FrenchMovieTheme said:radiohead hasn't made good music since 1996. the pumpkins have!
also, why do you compare machina to "heavy" music? while its true almost the entire album was drop C, that doesn't mean it has anything in common with hardcore "loud" music. songs like raindrops + sunshowers, sacred and profane, try, try, try, with every light, blue skies bring tears, etc. would not be considered loud music or trying to compete with "loud" bands.
FrenchMovieTheme said:radiohead hasn't made good music since 1996. the pumpkins have!
also, why do you compare machina to "heavy" music? while its true almost the entire album was drop C, that doesn't mean it has anything in common with hardcore "loud" music. songs like raindrops + sunshowers, sacred and profane, try, try, try, with every light, blue skies bring tears, etc. would not be considered loud music or trying to compete with "loud" bands.
kingofrod said:My point is, Billy was recently on some MTV show saying "Gerard is my son" or something to that effect, talking about the Chemical Romance singer. I am not in the mood for Billy to try and "out-feel" these new bands, and that is the only reason I have any anxiety about the new album.
White Man said:Oh shit. In the new issue of Spin (I DID NOT BUY IT, IT WAS GIVEN TO ME), there was a big article on MCR and there was harping about Corgan in it. So basically, my guess of the SP lineup:
Billy
Jimmy
Courtney
Davey Havok
A keyboardist that used to be in The Cure for like a week
Feel it in your hearts! You know I speak the truth!
One, that Billy doesn't like being unpopular. The fact that the fad-chasing Adore didn't do so well hurt him, as you can tell from interviews he gave where he basically cried out against bandwagon fans. And yes, Adore is a reaction to the "electronica is the new rock" movement of the time. The decision to go back to what he thought fans wanted shows his need for attention.
Reason Two, Billy is competitive. How could he not be, after seeing his band's career decline while Limp Bizkit became popular? The decision to release "Everlasting Gaze" as the first single attests to the fact that Billy wanted to "out-rock" everyone else. How can you not see "Drop C" as an attempt to out-heavy everyone, at least in the case of "Gaze"?
My point is, Billy was recently on some MTV show saying "Gerard is my son" or something to that effect, talking about the Chemical Romance singer. I am not in the mood for Billy to try and "out-feel" these new bands, and that is the only reason I have any anxiety about the new album.
Davey Havok... oh my God, I can see it now. I say they use the Frogs to fill in the gaps. By the way, what happened to them?
Edit: I mean, besides having, like, 3 fans.
I'm amazed that people forget how big SP was from 93-97, but I guess that you're only as big as your last album unless you're the Stones.FrenchMovieTheme said:only the fans DIDN'T want adore and he knew it. everyone wanted MCIS II. and how could he not make it? at one point the pumpkins were arguably the biggest band in the world, and it was because of MCIS. making an album like adore took some balls considering MCIS sold a gajillion records (no small accomplishment for a double album)
FrenchMovieTheme said:only the fans DIDN'T want adore and he knew it. everyone wanted MCIS II. and how could he not make it? at one point the pumpkins were arguably the biggest band in the world, and it was because of MCIS. making an album like adore took some balls considering MCIS sold a gajillion records (no small accomplishment for a double album)
FrenchMovieTheme said:the frogs!
top songs:
i'm evil, jack (lol wtf...)
rock on Frogs! i don't know what happened to them though
hee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekingofrod said:And guys, remember, I AM a Smashing Pumpkins fan, but I've grown past the point of blind loyalty to them. I WILL be standing outside CD Central in Lexington, KY at midnight when the new album comes out, and I WILL try and get the custom lithograph available to only the first 25 customers! But I also like to listen to great music, so we shall see...
Nick said:hee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
This is so true, and it kills the "SP loves to ride the wave" idea. What? The band KNEW a bunch of fans wanted another Mellon Collie. They didn't care, they wanted to branch out and do other things because they got tired of what they were doing.FrenchMovieTheme said:only the fans DIDN'T want adore and he knew it. everyone wanted MCIS II. and how could he not make it? at one point the pumpkins were arguably the biggest band in the world, and it was because of MCIS. making an album like adore took some balls considering MCIS sold a gajillion records (no small accomplishment for a double album)
terrene said:6. Adore
It has aged terribly and is the most musically akward album of the discography. You can almost hear Billy longing for Jimmy as he sings "Shame" to a dead-sounding TR-808. But putting the rock aside for a moment was a successful experiment for the band on some songs. They missed the mark on trying to fuse "electronic" elements into their music. They did succeed in extending their musical palette a bit, and the live shows from this era are amazing.
