so it might just be a rule that's carried over from previous Madden seasons.
EDIT: FMT - when is the next Top 32 poll going up? I'm sick of being stuck at 29
EDIT: WTF at my tag?!? :lol :lol :lol Now I'm forever linked to the 49ers....
it is a rule, and it's blocked because "in the past" you could throw a long pass, take over the WR, and "shake off" the DB if he was playing Man, as the AI follows the WR, not the ball location. The Player WR would shake off the DB, creating more room to catch the pass. I remember saying "if the other player takes over the DB, it (the rule) should no longer apply, but that was never agreed with.
That's what you get for mixing it up with the 49'ers. It'll always come back to haunt you.
That's what you get for mixing it up with the 49'ers. It'll always come back to haunt you.
Lol its not so much that anymore. I rmemeber two years ago all you had to do was take control to a half circle swinging way out and the WR would catch it every time. Now its not like that at all. That would never work now, its just the WR won't even do their job as normal and make some catches they should. If you barely get off your route as a WR now it seems as its a interception every time. I think the rule should be x'ed and reevaluated every season per game.
dammitmattt
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Lonestar said:I actually agree. Haven't tested the Line Spreading either. It was banned because the OLine AI couldn't handle it, and I don't know if that's the case anymore. Corner Routes still are the devil...
I would welcome d-line spreading because it makes it easier to pound the ball up the middle. I haven't noticed any significant issues with moving the d-line, and stunting seems to be a more effective tactic anyway (well, if you guess right, it is).
well, not all the time. I line stunted correctly on 1 run by DCX, and he had his biggest gain of the day (though it was only 8 yards).
Those 2 stupid passes DCX knows what I'm talking about!
Oh, and I thought the Oklahoma guy had 5 INT's, but his QB shows 2 TD's and 2 INT's! Where did the other 3 go?
Those 2 stupid passes
DCX knows what I'm talking about!Oh, and I thought the Oklahoma guy had 5 INT's, but his QB shows 2 TD's and 2 INT's! Where did the other 3 go?
Line spreading isn't insane with shit AI like it was in the madden 200-2004 era. Now its just an effective strategy. It should be thrown out as well. These guys at EA do actually make improvments believe it or not :lol And you can stop corner routes very easily if done right.
dammitmattt
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vumpler said:
How? By playing zone or double-teaming the receiver? Or if you just get lucky and your DB is in good position and makes a good play? What's the magic formula?
These routes are VERY tough to stop if you have a good receiver...
vumpler said:
Pretty much the exact same arguement I've had in the past. Because as soon as the ball is in the air it's a human controlled defender agaisnt a computer controlled WR. And the human usually wins. Fifty is the only guy I know that controls the DBs almost exclusively and he's pretty good at it. He pretty much makes that WR useless if you are not allowed to control him yourself.
It's a tough call on that rule because of how easy it was in the past to just hit the catch button and your WR would "Superman" up and grab it regardless of the defensive coverage.
There is always something each year that totally effects how we play our leagues. I can remember when it was the DBs having superpowers and were floating around everywhere out there snatching passes all over the place and our TE's would have no vertical. And now the TE's have a big advantage with the corner routes.
I still dont agree with the banning of controlling WRs unless it's to chuck it deep and just outrun the DB. I think that taking control of a WR during short pass routes to prevent IT's and such is not a problem.
But things like this only seem to matter when it's abused and directly affects the outcome. ie: someone Dline spreads but still loses by 30. I guess the Dline spread didn't help them much.
Ladies Ladies! Quit Whining. These are the rules, and they are not limiting you. If you cant pass without controlling the WR, even if he is being covered by a human, well, you suck
As far as D-Line spreading, trust me, even if it isnt cheap, its garbage against the run. any sensible person would audible to a run up the middle for good yardage everytime.
Trust us noobies, these rules are all in place for a reason, for one reason or another.
As far as D-Line spreading, trust me, even if it isnt cheap, its garbage against the run. any sensible person would audible to a run up the middle for good yardage everytime.
