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[enanogrande]

You're saying he should act more professional in the face of racism and verbal abuse because he "signed up" for big time basketball. That's your justification for him not being excused, what other context are you trying to pull out? I understood the context just fine, you should probably argue the point I made instead. There is a line that can be crossed when you get too personal in attacks as a fan and there is no unspoken contract that players sign up for to ignore that level of abuse. What he did was barely anything.

You obviously did not understand the context of the discussion, because if you did you wouldn't act like I'm saying he should take all sorts of verbal abuse. You would understand however that I have a problem with the way he handled the situation.

Wether or not we agree with his handling of the situation is another point, but to take my comment out of context and equate it to the fan 'buying himself the right to abuse kids' (let alone to racist epithaphs) is something I have an issue with.

 

[DY_nasty]

It literally doesn't matter what you say. A player shouldn't push anyone like that. He can walk over and get security to escort them out.

People who attend college basketball games can say some insane shit. Never warrants any physical engagement.

I've heard terrible things at the few college basketball games I attended. Hell, my roommate was an antler.

Some idiot could have said "Your crackhead n_____ mom should have aborted you with her pipe." If you can't keep your composure, you should learn to. You're on the tv now playing with the big boys. Tune the morons out.

A lot of people don't know this but its almost impossible for a player to get a fan removed from a game even in the best of circumstances simply because the player's job is on the court, in the huddle, revolving around the game. Its not like golf where you can just point out a guy between puts.

Also, the logic surrounding "he does this for a living, he should learn to deal with it" is bullshit. How about fans should keep their composure and not let the heatofthemomentracism fly and stadiums enforce it just to be sure?

That's so, so easy to say.

 

[ito007]

You're right.. it kind of does look like he's saying sorry about that
That's strange because from the video that seems to be when Smart decides to push him

I'm thinking by the time he said "sorry about that", smart already decided to shove him. It might've been those 'wimpy apologising after the fact' type moments

 

[entremet]

Verbal abuse does not justify physical abuse.

It doesn't matter where, who, or the circumstances. Physical abuse is against the law, and you're not going to win a justification argument. Go ahead and counter that verbal abuse with your own, but as soon as punch a prick in the face, no matter how justified you think it is, you're not going to win legal sympathy.

I agree. But this is not a perfect world and why play with fire? Who knows what going through the athlete's mind as well. In a such an adrenaline filled situation and with so many crazy people out there who knows.

 

[KingGondo]

It literally doesn't matter what you say. A player shouldn't push anyone like that. He can walk over and get security to escort them out.

People who attend college basketball games can say some insane shit. Never warrants any physical engagement.

I've heard terrible things at the few college basketball games I attended. Hell, my roommate was an antler.

Some idiot could have said "Your crackhead n_____ mom should have aborted you with her pipe." If you can't keep your composure, you should learn to. You're on the tv now playing with the big boys. Tune the morons out.

And people above me are saying we as a society have a moral responsibility to beat people for saying stupid shit? Come on. That's not the way to handle these people.

Explains a lot as to why you'd defend Orr.

http://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/arch...as-long-as-theyre-acting-like-terrible-people

I'm sure Smart regrets what he did, and he'll be punished for it. They were both in the wrong, but I personally put more blame on the 50 or 60 year-old man who said something to a 19 year-old than the kid who reacted by pushing him.

He shouldn't have done it, but context matters.

 

[Mik317]

It literally doesn't matter what you say. A player shouldn't push anyone like that. He can walk over and get security to escort them out.

People who attend college basketball games can say some insane shit. Never warrants any physical engagement.

I've heard terrible things at the few college basketball games I attended. Hell, my roommate was an antler.

Some idiot could have said "Your crackhead n_____ mom should have aborted you with her pipe." If you can't keep your composure, you should learn to. You're on the tv now playing with the big boys. Tune the morons out.

I'm sorry but in what situation should this statement go without the one saying getting something back?

