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Ohio reaps what it sows.

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Cleveland: Poorest big city in the U.S., census shows
Wednesday, August 30, 2006
Diane Suchetka and Barb Galbincea
Plain Dealer Reporters
For the second time in three years, Cleveland has been named the poorest big city in America.

Other Ohioans are hurting financially too, according to data released Tuesday by the U.S. Census Bureau.

For those living in the eight counties around Cleveland, median household income dropped by $1,778 over the last five years.

Clevelanders were much worse off.

Nearly a third of the city's residents - 32.4 percent - were living below the federal poverty level.

Almost half the city's children were living in poverty.

And no other big city in America had a lower median household income than Cleveland's.

That makes the city worse off than it was in 2003, the last time it was named America's poorest big city. Then, 31.3 percent of Cleveland residents were living in poverty.

Ohio's poverty rate of 13 percent was slightly higher than the national rate of 12.6 percent. But the pockets of high poverty in the state alarmed many.

"That is unconscionable," said Gayle Channing Tenenbaum, a social-services advocate. "It just breaks my heart."

Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson said at a news conference Tuesday that he's implemented solutions since taking office in January.

"I've already taken action," he said, pointing to a new superintendent who is working to turn Cleveland's schools around. That, Jackson said, could draw as many as 150,000 people back to the city. The mayor is also collaborating with other communities to prepare people for jobs and create a regional economy.

His solutions, he said, are long-term. No one should expect to see changes in the coming weeks or months.

"People aren't stupid. They know that that's not going to happen. All they expect from me and people like me in positions like this is to have a sincere, dedicated effort to improve the quality of their life and the standard of their living. And that's what I'm committed to do as mayor of the city of Cleveland."

To add to Ohio's problems, Cincinnati was ranked the eighth-poorest big city in the country, making it the only state in the country with two cities among the 10 poorest.

Dayton also had one of the lowest median incomes in America for smaller cities. And Scioto County, in Appalachian Ohio, ranked among counties with the lowest median household incomes.

Nationally, household income ranged from a median of $61,672 in New Jersey to $32,938 for Mississippi. Ohio's was at $43,493, below the national average of $46,242.

The next poorest big city after Cleveland was Detroit with 31.4 percent of its residents living in poverty. The wealthiest was Plano, Texas, with 6.3 percent of residents living below the poverty level.

Mark Rosentraub, dean of the Levin College of Urban Affairs at Cleveland State University, is among critics who say the poverty rankings are virtually meaningless because they're not adjusted for factors such as huge differences in cost of living across the country.

The real story from the census figures, said Rosentraub, is the erosion of earning power among working Americans.

George Zeller, economic research analyst for the Center for Community Solutions, said that while Cleveland clearly has a high level of poverty, the census sampling isn't accurate enough to warrant ranking. As evidence he points to the fact that Cleveland was ranked 12th last year after being first the year before.

Whatever the problems with the census figures, he said that data from other sources confirm that incomes are falling in Cleveland and even in the most affluent suburbs. Zeller also said job growth in Ohio has been below the national average for 125 consecutive months, a record.

Sheldon Danziger, co-director of the National Poverty Center at the University of Michigan, said the census figures demonstrate that "poverty remains high because economic growth is not trickling down to the typical worker" in terms of earnings.

Cleveland has been among the 12 poorest cities in the country for the past six years, ever since the Census Bureau began the rankings.

It's mired in poverty, experts say, because jobs have moved to the suburbs, residents with money have followed them, fewer of those who remain have college educations, and more children are being raised in households without their fathers.

So how can the city pull itself up?

"It's the usual list of things," says Claudia Coulton, co-director of the Center on Urban Poverty and Social Change at Case Western Reserve University.

"Invest in education and work as a region to attract and retain employees and so forth.

"It's easy to say, and hard to do."

Others suggest raising the minimum wage, providing more job training and attracting new business.

"If we don't attract and retain businesses, then all the other assets we have become moot," said Anne Campbell Goodman, executive director of Cleveland Foodbank.

"We've got to have places for people to work."

