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(OH SHIZNITS) Devil May Cry 4 confirmed multiplatform PS3/360/PC

You know, if Capcom had announced that DMC4 had been cancelled for PS3 and was becoming a 360 exclusive, all this freaking-out (positive and negative) would be understandable. But for it to go multi? Not so much. After the GTA4 announcement, the writing was on the wall - the PS3 just doesn't have the install base to make big-budget exclusives profitable for third party publishers at this point in its lifespan. (And I imagine that even sweetening the pot with a paid exclusivity deal wouldn't be enough to make up the difference in sales.) Sony probably also felt that with two exclusive, high-profile action franchises of their own (Heavenly Sword, GoW), the loss of this particular exclusive wouldn't devalue the brand too much in the long run, despite the initial fan freakout. (Personally, I think they'd be right about that, but then again, I like both GoW and Ninja Gaiden more than DMC3, so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt.)

The people crying, 'Waaaaugh, every reason to buy a PS3 has just vanished!' are overreacting, IMO (though that's just business as usual around here :p). Heavenly Sword's on its way. Ratchet's still coming. Home and LBP are still on track. This news doesn't change any of that. I think it's interesting, though - it looks like first-party titles are becoming more and more of a defining factor for each system, and that they'll play a much greater role this gen than they did in the last one.
 
meltpotato said:
there are lots of us who transitioned from the ps2 as our primary platform last gen tot he 360 as our primary this gen. i know im pretty excited to be able to continue the DMC series without having to pick up a ps3 quite yet.

Yeah as much as it hurt me to do so it seemed that it was were the games were going...and the upsampling capabilities and the steal of a price I got my 360 for warranted it.
 
Tellaerin said:
The people crying, 'Waaaaugh, every reason to buy a PS3 has just vanished!' are overreacting, IMO (though that's just business as usual around here :p).

Hehe, yeah. The new tag should be:

NeoGAF
Believe

NeoGAF
Knee Jerk
 
Neomoto said:
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:lol Somehow I feel this isn't the end of Sony losing key titles.
You guys can quote me on this. Tekken's next. And then Soul Calibur. X360 the true next-gen fighting system to be confirmed. :)
 
Tellaerin said:
You know, if Capcom had announced that DMC4 had been cancelled for PS3 and was becoming a 360 exclusive, all this freaking-out (positive and negative) would be understandable. But for it to go multi? Not so much. After the GTA4 announcement, the writing was on the wall - the PS3 just doesn't have the install base to make big-budget exclusives profitable for third party publishers at this point in its lifespan. (And I imagine that even sweetening the pot with a paid exclusivity deal wouldn't be enough to make up the difference in sales.) Sony probably also felt that with two exclusive, high-profile action franchises of their own (Heavenly Sword, GoW), the loss of this particular exclusive wouldn't devalue the brand too much in the long run, despite the initial fan freakout. (Personally, I think they'd be right about that, but then again, I like both GoW and Ninja Gaiden more than DMC3, so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt.)

The people crying, 'Waaaaugh, every reason to buy a PS3 has just vanished!' are overreacting, IMO (though that's just business as usual around here :p). Heavenly Sword's on its way. Ratchet's still coming. Home and LBP are still on track. This news doesn't change any of that. I think it's interesting, though - it looks like first-party titles are becoming more and more of a defining factor for each system, and that they'll play a much greater role this gen than they did in the last one.

Partly. Console price and additional services connected to 3rd party games(online mode in Virtua Tennis 3 on Xbox 360 and not so on PS3) will be big deciding factors.
 
PorscheThunder said:
You guys can quote me on this. Tekken's next. And then Soul Calibur. X360 the true next-gen fighting system to be confirmed. :)

Seeing that Ace Combat is now on the 360 yeah..I don't doubt it.
 
PjotrStroganov said:
Partly. Console price and additional services connected to 3rd party games(online mode in Virtua Tennis 3 on Xbox 360 and not so on PS3) will be big deciding factors.

True enough, though I'm not going to assume that the 'additional services' bit is automatically going to favor the 360 forever, either - the PS3 does have online functionality too, after all. :) And the fact that you're not paying a subscription fee for online play is a plus, too. There are pros and cons to both sides, I think.