Like really. Imagine you are having an awful day/week, and you are super stressed out and your adrenaline is high as fuck, then some douchenozzle says this type of shit to you? Do you really think you'd be "like well...I slept with your wife" or just walk away? It's easier said than done and just because you have a jersey on (one that you aren't being paid to wear btw...which changes the whole responsibility stuff a bit IMO.) doesn't make that an easier thing to do.

I am not absolving Smart of his part in this. Dude is melting down and needs to begin to handle that shit. However, my issue is that it seems like the focus is more so on him than the cockball that started it. So the whole "well Smart should have walked away" stuff is weird because it takes the focus off the racist ass monkey. I am all for some light heckling but telling someone to go back to Africa is waaaay past that and I don't care if worst things are said all the time because honestly those dudes deserve to get lightly pushed too. No one should have to put up with that especially college kids who aren't even being paid for this shit. If this was Kobe, youd have a point but these aren't professional...they aren't being paid to put up with racist fucks, no matter how many people can walk away form it (JJ Redick, a white guy, had a ton of nasty stuff said about him and just because he was capable of walking away doesn't absolve the ones who said of their bullshit).

Smart should have never been in this position. He fucked up but please let not act like Fuckass over there is suddenly in the clear and the fact that the whole thin is about how Smart should have been teh bigger man is definately making it seem that way.

 

[SteveWinwood]

A lot of people don't know this but its almost impossible for a player to get a fan removed from a game even in the best of circumstances simply because the player's job is on the court, in the huddle, revolving around the game. Its not like golf where you can just point out a guy between puts.

Also, the logic surrounding "he does this for a living, he should learn to deal with it" is bullshit. How about fans should keep their composure and not let the heatofthemomentracism fly and stadiums enforce it just to be sure?

That's so, so easy to say.

Not simply point but I've been in groups that have been removed from games for being disorderly and harrasing. It does happen. It's not like they're immune. But at the end of the day he's the talent, he's what they came to see, he needs to not fly off the handle. It sucks but that's what it is. He'll be a better person at the end of the day for it.

Of course the stadiums and colleges should try to encourage better fans. I'd be fine with all that at lots of levels. MLB games especially. I'd be fine with tons of people being removed. It wouldn't take long before people got the message.

Explains a lot as to why you'd defend Orr.

http://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/arch...as-long-as-theyre-acting-like-terrible-people

I'm sure Smart regrets what he did, and he'll be punished for it. They were both in the wrong, but I personally put more blame on the 50 or 60 year-old man who said something to a 19 year-old than the kid who reacted by pushing him.

He shouldn't have done it, but context matters.

He showed me that article on Facebook and both he and I agree with it. They only do it to get attention. And they do. Just because they get away with it most of the time doesn't mean they should.

I'm not advocating physical violence against them.

Also for the record they have gotten a lot worse since I was there. Also look at the picture, all white guys. Some of that stuff didn't fly when the head was asian and my roommate (hispanic) was second in command. I also think they used to be a bit more clever and a bit less offensive but I can't actually say that for sure since I attended so few games with them.

To the guy above me. Yes I'm saying he should ignore it. No I'm not saying the guy should go unpunished, but not by the player and not by some strange mob effect that LuchaShaq seemed to imply last page. They should be escorted out of the arena and if you really want to end it get some police involved for harassment or verbal threats.

 

[Velcro Fly]

I've been to plenty of sporting events at a major college (Purdue) and I'm pretty sure that at every one they made it a point to say that sportsmanship and respecting game officials and players was very important for us as students and spectators. It isn't like this is some new concept to not be a huge piece of shit at sporting events. And we all know Marcus Smart is going to the NBA but he isn't a professional yet. He's still a student athlete. It could happen to any one of the thousands of guys that are in college playing basketball on scholarship to get a degree. I don't care what the guy said, whether he called Smart the n word or told him to go back to Africa. It's wrong 100% of the time.

 

[KingGondo]

He showed me that article on Facebook and both he and I agree with it. They only do it to get attention. And they do. Just because they get away with it most of the time doesn't mean they should.

I'm not advocating physical violence against them.

Sorry, but shoving someone doesn't quite bring the phrase "physical violence" to my mind.

