Official Xbox Live Arcade Thread
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Confidence Man
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Let me look into my crystal ball and see next weeks exciting release!
The original classic "Pong" will be available worldwide for 400 Microsoft Points
And the week after!
The original classic "Pong" will be available worldwide for 400 Microsoft Points
And the week after!
BenjaminBirdie
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Confidence Man said:
Fresh sentiment, cleverly expressed.
GhaleonEB said:
So was Texas Hold 'Em poker. CES is just like any other event, you can announce things. Or not. I don't see why it should set any specific precedent.
Should this year's GDC be where we announce which Japanese developed title will come to the US? Or maybe just make announcements in general?
Rocky_Balboa
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You got a point there. Although I'd rather play old console games than old arcade games. I also understand that it's easier to port an emulator and some roms than recode old arcade games with online components. My question is, why don't MS port some good arcade games?pswii60 said:
Yes it is. Because not only does Nintendo get stuff out every week on time, but they supply multiple games -- games that many people have never gotten a chance to play (Turbo-Grafx 16 titles are something that very, very few people have ever really gotten a chance to experience.) Outside of last week's horrible offering they've done a pretty damn good job of providing great titles. The VC is bitchslapping XBLA. Which sucks ass, because I have a 360 and XBLA *was* my favorite aspect of it.pswii60 said:
I'm really anticipating XBLA turning around in the future, but right now it's unbelievably disappointing in the face of both Sony and Nintendo's offerings in the same vein.
CES is not a gaming venue. It was a substantial break from the norm last year to have those XBLA games, the Fight Night Round 3 demo, among other things, announced. Typcially, it's hardware and services (like this year). In the CES anticipation threads, people were looking back on last year's announcements to get a feel of what could be announced this year - what kind of announcements. You can hardly blame people for seeing what was announced in years past and wondering if something similar could be up this year. Not to expect it, but to at least speculate because of the precident.arne said:
Chemo said:
True, Nintendo are consistent, but it's pretty easy to be consistent when all you're doing is uploading a ROM to your server.
These XBLA games, like it or not, have to be changed to accept achievements, the source code needs to be changed from the coin-op board slightly (to enable you to start the game without having ot insert money) and online play is quite often added. It's not a simple case of digging out an old ROM dump and sticking it on the server.
You could argue that all this achievement and online play is not needed, but just remember that one of the main reasons the old XBLA games sell is BECAUSE of achievements. That's the real difference.
EDIT: And let's not forget that if you're in the UK like me, you can enjoy a really, really SLOW Sonic running at 50hz that isn't even formatted properly for my HDTV. Hardly what I expect in 2007.
MikeHaggar
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arne said:
careful, arne...
BenjaminBirdie
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Chemo said:
Is VC doing anything other than shitting out ROMs?
Are they at least shitting them out worldwide?
Will I still have to switch my TV to Normal (4:3) from Full (16:9) to play them unstretched?
I'd dial the "bitchslap" down to a "friendly slug to the shoulder" then.
Beer Monkey
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maynerd said:
Those are all features of the emulator, not the game. They are ROM dumps and they could release a thousand games in a few weeks if they wanted to.
I'll be buying Soldier Blade shortly.
maynerd said:
1) Not 480p on PAL machines. Secondly, 480p is a given as part of the emulation. If you run an emulator on your PC, your machine doesn't change it's resolution to 480i, does it.
2) User guides are indeed a nice addition, but don't take up much time to deliver.
3) Savestates again are part of the emulator - if you have used any PC emulator you'd know this. It's got nothing to do with the ROM.
beermonkey@tehbias said:
The user guide for the game is built into the emulator? It's written for the game isn't it?
VC will have tons of games that were not available outside of the original consoles ever before, games that people have been really wanting for a long time but couldn't get, and they will be relatively cheap.
But hey you will get your 1 game a week (sometimes) that'll be an arcade game that you can play via flash on your pc for free. AWESOME.
soul creator
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maynerd said:
I probably shouldn't jump in, but one could easily say
"But hey you will get your 3-5 games a week that'll be a game that you can play via emulator on your pc for free, or via GameTap for $10 a month for 700 games, instead of $6-$10 per game"
Beer Monkey
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maynerd said:
It's just an extra file that gets included along with the ROM. Hell, some pirate releases include manuals. You could hire clerical temps and shit out hundreds of manuals per day. It's no comparison to actually having to do development and code to add online gameplay, leaderboards, etc.
VC so far = ROM DUMP. That doesn't mean that there aren't any games worth buying but the whole service would be a lot more interesting with original or enhanced content. Bomberman with online multiplayer would be a good start.
maynerd said:
Now you're trolling? The only point I was making is that all Nintendo/publishers have to do is dump a ROM and write (or copy) a user guide. The rest is provided within the existing emulator (savestates, 480p). THAT is why they can be so consistent.
MS/publishers for XBLA have to rewrite some of the source code, add online play, achievements, integrate it with the guide etc, so it requires much more effort and testing, hence why they are not as consistent.
