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[Kleegamefan]

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-SM8uvs...e&g=147350&id=essential_info&i=158SR60XBR#Tab

"Expected" Date is September 19th:

Dynamic Iris for J00:

The KDS-R60XBR1 uses the SXRD (Silicon Crystal Reflective Display) projection technology that has made Sony's ultra-exclusive $30,000 Qualia™ 004 front projector and $13,000 Qualia 006 70" rear-projection TV two of the most highly acclaimed video products ever. Now you can experience this stunning picture quality in your home theater for a fraction of that cost.

SXRD is a refined version of LCoS (Liquid Crystal on Silicon) display technology. The KDS-R60XBR1 uses Sony's newest high-definition SXRD image panels, each with 1920 x 1080 pixels — the highest resolution available. SXRD also boasts the highest "pixel density" of any TV available, as well as the tightest between-pixel spacing. The distance from the middle of one pixel to the middle of the next is only about 1/8 the width of a human hair! SXRD images possess jaw-dropping clarity, detail and depth, but the most striking quality is a silky smoothness that creates a more filmlike look.

The KDS-R60XBR1's exceptional color purity is one of the main advantages of using three SXRD image panels (one each for red, green, and blue signals). This 3-chip design ensures rich, radiant, rock-steady color. Sony's innovative Cinema Black Pro "dynamic iris" technology improves contrast and black level by reducing the TV's light output in dark scenes. A circuit continuously samples the brightness content of the video signal and adjusts the iris opening on the fly to deliver the best possible brightness, contrast, and black level.

As you'd expect from a top-performing HDTV, the KDS-R60XBR1 has a versatile array of inputs that will keep your system plugged in now and in the future. Along with two HD-compatible component video inputs, you'll find two pure-digital HDMI inputs, and three i.LINK ports, which permit high-def recording and playback with compatible HD recorders. A standard PC input lets you use this TV as a jumbo-sized computer display, too.

Details:

» High-Definition TV — receives and decodes digital standard-definition and HDTV signals from over-the-air broadcasts (antenna required) and cable TV service (CableCARD™ required)
» widescreen 16:9 aspect ratio
» 3 SXRD panels, 1920 x 1080 pixels each (all signals displayed at 1080p)
» 130°(H) x 60°(V) viewing angle
» Cinema Black Pro with Advanced Iris for improved black level and contrast
» Wega Engine™ HD video processing
» adjustable DRC MultiFunction V2 (upconverts video signals to near-HD quality)
» Twin-View® Picture-in-Picture (split-screen)
» built-in stereo speakers (15 watts x 2)
» multibrand remote control
» picture settings memory for each video input
» 10 A/V inputs, including:
• 3 composite video (2 rear, 1 front)
• 3 S-video (2 rear, 1 front)
• 2 HD-compatible component video (accepts 1080i/720p/480p/480i signals)
• 2 HDMI digital audio/video inputs
• 3 i.LINK® (IEEE 1394) ports (2 rear, 1 front)
» PC input: analog RGB (D-Sub 15-pin)
» 2 RF inputs (1 Antenna, 1 Cable)
» Memory Stick® slot for viewing digital photos
» optical digital audio output for Dolby® Digital
» 66"W x 39-3/4"H x 20-1/4"D
» weight: 112.5 lbs.
» warranty: 1 year parts & labor
» Contact your local cable provider for details regarding the availability and costs of CableCARD-related services

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[golem]

maybe there will be a firmware upgrade to take in 1080p (like the qualia?)?

 

[Kleegamefan]

Correction:there is no 1080p via COMPONENT VIDEO....there is no information on a yes/no of 1080p video through the HDMIs, so there is still hope..


And check this out:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=40663


As you can see, both the KDSR50XBR1 and the KDSR60XBR1 qualify for the Sony promotion...just in time for the NFL season and X360 launch

 

[scissorfight]

I'm considering these sets because I'm a big LCoS fan...but damn they are ugly. What's with the floating silver speakers around the entire set? People think that looks good?

 

[Kleegamefan]

Here is a better picture of the TV:

 

[jenov4]

Is there a price for this baby yet?