Here's the way I see it: Smart isn't justified to shove the guy just because he said something, but it's understandable and forgivable that he would (especially if the comment was racial in nature like it seems to have been).

Both deserve to be punished, but I'd love for Tech to make an example of this asshole and take the high road too.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Name-calling and taunts, racial or otherwise, do not warrant a physical response.

How'd that work out for Kanye?

 

[Mdot]

the guy in his 50s/60s talking shit to a 19 year old who he paid a ticket to watch is the disgusting behavior

This.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Legally it doesn't but morally we as a society need to learn that fucks like that need a beat down and a pretty severe one at that.

Sorry, but shoving someone doesn't quite bring the phrase "physical violence" to my mind.

Here's the way I see it: Smart isn't justified to shove the guy just because he said something, but it's understandable and forgivable that he would (especially if the comment was racial in nature like it seems to have been).

Both deserve to be punished, but I'd love for Tech to make an example of this asshole and take the high road too.

I was referring more to that up there.

 

[kai3345]

He could use a lesson in trolling skills from Marshall Henderson

so much happening in this single gif

 

[Tallshortman]

You obviously did not understand the context of the discussion, because if you did you wouldn't act like I'm saying he should take all sorts of verbal abuse. You would understand however that I have a problem with the way he handled the situation.

Wether or not we agree with his handling of the situation is another point, but to take my comment out of context and equate it to the fan 'buying himself the right to abuse kids' (let alone to racist epithaphs) is something I have an issue with.

That's exactly what your comment entails. You don't seem to understand the context yourself. Prefacing your comment previously with it's unfortunate what the fan said and then proceeding to act like Smart savaged him with physical violence is still extremely disingenuous. It exactly sounds like you're excusing the whole culture surrounding it by saying it's just the way it is and players signed up for it when they sign that scholarship. I didn't accuse you of racism, I'm accusing you of being unrealistic in your expectations. He handled the situation just fine, you acting like any level of physical interaction is the death of civilized behavior is what I'm taking issue with. You really think anything would have happened if he just "let it go" and mentioned it during media sessions. lol he would have been laughed out of the room with fans and media alike saying he's just salty. What context would he even have the opportunity to randomly inject that a fan threw racial epitaphs at him?

The fact is, the avenues you suggest that he should have went to to handle the situation would have done absolutely nothing to bring attention to what happened and would have been completely ignored.

 

[KingGondo]

Oh god. A poster on the OSU fan forum made the "I'm sure Smart's teammates and friends call him that all the time" argument.

 

[biRdy]

That guy needs some beats headphones to block out dem haters lol

 

[enanogrande]

That's exactly what your comment entails. You don't seem to understand the context yourself. Prefacing your comment previously with it's unfortunate what the fan said and then proceeding to act like Smart savaged him with physical violence is still extremely disingenuous. It exactly sounds like you're excusing the whole culture surrounding it by saying it's just the way it is and players signed up for it when they sign that scholarship. He handled the situation just fine, you acting like any level of physical interaction is the death of civilized behavior is what I'm taking issue with. You really think anything would have happened if he just "let it go" and mentioned it during media sessions. lol he would have been laughed out of the room with fans and media alike saying he's just salty. What context would he even have the opportunity to randomly inject that a fan threw racial epitaphs at him?

The fact is, the avenues you suggest that he should have went to to handle the situation would have done absolutely nothing to bring attention to what happened and would have been completely ignored.

I'm the one being disingenuous here? Please point out to me where I "proceed to act like Smart savaged him with physical violence", especially in the post you're referring to. I would ask you to look at all the posts I've made on the subject as well (you won't find such accusations there either) but since you seem to think they have no bearing at all on the context of this one, I don't think it would matter either way.

You understand the meaning of that word, right? You understand the fact that my comments here where made in part of an ongoing discussion with another poster, so that when I say that "this is what they signed up for", the 'this' in question is "not shoving fans when they verbally abuse you"? But you go right ahead and take from that "He should be a good boy and let people insult him, they're paying him for that right, he can't do anything at all about it".