Tenenbaum noted that the latest census figures come 10 years after welfare reform and show "we have not moved people out of poverty. What you see is people working very, very hard at minimum-wage jobs and then standing in line at food banks."

The Rev. Otis Moss, pastor of Olivet Institutional Baptist Church in Cleveland, said the federal government needs to help combat poverty.

"It is not a priority at the federal level," he said.

"No city can do this alone, no matter how great the leadership or how committed the citizenry."

Will this state ever learn it's lesson?
 
CharlieDigital said:
LeBron James to the Brooklyn Nets in 2008.

BELIEVE!

I hope I get out of this god forsaken city before that cock-lick.

That's the plan at least.

What's great is I do tech support for a nationwide firm, and douchebags from New York will try to bust my balls - not knowing that not everybody that lives here is some Browns/Cavs/Indians/Force cocksucking retard.

"Hey, did you hear? The Browns are coming to New York."

"Oh that's nice."

"Not a sports fan?"

"Nope."

"Well they're going to move the Rock Hall here."

"You might as well take it, you've already got the ceremonies."

Try as you might, it's just not a good idea to **** with someone that realizes Cleveland is the most ghetto shithole in the United States. Don't care mother****er - want out anyhow!

Actually a better way to rib a Clevelander would be to ask them how they enjoy their job at the new Wal-Mart that just opened up. :p
 
MIMIC said:
We went from 1st, to 12th, and back to 1st....in just 3 years. :(

Yeah, it took me four years to find a respectable job in Cleveland. Not out in the god damned suburbs, where they just look at you like you're scum because you drive a ford and have to work the jobs the children of these cocksuckers won't have to work.

Except in Cleveland, of course.

:lol :lol :lol

Seriously dude, this shit is pissing me off! Overcast bullshit is robbing me of my sunlight. :mad:

Kind of funny because I was helping a lady in California today, and she was lamenting how she hated the overcast skies back when she lived in Illinois. So true. So true.

I can't wait for blue skies and sunshine. Seriously, one more miserable winter here. I just have to keep from blowing my brains out from severe f'ing bouts depression.
 

Javaman

Member
terrene said:
Yeah, people having higher incomes is way less stimulating to the economy than $300 tax rebates.

If you jack up the minimum wage businesses will leave or decide to build elsewhere. With so many people living there currently working for chump-change, it seems like businesses would be rushing to get a piece of the cheap labor, but guess what...

"Ohio's tax climate is the fourth-worst in the nation for businesses"
http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2006/08/28/daily11.html

If Ohio wants to attract business they need to start giving tax deals to big companies looking to expand.
 

whiteACID

Closet Masochist
As soon as I graduate (next June) I am getting the hell out of Ohio. I'm thinking of going to South Carolina...
 
If Ohio wants to attract business they need to start giving tax deals to big companies looking to expand.

Wrong.

Cleveland has tried that, and once the Tax Abatement or whatever arrangement they've made expires - said businesses pack up and move to the suburbs, or out of state. It's time to stop sucking the dicks of corporate America. Stop giving these bitches free rides, how about we just level the playing field across the board.

I'm not saying a doctor should make the same amount as a burger flipper, but there are clearly people out there making $80k+ that aren't qualified to be making that money; but are because their cousin/aunt/frat buddy got them the job. The whole job market structure just sucks a fat dick. It's great - wherever I work now, I just play connect the dots and see who got who into the business, and it turns my stomach.

And if you think people can afford to live off of the $5.15 Federal Minimum Wage you're a ****ing retard. Even working two minimum wage jobs will not put you at the suggested living income for just basic utilities, rent, and food. Oh - and if you want a car, well there's a luxury you won't be able to afford. Among with many, many others.

As soon as I graduate (next June) I am getting the hell out of Ohio. I'm thinking of going to South Carolina...

Do it. There's a historic precedent for this sort of brain drain, because Ohio cannot support every person with a higher education; or it simply doesn't pay them what they're worth. I've got a friend who's going for his Masters Degree in Physics - who spent the last four years of his life as a ****ing photo tech at Wal-Greens.