 

[Kleegamefan]

MSRP for 60 inch set=$4999

MSRP for 50 inch set=$3999

MSRP for my 70 inch Qualia 006=$12,999

 

[Mrbob]

Is there a price for this baby yet?

$3999 50"
$4999 60"

SXRD is hot!

I'm hearing good things about the Dynamic Iris in the 720P A10 sets. That's the route I'm going to go for now. But in the future I think SXRD is calling me.

 

[Kleegamefan]

The street date on the KDSR60XBR1 is 9/12/05.....around then, we will find out the answer to the magic question (1080p via HDMI??)

The LG LCOS will also support 1080p via HDMI, it seems

 

[MmmBeef]

Are there any sets that use HDMI 1.3 yet? Do these?

 

[TAJ]

When can we expect much-cheaper front projection versions? I could never live with a high-gain screen.

 

[Raistlin]

much-cheaper

Not anytime soon :lol

 

[Raistlin]

KLee,

Is the 006 HDMI upgradeable to accept 1080p? Sweet if it is.

Out of curiosity, does the 006 use the Iris mentioned in this thread (or an earlier version)? I know the Sony VPL-HS51 uses a similar Iris to absolutely STUNNING results. That little LCD front projector can easily run with the mid-level 'dark chip' DLP's, if not outperform many of them. There are some interesting new, though infrequent, artifacts from the implementation ... but its more than worth it.

What I'm wondering is how black are these sets gonna be? CRT level? Considering what the Iris was able to do with LCD, a technology that is pretty hurting in the black arena, what's gonna happen when you couple it with something that already does some pretty impressive blacks? LCoS isn't exactly bad at black as far as fixed-pixel displays are concerned. I think I'm going to pee :lol Seriously though, If these can accept 1080p, I think I've found my next TV.

I'm not sure if I like the looks of them when compared to the 006, but I LOVE the price

 

[Kleegamefan]

Are there any sets that use HDMI 1.3 yet? Do these?

Nahh....If we are lucky, the LG and Sony LCOS TVs will have HDMI 1.2...

The good news is since these are TVs and not recievers, they are not expected to decode DD+ or dts-HD...

HDMI 1.2 should be able to pass 1080p/60, DVD-A and SACD audio.....but no DD+ or dts-HD...

KLee,

Is the 006 HDMI upgradeable to accept 1080p? Sweet if it is.

Out of curiosity, does the 006 use the Iris mentioned in this thread (or an earlier version)? I know the Sony VPL-HS51 uses a similar Iris to absolutely STUNNING results. That little LCD front projector can easily run with the mid-level 'dark chip' DLP's, if not outperform many of them. There are some interesting new, though infrequent, artifacts from the implementation ... but its more than worth it.

What I'm wondering is how black are these sets gonna be? CRT level? Considering what the Iris was able to do with LCD, a technology that is pretty hurting in the black arena, what's gonna happen when you couple it with something that already does some pretty impressive blacks? LCoS isn't exactly bad at black as far as fixed-pixel displays are concerned. I think I'm going to pee Seriously though, If these can accept 1080p, I think I've found my next TV.

I'm not sure if I like the looks of them when compared to the 006, but I LOVE the price

The 006 is not upgradeable and does not accept a direct 1080p signal....it will deinterlace 1080i film sources to 1080p but no 1080p upgradablility...

My Q doesn't have a dynamic Iris and uses a larger .78" SXRD chip....

The new KDSRxxXBR1s use a smaller .61" chip which is a refinement of the chip used in my TV and they also have better contrast performance (5000:1 vs. 2000:1) than my Q...

It remains to be seen if any other corners have been cut in the KDSRxxXBR1s, but they seem pretty amazing on paper....

No microdisplay technology (LCD, DLP or LCOS) can match a CRT but even so, they can have very good black performance...

My Q has really good black/contrast performance and the new SXRDs should be even better....around DLP HD2+ level, I would say.....in other words....DAMN GOOD

IIRC, the wobulated xHD4s have Dark Chip 3 tech and are quoted by Samsung as having 10,000: Contrast Ratio...the new SXRDs cant match that, but should be as good as the best DLP of a couple of years ago.....nothing to sneeze at....