And no, you're not accusing me of being unrealistic of my expectations - you're accusing me of "excusing the whole culture surrounding it by saying it's just the way it is and players signed up for it when they sign that scholarship." Furthermore, in your original post you then go ahead making the ridiculous comparison of "the fan doesn't have the right to insult him for paying $20", as if I myself had somehow implied that Smart had no right to retaliate. You see the problem with your response? Im not even going to comment on the "acting like any level of physical interaction is the death of civilized behavior" line.

The context part of the equation comes in where you understand my comment. If it was the only comment I made in the entire thread, I can see how you would say I'm excusing the culture by saying he should just suck it up. But if you see it as the fifth comment I made and that in others I made clear what my stance on the issue is, you're damn right I'm going to tell you to check the context of the statement before making assumptions.

If you want to take issue with me saying he should deal with it in the media the please do so. I do disagree that he would have been laughed at and nothing would have come of it, but I'm willing to discuss that further. But don't accuse me of saying something I'm not, and don't then act like that wasn't what you were saying in the first place.

 

[Madness]

It's very hard to get a fan thrown out for something "supposedly said". What you have to question is why so many cannot understand why the player shoved the fan. And it makes me wonder.

Players are not paragons of virtue here. They are everyday normal people doing what they love. Why is it so easy to empathize with the fan who got "shoved" and not the player who basically had his entire existence questioned. Whether it was "Go Back to Africa", or "Nigger", I mean who is in the wrong here? The old guy who knows better, who possibly paid money to see a basketball game and starts abusing and taunting someone, or the person on the receiving end of the abuse who lashes out.

Yes, the player shouldn't have shoved him, he cannot lose his cool, especially if he wants to be a professional, but let's be real here, the players shove is a reaction. Do you think he would have done the same, if the old guy only said you suck? I don't agree with those saying move fans back. That's one of the best things about basketball, getting up close with the players. The only reason hockey is behind glass is because you're going to get your teeth knocked out by the puck, or get destroyed when they throw body checks, same goes for football, you don't want a 280 pound guy getting tackled into you, or diving for a ball and you getting smushed.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I don't think he should have pushed the fan, largely because the fan was baiting a response; he wanted Smart to do something. People are always going to rush to a racist's defense - be it in the media or on this very forum in race threads like this ("but black people say that word all the time!" or the "but the dictionary definition of racism is..." nonsense).

At the end of the day athletes can't touch fans. Anyone who has been to many sports events has heard drunk (or not drunk) fans say racist, homophobic, or downright ignorant things to the opposing teams. Athletes have to just deal with it, they can't retaliate or they become the bad guy. Smart made a mistake, although as a black guy I understand his reaction. At the same time, I've been called a nigger before, even during an AAU game, and managed to brush it off because I knew the person wanted me to react.

 

[ampere]

Ryan Aber ‏@ryaber 45m
Sure this has been said but OSU radio said immediately after the incident that Smart told the OSU coaches that the fan said THE word

Hm I could see his reaction then. He's heated and high energy from playing and someone yells a slur?

Fans do say some nasty shit sometimes. He still shouldn't have pushed him though.

 

[Nesotenso]

The dude could have been insulted with slurs. Smart and his team aren't having the greatest of seasons. He has been called out for flopping a lot and is building a reputation as a flopper. His decision to stay one more year increasingly looks like a mistake.

 

[RedSwirl]

Dude is what, 19 years old? He's technically still a teenager, and he may be on TV, but he's not a professional athlete yet. I don't really expect someone that young, in that kind of situation, to act 100% rationally when facing that kind of verbal abuse.

 

[remnant]

Dude is what, 19 years old? He's technically still a teenager, and he may be on TV, but he's not a professional athlete yet. I don't really expect someone that young, in that kind of situation, to act 100% rationally when facing that kind of verbal abuse.

What is the age when people are expected to act rational and understand consequence? Can I still push people when i'm 29, 35, 40?