PorscheThunder said:
You guys can quote me on this. Tekken's next. And then Soul Calibur. X360 the true next-gen fighting system to be confirmed. :)

Soul Calibur I can see going multi again. Tekken, not so much. (Then again, Namco surprised me with Ridge Racer, too - I didn't expect to see that appear on a non-Sony platform, either.)
 
Tellaerin said:
True enough, though I'm not going to assume that the 'additional services' bit is automatically going to favor the 360 forever, either - the PS3 does have online functionality too, after all. :) And the fact that you're not paying a subscription fee for online play is a plus, too. There are pros and cons to both sides, I think.



Soul Calibur I can see going multi again. Tekken, not so much. (Then again, Namco surprised me with Ridge Racer, too - I didn't expect to see that appear on a non-Sony platform, either.)
After seeing Virtua Fighter 5 sales, I think we can safely assume Tekken 6 will go multi platform.
 
rage1973 said:
After seeing Virtua Fighter 5 sales, I think we can safely assume Tekken 6 will go multi platform.

You may be right. I think part of VF5's poor sales on the PS3 can be attributed to the fact that the series is just not as casual-friendly or popular outside of the hardcore fighting crowd as other fighting games (including Tekken). I don't envision it posting massive numbers on the 360 either, though it'll likely do better overall just because the userbase is bigger. I do think Sony might try to throw some money at Namco to hold onto Tekken as an exclusive, since good fighting games are notoriously difficult to produce and no first-party studios are working on one AFAIK, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
Dahbomb said:
"We" are hyped about Heavenly Sword because we have seen it in motion (in-game), seen behind the scenes production videos and seen previews of many journalists praising it. Did people say crap like "why are we hyping up Halo if its because of a videos and made by the guys who made Oni?"


Oni wasn't that bad of a game, and apparently you never played anything from the Myth series.
 
Just about every Ace combat game has been on the Sony brand...and to see it go to the 360 just telegraphs to me that the same will happen to tekken 6.
 
justjohn said:
no one has given me the link to the resident evil 4 to ps2 thread. hmmm i wonder why:lol

After reading through the awesomeness of this thread, I need to see that. Any other threads GAF members would recommend reading? (yes I am really bored right now)
 
Jirotrom said:
your list is flawed as God of War 3 isn't on there and neither is an ICO game. Or the Ratchet and clank series.
Why would I list first party games? I never buy a console just for first party games. We all learned 2 generations ago that a console cannot lead with just first party games.
 
Jirotrom said:
your list is flawed as God of War 3 isn't on there and neither is an ICO game. Or the Ratchet and clank series.

If they loose FFXIII and MGS4 as exclusives, it's just a matter of time before they go the way of Sega. No worries here.
 
jj984jj said:
Why would I list first party games? I never buy a console just for first party games. We all learned 2 generations ago that a console cannot survive on just first party games.
I thought you were listing off "good" games. I buy systems for the games regardless. If it is at a decent price and the first party is strong enough i'll purchase. For me there is no sense in missing out on some great games if I can avoid doing so.
 
typhonsentra said:
So do you have a Wii or not?
No next-gen. consoles what so ever. Unless you count handhelds as consoles.

Jirotrom said:
I thought you were listing off "good" games. I buy systems for the games regardless. If it is at a decent price and the first party is strong enough i'll purchase. For me there is no sense in missing out on some great games if I can avoid doing so.
Well unfortunately I don't have enough money to spend on gaming to buy all three consoles, like the last 4 generations I will buy 2 at the most.
 
I missed out on the photoshop excitement and I'm swamped at work. I had <5 minutes to throw these together, but this last day can ONLY mean two things:

1)Chuck Norris IS master chief and 3rd parties don't dare make Chuck angry:
chuckkillssonyge4.jpg



2)Expect more PR from the Sony Information Minister:
sonyinfoministergl9.jpg


Would've made them better, but I've apparently lost enough work time to this thread. lol
 
Wow I didn't notice that Ace Combat went multiplatform too, holy shit. I wonder what the guys over at Sony's are thinking about this.
 
rage1973 said:
After seeing Virtua Fighter 5 sales, I think we can safely assume Tekken 6 will go multi platform.

then again, one might argue VF5's sales as a reason for Tekken remaining single console exclusive. :lol
 
jj984jj said:
No next-gen. consoles what so ever. Unless you count handhelds as consoles.


Well unfortunately I don't have enough money to spend on gaming to buy all three consoles, like the last 4 generations I will buy 2 at the most.
yeah..thats why I said decent price. Understandable as I bought my premium 360 for 260 bucks.
 