**** Ohio!
 

Ichirou

Banned
masochist said:
As soon as I graduate (next June) I am getting the hell out of Ohio. I'm thinking of going to South Carolina...

Come to Japan instead and hang out with the NeoGAF crew.
 
I was up in the Cleveland area a few weeks ago, it's got to be the most depressing city I've ever been to. It really is a dead end state which you are best served getting out of asap. Which is a shame, because the place is freaking beautiful. I was in shock at how beautifully green everything was in the middle of August.
 

sans_pants

avec_pénis
The Take Out Bandit said:
Wrong.

Cleveland has tried that, and once the Tax Abatement or whatever arrangement they've made expires - said businesses pack up and move to the suburbs, or out of state. It's time to stop sucking the dicks of corporate America. Stop giving these bitches free rides, how about we just level the playing field across the board.

I'm not saying a doctor should make the same amount as a burger flipper, but there are clearly people out there making $80k+ that aren't qualified to be making that money; but are because their cousin/aunt/frat buddy got them the job. The whole job market structure just sucks a fat dick. It's great - wherever I work now, I just play connect the dots and see who got who into the business, and it turns my stomach.

And if you think people can afford to live off of the $5.15 Federal Minimum Wage you're a ****ing retard. Even working two minimum wage jobs will not put you at the suggested living income for just basic utilities, rent, and food. Oh - and if you want a car, well there's a luxury you won't be able to afford. Among with many, many others.



Do it. There's a historic precedent for this sort of brain drain, because Ohio cannot support every person with a higher education; or it simply doesn't pay them what they're worth. I've got a friend who's going for his Masters Degree in Physics - who spent the last four years of his life as a ****ing photo tech at Wal-Greens.

**** Ohio!


wow why dont you cry about it some more. someone seems a bit bitter
 

whiteACID

Closet Masochist
Javaman said:
BMW always seems to be hiring here. Good luck to you!
I'll have my history degree so I'm hoping to get a job at a museum, is there any really great musuems in SC? Also, I want to move somewhere that's about 30-45 minutes from the beach but not touristy...any suggestions?
 

MoxManiac

Member
The Take Out Bandit said:
Yeah, it took me four years to find a respectable job in Cleveland. Not out in the god damned suburbs, where they just look at you like you're scum because you drive a ford and have to work the jobs the children of these cocksuckers won't have to work.

You lived near Haleon?
 

sans_pants

avec_pénis
No one has to work for minimum wage unless they are a complete failure, I was making 9 bucks an hour in Akron for a summer job with no experience at all.
 

Javaman

Member
Nerevar said:
:lol :lol :lol

you really think that raising the minimum wage is going to push jobs "out of the state"?

To a lesser extent then businesses thinking about moving in, yes. On that same note, Why would potential employers want to start a business in an area with crap business tax breaks and high minimum wage when they could build somewhere that doesn't have either of those handicaps? The last time I checked, Ohio was 1.6% above the national unemployment average. They need new business moving in if they want to begin digging out of this rut.
 

Javaman

Member
masochist said:
I'll have my history degree so I'm hoping to get a job at a museum, is there any really great musuems in SC? Also, I want to move somewhere that's about 30-45 minutes from the beach but not touristy...any suggestions?

Not sure. At least the cost of living is pretty cheap here. I snagged a beat up 1300sqf house that needed some work for under $20k. That's well below the average for the area, but unless you buy lake or beach or downtown property things are pretty reasonable. I've seen land go for $1,500 an acre outside of smaller towns.
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
I'm not saying a doctor should make the same amount as a burger flipper, but there are clearly people out there making $80k+ that aren't qualified to be making that money; but are because their cousin/aunt/frat buddy got them the job.

That's life dude.

I guess you've never heard the saying "its not what you know, but who you know"?

I'll have to do some research, but I'm pretty sure Cleveland and Cincinnatti (along with Detroit) are bleeding population in huge quantities to other regions of the country. That doesn't bode well for attracting new companies and maintaining a strong workforce.
 
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