Players are not paragons of virtue here. They are everyday normal people doing what they love. Why is it so easy to empathize with the fan who got "shoved" and not the player who basically had his entire existence questioned. Whether it was "Go Back to Africa", or "Nigger", I mean who is in the wrong here? The old guy who knows better, who possibly paid money to see a basketball game and starts abusing and taunting someone, or the person on the receiving end of the abuse who lashes out.

It's not empathy. it's holding both parties to the same standard, and escalation into physical abuse is always worse. Every time.

This wasn't self defense. Why should Marcus get anymore empathy than anyone else?

 

[devilhawk]

There are now multiple reports that Orr is claiming he did not say anything racial.

Deadspin even followed the "Go back to Africa" rumor and how it was completely fabricated. http://deadspin.com/go-back-to-africa-twitter-rumor-becomes-marcus-smart-1519336610?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Other people would have heard it. Other people did hear what was said. We will just have to wait.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Name-calling and taunts, racial or otherwise, do not warrant a physical response.

How'd that work out for Kanye?

Last I checked he's still a free man, rich as fuck, successful and famous, and married to a very hot wife. So pretty well?

What is the age when people are expected to act rational and understand consequence? Can I still push people when i'm 29, 35, 40?

It's not empathy. it's holding both parties to the same standard, and escalation into physical abuse is always worse. Every time.

This wasn't self defense. Why should Marcus get anymore empathy than anyone else?

It's not physical abuse. It's a shove. You'll get worse walking through the dance floor at your average nightclub.

 

[Madness]

What is the age when people are expected to act rational and understand consequence? Can I still push people when i'm 29, 35, 40?

It's not empathy. it's holding both parties to the same standard, and escalation into physical abuse is always worse. Every time.

This wasn't self defense. Why should Marcus get anymore empathy than anyone else?

But both parties are not equal here. One is the person who started the incident. The other is the one who reacted to it. "Physical abuse" is pushing it, but I agree, physical confrontation is different than verbal. No one is saying Smart is in the right. But surely you can understand why he might be angry or push someone after being called that, or have that said to him no? Marcus deserves more empathy, because the shove wouldn't have happened, if he hadn't been called that.

 

[ConradCervantes]

There are now multiple reports that Orr is claiming he did not say anything racial.

Deadspin even followed the "Go back to Africa" rumor and how it was completely fabricated. http://deadspin.com/go-back-to-africa-twitter-rumor-becomes-marcus-smart-1519336610?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Other people would have heard it. Other people did hear what was said. We will just have to wait.

A prominent booster isn't going to just up and cop to using racist epithets. Players don't bullrush fans for nothing. Smart's body language indicated he heard something derogatory given how quickly he got to his feet to shove Orr.

 

[remnant]

There are now multiple reports that Orr is claiming he did not say anything racial.

Deadspin even followed the "Go back to Africa" rumor and how it was completely fabricated. http://deadspin.com/go-back-to-africa-twitter-rumor-becomes-marcus-smart-1519336610?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Other people would have heard it. Other people did hear what was said. We will just have to wait.

People are desperately hoping the fan called him a n word. lol

Anything short of that and Marcus becomes indefensible

hmmm....nahh

no way internet sports can be wrong and over zealous

 

[cdyhybrid]

hmmm....nahh

no way internet sports can be wrong and over zealous

So because he said he didn't say it, he didn't actually say it? Come on dude. No one knows what he said except him and Smart, and no one else probably ever will.

 

[Mik317]

What is the age when people are expected to act rational and understand consequence? Can I still push people when i'm 29, 35, 40?

It's not empathy. it's holding both parties to the same standard, and escalation into physical abuse is always worse. Every time.

This wasn't self defense. Why should Marcus get anymore empathy than anyone else?

Except you aren't holding both parties responsible. You have been focusing on one party here.

You are acting like he shanked the guy he pushed him. And if you think a push is worse than getting called a nigger then I dint know what to tell you

 

[Zornack]

Except you aren't holding both parties responsible. You have been focusing on one party here.