Finally, the reason why I believe VC does NOT 'bitchslap' XBLA is because, like PSN, new games are being provided. Have you even seen the Worms videos? Played Geometry Wars? Lumines? Mutant Storm? Even Marble Blast or Zuma? These are new games that you cannot (currently) get on VC. PSN also has some great stuff like Gripshift and Lemmings. So stop trolling XBLA and appreciate that what it DOES do, it does damn well. The only thing it's lacking atm is consistency.
EDIT: In fact, if you must know why everyone is so depressed around here, it's because they know what XBLA is capable of, and that's why everyone is getting so damn impatient. The Worms HD videos made everyone drool like crazy, and we wanted it this week.
EDIT PART DEUX: Also, VC is not 'relatively cheap' when you consider what you could get on either PSN or XBLA for the same price or cheaper. EG, brand new Lemmings in HD on PSN is $6.99. You'd pay more than that for an old SNES game on VC.
BenjaminBirdie
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maynerd said:
Oh please. You can't be that reductive and you know it. Assault Heroes is a free flash game? You know your statement is just logically off the rails.
beermonkey@tehbias said:
Wow lots of pirating talk going on here...hmm...anyways...
I own both a Wii and an X360. As a consumer all I see are subpar titles coming out on average of 1 title a week thru XBLA. I don't care that it takes more time for an XBLA title to be released. I care that only one title a week (sometimes) are released with 1 interesting title being released every couple of months.
Reading thru this thread and the VC thread it's clear to me Wii owners are more happy with VC than X360 owners are with XBLA. The issue with Wii owners is not when is a good game gonna come out, it's wow there are so many good games to choose from and wow look at all the other good games coming down the pipe. With XBLA it's wow there aren't enough titles coming out each week and there aren't really that many exciting titles coming.
ROM dumps or not there is more excitement around VC than XBLA from people who own their systems.
FirstInHell
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Namco should be banned from releasing XBL Arcade games for the rest of the year. I think a company should only be able to release a certain number of oudated shovelware arcade games a few times a year.
XBL Arcade is slowly becoming irrelevant to me. This is coming from a person who has bought 20+ games on the service. There are only so many times that I can buy a game, play it for five minutes, and forget about it forever (which can be said for the majority of the games MS is releasing).
I think I have reached my threshold of crap. I think I am just going to stop eating it.
XBL Arcade is slowly becoming irrelevant to me. This is coming from a person who has bought 20+ games on the service. There are only so many times that I can buy a game, play it for five minutes, and forget about it forever (which can be said for the majority of the games MS is releasing).
I think I have reached my threshold of crap. I think I am just going to stop eating it.
Beer Monkey
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Um, the point is that there's no real skill or effort to squirt some converted manuals out of your ass.maynerd said:
pr0cs
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maynerd said:
that's a very presumptuous statement.
All this thread really exposes is that people want more unique titles that expand gaming, not the rehashed shit week-in week-out. Neither VC nor XBLA have been good at providing constant, consistent NEW games to their libraries.
I'd love to see new XBLA titles like Assault Heroes and Mutant Storm week in and week out but developing new and innovative titles from scratch isn't like getting a new toy from a crack-jax box, this shit takes time.
soul creator
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maynerd said:
playing Ms. Pac-Man on a "free flash site" isn't exactly supported by Namco either. Just sayin', lol.
krypt0nian
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Rather have Worms but as retro content goes, i was looking forward to Ms. Pac-Man.
Beer Monkey
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maynerd said:
I have a Wii and I'm very frustrated at the lack of original content. But instead of repeatedly trolling the Wii thread I keep pretty quiet about it.
FirstInHell said:
Can you blame them? Galaga and Pac-Man were the #8 and #5 best selling XBLA games last year. There's an audience for these games. It's not me, it's not you, but it's out there. As long as stuff like Assault Heroes, Worms and Mutant Storm is sprinkled in there, there's something for me as well.
arne said:yeah, but galaga and pac-man aren't shovelware. FirstInHell clearly said shovelware.
Cloning Clyde is one of the best XBLA games (in my opinion and many GAFfers opinions) but only got to #19 on the list, way below the 'retro shovelware' so GAFfers mean nothing to the industry, that's for sure. Oh, and Lumines was #20. It's a sodding shame, but the fact that UNO was #1 and Geometry Wars was #2 shows that NEW content still rules the roost.
beermonkey@tehbias said:
Umm..did nintendo talk up original content? I don't think they put forward such a promise.
I don't think I'm trolling. Sure I "exagerated" some comments. I was just expressing my disappointment on XBLA.
pr0cs said:
This may be true. I guess we'll see.
maynerd said:
well some of your comments, while true because they're your opinon, may be seen as close to trolling.
actually... nintendo hasn't announced a huge library of games coming down the pipe. the majority of what people know is coming on VC comes from the ESRB website and a few publisher annoucements. just as an example.
arne said:
You are correct they haven't announced many titles. However the ESRB site, publisher anouncements, releases in other countries, and the anticipation of major Nintendo titles from NES, SNES, N64 are enough to cause quite a stir. Will nintendo release their major titles from all of their systems, we don't know for sure, but they'd be dumb not to.
maynerd said:
Well, I guess my point is, in one way or another, MS actually has announced a good number of releases in advance in conjunction with publishers providing or releasing the news.
It just seemed that you were insinuating that people couldn't see (and therefore say wow, potentially) at any of the releases coming down the pipe.
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