Trust us noobies, these rules are all in place for a reason, for one reason or another.
Well, the DLine Spreading, in my mind, would only be used when the other team HAS to pass, and abandon the run. I'd love to see my opponent spread the DLine
Cold, you need to stop hanging out with the OSU guy, you're starting to sound like him!
COooooooooooooooLD BLlllllllllllllooooooooooooooooded!!!!!
Cold, you need to stop hanging out with the OSU guy, you're starting to sound like him!
COooooooooooooooLD BLlllllllllllllooooooooooooooooded!!!!!
FrenchMovieTheme
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the "no controlling WR" rule is in effect because you can easily jump up with a receiver and there is no defense for it. the game is already slanted towards the offense, just abide by the rules!
and d-line spreading isn't as cheesy as it was last year, but i would need to test it further to take the ban off it.
p.s. i didn't bring it up before but shawnhann why were you playing Dime defense late in our game? :lol free running yards! (it wasn't cheesy, that's not why i'm bringing it up, i just didn't understand the strategy there)
and d-line spreading isn't as cheesy as it was last year, but i would need to test it further to take the ban off it.
p.s. i didn't bring it up before but shawnhann why were you playing Dime defense late in our game? :lol free running yards! (it wasn't cheesy, that's not why i'm bringing it up, i just didn't understand the strategy there)
Shawnwhann
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Two reasons:
One, to bait you into running the ball. No one has been able to run on me so far, until you.
Two, protect against the play action pass you had some success with in the first game.
Shawnwhann
Banned
Regarding the controlling the receiver move, it is cheap only in the way that vumpler usd it. He only controllered his receivers when he threw bombs. He did not control them on the quick slants or crossing patterns or anything else. ONLY on the bombs!! all the while my dumb AI recivers will follow him and not the ball as he steers his receiver like go kart.
Traditionally DB AI is stupid as hell, so that is why manual control is acceptable. If you throw to an open receiver chances are he will run the route right and catch it. And controlling DBs help limit the cheese of quick slants being abused over and over.
Traditionally DB AI is stupid as hell, so that is why manual control is acceptable. If you throw to an open receiver chances are he will run the route right and catch it. And controlling DBs help limit the cheese of quick slants being abused over and over.
Shawnwhann
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Very good question, I would love to hear Vumpler's answer...:lol :lol
dammitmattt
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Shawnwhann said:
He's got it in the overall game stats - must be an oversight. He also left out most of his team's stats for some reason...
Shawnwhann said:
ROFL here we go again. Shawn making up fantasy bullshit. Not one time when I threw deep was it the AI doing anything. Your ass was running around like a chicken with his head cut off :lol :lol Silly nub, trash talk is for ballers not this trash. And do you even know what a quick slant is? If you do it right you shouldn't have time to switch over to him unless you're hitting "B, Y" immediately. I do, use the receiver on all routes except quick slants and I never even ran a quickslant on you wtf? 3 times durring the game I hiked the ball and threw it imediately to A because of the stupid lag waiting for it to hike the ball. Don't flatter yourself.
Shawnwhann
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:lol :lol
If you were consistent with your manual control, your case would be more valid in terms of your latest posts on the issue
If you were consistent with your manual control, your case would be more valid in terms of your latest posts on the issue
Think I've got some more games to get in. I'll have to communicate with CP another way, he's still banned isn't he?
Oh, and he still needs to put on the 3 extra INT's to his QB, unless he put in another QB, then he needs to put that QB into the system.
What's the deal with people leaving stats out???
Oh, and he still needs to put on the 3 extra INT's to his QB, unless he put in another QB, then he needs to put that QB into the system.
What's the deal with people leaving stats out???
dammitmattt
Banned
Question - is it cool to manually CATCH with the receivers? I know we're not supposed to control them, but what about switching to the receiver at the last minute and hitting the catch button?
I've had to do that sometimes (single-player, not league) when receivers just don't even look for the ball in the air...
I've had to do that sometimes (single-player, not league) when receivers just don't even look for the ball in the air...