 

[Error Macro]

Wow. I bet standard definition material (including DVDs) will look like shit on these.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Most SD stuff look great on my Q.....I don't see how it would be different with these??


Yeah, if you have a medium to low quality SD TV feed, it will look kinda crappy but that is true of any non-CRT tech...

DVDs and games look awesome on my Q........to be fair, I *do* have an outboard video processor, which helps, but its all good

 

[Kleegamefan]

When can we expect much-cheaper front projection versions? I could never live with a high-gain screen.

It's possible we will see a non-Qualia SXRD projector at CEDIA next month (VPL-VW100???)so we will just have to wait on that one...

It is just a matter of time before Sony shows some cheaper SXRD products.....this is just the beginning...


BTW, JVC just announced a new, cheaper .7" 1920x1080 DILA chip :


http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/press/2005/d-ila.pdf


On the last page they mention they will be using this chip in front projector so SXRD is not the only LCOS solution out there..

 

[Raistlin]

KLee,

Is that 5000:1 contrast ratio for the new SXRD chip itself, or for the new TVs?

With the coupling of that chip and the dynamic iris, the contrast ratio in these sets should actually be higher?

 

[Kleegamefan]

You might be right...

They will not be lacking in black performance, thats for sure..

BTW, the output pixel count with these TVs in any given frame is 6,220,800 pixels (RGB)

 

[Raistlin]

KLee,



okay, I finally spit it out ....




BTW - have you seen this? Thought you might want it for your projector...

http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/dcda1.asp

 

[Raistlin]

Shit ... looks like no 1080p input?

 

[Mrbob]

I still don't know why Sony is cannabilizing their 55 and 60 inch A20 line. That is what it looks like to me.

The A10 line and the SXRD have the dynamic iris but the A20 line does not. The A20 line is between the two.

It seems like the sole purpose of the A20 line is to clear out older chipset.

 

[Lo-Volt]

You guys are going to be watching on Qualias and I'll have to settle for this? For great justice! =/

 

[J2 Cool]

When I'm rich, I'll come for you.

 

[acidviper]

You guys are going to be watching on Qualias and I'll have to settle for this? For great justice! =/

Don't worry we have to let the early adopters waste all their money so the price goes down for the rest of us.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Shit ... looks like no 1080p input?

Are you talking about this SXRD TV??

There is no resolution listed for the HDMI in, only the component ins (accepts 1080i/720p/480p/480i signals)

 

[mrklaw]

I'll be they don't take 1080p/60, as there is no broadcast standard.

Its a shame though. They could just include their own version of 1080p/60, based on what the specs are likely to be. At least make it compatible with PS3/their bluray output plans (maybe 1080p/24/30).

 

[Raistlin]

Are you talking about this SXRD TV??

There is no resolution listed for the HDMI in, only the component ins (accepts 1080i/720p/480p/480i signals)

I know its not confirmed, but the AVS thread is not making it sound likely



Did you see the link I posted above? That's come in quite handy for some.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Well, there is no information either way on 1080p via HDMI, so we will have to wait and see...

We know for sure the 61 and 71-inch LGs will do 1080p/60 via HDMI because they are using SpatiaLight's LCOS chips and SpatiaLight has said so.....these coud be the majic TVs if the SXRDs don't do 1080p...

BTW the model numbers are:

LG 71SL1D

LG 61SL1D


Oh and thanx for the link BTW

 

[Warm Machine]

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=810&page_number=1&preview=

That is for the $13,000 model.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Yes, I already have a 006....I like it

 

[maximum360]

It seems that 1080p through HDMI is a no go. Maybe Sony will offer an upgrade.

Kiddies, start saving your pennies...(actually if you save $50 a day til christmas you'll probably have enough saved up).

Info on the JVC is still scarce though. So far we've heard that the PQ is on par with the SXRD and are pretty much blowing away everything else. Still no word on price of the JVC models or even if they'll accept 1080p over HDMI (I doubt it though).