Neomoto said:
Wow I didn't notice that Ace Combat went multiplatform too, holy shit. I wonder what the guys over at Sony's are thinking about this.
it hasn't been announced for ps3 yet, but im sure its multiplatform
 
bmf said:
If they loose FFXIII and MGS4 as exclusives, it's just a matter of time before they go the way of Sega. No worries here.


That's really silly. What ever happened to the old 'They're only sequels! No new IP's!" arguments.
 
pxleyes said:
thank god those have been announced

oh wait...

They actually kinda have.

Barlog at the GoW2 launch event, Team ICO game in Famitsu a few weeks back, and obviously Ratchet and Clank future.
 
Tellaerin said:
You know, if Capcom had announced that DMC4 had been cancelled for PS3 and was becoming a 360 exclusive, all this freaking-out (positive and negative) would be understandable. But for it to go multi? Not so much. After the GTA4 announcement, the writing was on the wall - the PS3 just doesn't have the install base to make big-budget exclusives profitable for third party publishers at this point in its lifespan. (And I imagine that even sweetening the pot with a paid exclusivity deal wouldn't be enough to make up the difference in sales.) Sony probably also felt that with two exclusive, high-profile action franchises of their own (Heavenly Sword, GoW), the loss of this particular exclusive wouldn't devalue the brand too much in the long run, despite the initial fan freakout. (Personally, I think they'd be right about that, but then again, I like both GoW and Ninja Gaiden more than DMC3, so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt.)

The people crying, 'Waaaaugh, every reason to buy a PS3 has just vanished!' are overreacting, IMO (though that's just business as usual around here :p). Heavenly Sword's on its way. Ratchet's still coming. Home and LBP are still on track. This news doesn't change any of that. I think it's interesting, though - it looks like first-party titles are becoming more and more of a defining factor for each system, and that they'll play a much greater role this gen than they did in the last one.

Sony's being dumb about this. Phil Harrison was being idiotic for basically saying that the userbase can't support 3rd party titles alone. If the PS3 can't support GTA, how will it support other company's titles? What message does that send to those 3rd parties? That Square better move Final Fantasy to the 360 as well because the PS3 can't support it on its own? Konami better move Metal Gear Solid? If their userbase can't support third party titles, then how can they support their own big titles? What are they going to do, just accept these losses? How much is Killzone costing? I really don't buy into that little argument of, "Well it's all about 1st party this generation." No, it's not. Sony's trying to turn into Nintendo of old and they are going to get very much the same results Nintendo used to get. If Sony thinks they can try to be a 600 dollar Nintendo, then they'll face a very gruesome fate, and I'll have no pity on them for their arrogance. Sony's been talking big and basically dismissed the competition and now they may very well get slaughtered. It is time for Sony to reevaluate paying for 3rd party exclusives.

Only a relatively small userbase is going to pay 600 dollars for PS3 1st party titles, and with a hundred dollar price drop of the 360, Microsoft can drop the axe on Sony's head. And if Microsoft ever gets a significant userbase lead on the PS3, then it definitely won't be a 1st party battle because they will start to get free exclusives due to the userbase being able to support the games. Also, Microsoft's first party titles stack up quite well. Gears of War, Halo 3, Forza, etc. And for as much as Sony's emphasizing first party, its almost hard for me to care less about their first party efforts because THEY AREN'T SHOWING ANYTHING. We hardly have any media for their 1st party games, and what are gamers supposed to do, wait more months hoping Sony shows what they have while Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Forza and all of these other games drop on the 360?

Look at what the 360 has already released or is soon to release, and many of these future games are coming out on the same date:
Ace Combat (only announced for 360 right now)
Command and Conquer (only announced for 360 right now)
Lost Planet (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Dead Rising (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Virtua Fighter 5
Devil May Cry 4
Grand Theft Auto 4
Resident Evil 5
Ridge Racer 6
Armored Core

What 3rd parties basically looked at the situation and decided to abandon exclusivity? First it was Koei, then it was Sega, and now it's Capcom. Who's next? Namco? Square? If they lose Final Fantasy or Metal Gear, there's really little reason for the average gamer to own a PS3.