Yeah, the band KNEW the fans wanted Mellon Collie. So how exactly does it kill the "ride the wave" idea? Because, as you probably know, when a band gets extremely huge like SP did, they almost always remember who they are and hardly ever try a different direction. Face it, Billy felt like he could do anything, and adding in little electronic farts was the way to stay current at the time. I think someone mentioned Marilyn Manson as an example of music staying heavy around this time. So how about "the Dope Show?" Or Mechanical Animals in general? Maybe it still had guitars on it, but the bleeps and bloops are there, and that is the point I have been trying to make here fellas. Every early-to-mid nineties band was clambering to stay afloat, and it's not like I'm mad at any of them for doing it. With Mtv playing three videos a day, why wouldn't you try to make your albums fit in with the newer generations? Now we see that this kind of thinking was misguided, as fans did want MCIS II, but SP assumed that what they wanted was the evolutionary Pumpkins, molded for the current times.Diablos said:This is so true, and it kills the "SP loves to ride the wave" idea. What? The band KNEW a bunch of fans wanted another Mellon Collie. They didn't care, they wanted to branch out and do other things because they got tired of what they were doing.
If SP wanted to "ride the wave", they would've given into Virgin's demands of releasing a bunch of similar albums by a certain deadline. The Pumpkins actually went to court because they refused to fulfill their commercial obligations to the label. So we can just stop with this whole "riding the wave" idea. Adore and Machina are not anything remotely close to being that. Showing crappy bands how it's done is not the same thing, as Machina sounds nothing like the Limp Bizkit's and Staind's of the late 90's.
!!!tsp_gatmog said:apparently some tracks have leaked.........:x
BigJonsson said:Virgin Festival in Toronto on September 9th = SMASHING PUMPKINS!
Anyone know when the album or a single or a new track will be out?!?
No, it's definitely official (just check smashingpumpkins.com).distantmantra said:Didn't they announce a release date of July 7th? Or did that turn out to be BS?
It releases at 7:07, too. -_-distantmantra said:Didn't they announce a release date of July 7th? Or did that turn out to be BS?
Where did you hear this?Rorschach said:It releases at 7:07, too. -_-
So retarded.
LA Radio and a couple of sites...Diablos said:Where did you hear this?
March 19th, 2007 - Smashing Pumpkins Set 7/7/7 Release Date
E! reports: Some smashing news for Smashing Pumpkins fans. A year and a half after announcing their reunion via full-page newspaper ads, Billy Corgan and his merry band of alt-rockers have revealed that Zeitgeist, their first studio album since 2000s Machina: The Machines of God, will drop in July. In a message on its Website, the Chicago-based band said it will forgo the typical Tuesday release date for a relatively rare Saturday release, making the album available exactly at 7:07 a.m. on July 7, aka 07-07-07.
Zeitgeist will be released July 7a Saturday, as opposed to a traditional Tuesday releaseat 7:07 a.m., thus milking the 07/07/07 date to the fullest (and you thought people went overboard with the 666 release dates last year).
22 Mar 2007 | Thursday
2:20 PM - Virgin Festival- Baltimore, MD
That's right- The Smashing Pumpkins will be headlining The Virgin Festival at the Pimlico Race Course in Baltimore, MD the weekend of August 4-5 along with the Police. Full line up will be announced soon. Check out http://www.virginfestival.com/2007/index.html for more information.
I've known about 7/7/07 since the news first broke quite some time ago, but I did NOT know it's going to also come out at 7:07.Nick said:I saw that whole 7.07.07 bit two days ago on some TV show and I was all, "I wonder if Diablos know about this." And if you didn't, I would have LOLed for knowing something about the Pumpkins that you didn't. But I'm sure you did.
Well, I'm not going to read this thread to find out, but I'm sure you did.
P.S. Did you?
Diablos said:I've known about 7/7/07 since the news first broke quite some time ago, but I did NOT know it's going to also come out at 7:07.
tsp gatmog: Well, now there's two shows in North America. Both are the Virgin Festival. That's pretty funny since SP told Virgin to **** off and went with Reprise, lol.
Hmm, I'm not so sure about that.Luna104 said:Well, I definitely prefer the black dress over the old man look.
Luna104 said:Well, I definitely prefer the black dress over the old man look.
Either she's in the band or James is (since there was a clip of him on the band's myspace which is pretty weird).im biting my tongue right now !!
because i really really really wanna tell you something exciting and i have to wait a few more days.
boooooo
The new album of Smashing comes out 7.7.07...
... and Gia Paloma, Sasha Grey and me will be in photograph in the booklet of album!!!!
They have just finished the photoshoot, paris hilton there ono set, (but they not have poses with her)
Kisses has all
PS: Billy, the singer, is really great nice and has feet on earth, rare thing for one who with his succes...
2nd post:
the theme has a rather long explanation with 8 differentes there "vignettes ", which representent the human feelings, or cycles into which l am human. a tomb and fall again going out of great billy's mouth, but I do not remember any more of everything.
paris in a differente vignette of ours, but are for him they have not pose together.
finally here is a small photograph of making of (desolee for blocks, they really did not pose, lol)