It really hurts Sony that Microsoft is getting many of its biggest third party games ON THE SAME DAY. On the other hand, PS3 gamers have to wait for GRAW 2. They get to play Oblivion a year later (PS3 wasn't released yet, so that's understandable). It also hurts that Sony has never had to face up against a CHEAPER machine that basically has all of the same 3rd party games on the same machine and these titles look just as good, if not at times better. Sony is out of their mind if they think they can let the 360 have all of the same 3rd party games and just battle it out on 1st party, and have the gamer pay a premium on top of that.

I've been a Sony fan since the PS1 days, and it's more than disappointing to see what Sony is turning into. They are basically going in the opposite direction of what made me such a big fan of the previous two machines and into a direction that turned me off from Nintendo of old, which was my favorite company during the 8 and 16 bit days. As of right now, the PS3 is basically a 600 dollar portstation, and those ports aren't even particularly good. Does that sound extreme? Yes. Is it true? What other exclusive games other than Resistance and Motorstorm are PS3 gamers playing right now? Exactly. I could understand paying a premium if the ports were significantly better, but they're not. And Sony is being a hermit about its 1st party games. What exactly are they waiting for? The next tradeshow? Why? So Nintendo and Microsoft can continue to build up a lead and put themselves in a position to grab exclusives for free? So that more 3rd parties can defect from exclusivity status? What Sony needs to get through their heads is that they have to sell the PS3 as a GAMING machine. Only a small portion of the market has HD tvs or even really care about HD movies. Home will fail if they don't get enough users, and the primary reason anyone will buy a PS3 is the GAMES... not movies, not streaming, not whatever else Sony is trying to focus on.

I keep hearing, it's only been 4 months. So? In those 4 months they are losing exclusive after exclusive, and at a 500 to 600 price tag, there should be no excuses. Sony is trying to sell the PS3 off of hardware instead of gaming software, and if they don't change up that policy soon, they are going to lose bigtime.
 
typhonsentra said:
You're thinking in the past.

Indeed. There is no past on GAF. Only the now. The now says SONY AM DOOMED. MICROSOFT AM WIN! SONY GOING 3RD PARTY!

Tomorrow, the "now" may be different.

To those of us smart enough to own both a PS3 and 360, the only question is, "which version do I pick up?" Which, in the end, is the sweetest, easiest decision of them all.
 
kevm3 said:
Sony's being dumb about this. Phil Harrison was being idiotic for basically saying that the userbase can't support 3rd party titles alone. If the PS3 can't support GTA, how will it support other company's titles? What message does that send to those 3rd parties? That Square better move Final Fantasy to the 360 as well because the PS3 can't support it on its own? Konami better move Metal Gear Solid? If their userbase can't support third party titles, then how can they support their own big titles? What are they going to do, just accept these losses? How much is Killzone costing? I really don't buy into that little argument of, "Well it's all about 1st party this generation." No, it's not. Sony's trying to turn into Nintendo of old and they are going to get very much the same results Nintendo used to get. If Sony thinks they can try to be a 600 dollar Nintendo, then they'll face a very gruesome fate, and I'll have no pity on them for their arrogance. Sony's been talking big and basically dismissed the competition and now they may very well get slaughtered. It is time for Sony to reevaluate paying for 3rd party exclusives.

Only a relatively small userbase is going to pay 600 dollars for PS3 1st party titles, and with a hundred dollar price drop of the 360, Microsoft can drop the axe on Sony's head. And if Microsoft ever gets a significant userbase lead on the PS3, then it definitely won't be a 1st party battle because they will start to get free exclusives due to the userbase being able to support the games. Also, Microsoft's first party titles stack up quite well. Gears of War, Halo 3, Forza, etc. And for as much as Sony's emphasizing first party, its almost hard for me to care less about their first party efforts because THEY AREN'T SHOWING ANYTHING. We hardly have any media for their 1st party games, and what are gamers supposed to do, wait more months hoping Sony shows what they have while Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Forza and all of these other games drop on the 360?

Look at what the 360 has already released or is soon to release, and many of these future games are coming out on the same date:
Ace Combat (only announced for 360 right now)
Command and Conquer (only announced for 360 right now)
Lost Planet (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Dead Rising (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Virtua Fighter 5
Devil May Cry 4
Grand Theft Auto 4
Resident Evil 5
Ridge Racer 6
Armored Core

What 3rd parties basically looked at the situation and decided to abandon exclusivity? First it was Koei, then it was Sega, and now it's Capcom. Who's next? Namco? Square? If they lose Final Fantasy or Metal Gear, there's really little reason for the average gamer to own a PS3.

It really hurts Sony that Microsoft is getting many of its biggest third party games ON THE SAME DAY. On the other hand, PS3 gamers have to wait for GRAW 2. They get to play Oblivion a year later (PS3 wasn't released yet, so that's understandable). It also hurts that Sony has never had to face up against a CHEAPER machine that basically has all of the same 3rd party games on the same machine and these titles look just as good, if not at times better. Sony is out of their mind if they think they can let the 360 have all of the same 3rd party games and just battle it out on 1st party, and have the gamer pay a premium on top of that.

I've been a Sony fan since the PS1 days, and it's more than disappointing to see what Sony is turning into. They are basically going in the opposite direction of what made me such a big fan of the previous two machines and into a direction that turned me off from Nintendo of old, which was my favorite company during the 8 and 16 bit days. As of right now, the PS3 is basically a 600 dollar portstation, and those ports aren't even particularly good. Does that sound extreme? Yes. Is it true? What other exclusive games other than Resistance and Motorstorm are PS3 gamers playing right now? Exactly. I could understand paying a premium if the ports were significantly better, but they're not. And Sony is being a hermit about its 1st party games. What exactly are they waiting for? The next tradeshow? Why? So Nintendo and Microsoft can continue to build up a lead and put themselves in a position to grab exclusives for free? So that more 3rd parties can defect from exclusivity status? What Sony needs to get through their heads is that they have to sell the PS3 as a GAMING machine. Only a small portion of the market has HD tvs or even really care about HD movies. Home will fail if they don't get enough users, and the primary reason anyone will buy a PS3 is the GAMES... not movies, not streaming, not whatever else Sony is trying to focus on.

I keep hearing, it's only been 4 months. So? In those 4 months they are losing exclusive after exclusive, and at a 500 to 600 price tag, there should be no excuses. Sony is trying to sell the PS3 off of hardware instead of gaming software, and if they don't change up that policy soon, they are going to lose bigtime.

How dare you bring logic and sensible thinking in after 44 pages!
 
kevm3 said:
I keep hearing, it's only been 4 months. So? In those 4 months they are losing exclusive after exclusive, and at a 500 to 600 price tag, there should be no excuses. Sony is trying to sell the PS3 off of hardware instead of gaming software, and if they don't change up that policy soon, they are going to lose bigtime.
Hint: PSP.
As great as it was, Sony handled the situation poorly. It almost seems like they're making the same mistakes but with a console. They need to push the software.

Good post.
 
kevm3 said:
If they lose Final Fantasy or Metal Gear, there's really little reason for the average gamer to own a PS3.

That's ****ing rediculous... Sony has the largest first party resource out of all three... you mean to tell me that isn't reason enough? They own one of the highest selling franchises of all time even... Sony saw this coming, and they reacted properly... With rising dev costs, third parties have to take this route to make their money back... It's common sense... what, did you expect Sony just to throw millions and millions of dollars away on every exclusive 3rd party title they had before...

Sony instead, threw the money at buying up IP's from devs.... Stuff they can invest in a long time... I doubt Capcom was willing to give up the DMC IP... But, Insomniac was willing to give them Rachet and Resistance... So who is Sony going to support... Sony also purchased devs to expand SCEWWS, like Zipper and Gorilla, created great NEW IP's like GoW as well...

Sony has a lot of games in the works right now according to Harrison... and that's what is going to win this war... First Party stuff, because that's basically the only stuff for sure not going anywhere... And it seems Sony has the largest resources on their side for that...

There's more than enough reason to buy a PS3... Just as much at least as to buy a 360... If you like games, that is...

Also, it seems there's more quality games out SOONER on the PS3 in it's first year in sheer quantity as well, than there was so soon on their prior systems... 1st/3rd party wise... Hell, we got an AAA title AT LAUNCH from them this time as well... the 360 was out for a year earlier, devs had more time, how can you compare it? As far as I know, the PS3 has a better lineup in the period of it's launch time than the 360 did... And I know, I have a 360 as well...
 
Dave1988 said:
I wonder how people will react if DMC4 turns out another failed game like DMC2? Another 100 page GAF meltdown?
Perhaps, but I beleive it's being done by the folks who did the first, and some of the folks from RE4, so it should turn out pretty good. I think capcom learned their lesson on how NOT to make a DMC game, hopefully.
 
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