You are acting like he shanked the guy he pushed him. And if you think a push is worse than getting called a nigger then I dint know what to tell you

Assault is worse than verbal abuse, yes. Is that really up for debate?

 

[Camp Lo]

I would have flipped that guy off but I understand the shove; old man had it coming.

 

[Mik317]

You can read his lips... He said go back to Africa and then started copping pleas

 

[cdyhybrid]

Assault is worse than verbal abuse, yes. Is that really up for debate?

A shove is not assault. People need to stop acting like he intentionally went into the crowd to beat a man unprovoked. This one-size-fits-all mentality doesn't even fly in the legal system.

 

[Mik317]

Assault is worse than verbal abuse, yes. Is that really up for debate?

Go back to Africa is worse than a push.

If Smart threw a punch, you'd have a point. This is a push...

But whatever I'm bailing out... The defense of the guyis iinsane

 

[Madness]

Assault is worse than verbal abuse, yes. Is that really up for debate?

Of course it is, but the "assault" (was a shove) was a reaction to the verbal abuse. Without it, there wouldn't have been a shove. I don't know where you people live, but you can't honestly expect to say anything you want, verbal abuse or humiliate someone and not expect a possible physical reaction. You're there to watch players play basketball, not insult their mothers, or hurl racial slurs. Of course the player reacting was in the wrong, you shouldn't get physical or even verbal with fans, but I place the blame on the guy in the crowd, it wasn't some out of the blue shove.

 

[Zornack]

A shove is not assault.

Yes it is.

The defense of the guyis iinsane

I'm not defending the racist. What he did was wrong. But what Smart did was wrong, too. He escalated the verbal altercation to a physical one.

Of course it is, but the "assault" (was a shove) was a reaction to the verbal abuse. Without it, there wouldn't have been a shove. I don't know where you people live, but you can't honestly expect to say anything you want, verbal abuse or humiliate someone and not expect a possible physical reaction. You're there to watch players play basketball, not insult their mothers, or hurl racial slurs. Of course the player reacting was in the wrong, you shouldn't get physical or even verbal with fans, but I place the blame on the guy in the crowd, it wasn't some out of the blue shove.

Of course there was a reason Smart shoved the dude, but that doesn't make it okay or justifiable. If he had punched the guy or shot him that reason would still be there and the actions would be just as unjustifiable.

It's not Smart's role to physically stop racist hecklers.

 

[perfectchaos007]

So because he said he didn't say it, he didn't actually say it? Come on dude. No one knows what he said except him and Smart, and no one else probably ever will.

Basically. Of course people will be able to believe what they want to believe because there is disagreement on both sides.What if Marcus Smart heard something different than what was actually said? It was a loud arena so thats also a possibility. Maybe something racist was said and maybe it wasn't, we may never know for sure.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Yes it is.

Don't ever go outside. You'll have a heart attack. Way to ignore the rest of my post, by the way.

 

[remnant]

So because he said he didn't say it, he didn't actually say it? Come on dude. No one knows what he said except him and Smart, and no one else probably ever will.

Yes. If he didn't call him a nigger or say "Go back to Africa." Than he didn't say it. And he shouldn't be judged as if he did say it, and Smart shouldn't use it as a shield. It's not like the two were alone.

Assault is worse than verbal abuse, yes. Is that really up for debate?

Apparently it is

 

[devilhawk]

A prominent booster isn't going to just up and cop to using racist epithets. Players don't bullrush fans for nothing. Smart's body language indicated he heard something derogatory given how quickly he got to his feet to shove Orr.

So we are now to take the word of the sore loser who embellishes and simulates more than anyone else in the nation, who had just melted down last week by kicking and breaking a chair and storming off in the middle of the game to go cry under the bleachers, and now has millions of dollars worth of reasons to try and salvage this disaster of a year?

I know it is obvious I do not like Marcus Smart. Forgive me though if I want some corroboration of what was said by someone other than Jeff Orr or Marcus Smart. I don't think that is too much to ask.

Basically. Of course people will be able to believe what they want to believe because there is disagreement on both sides.What if Marcus Smart heard something different than what was actually said? It was a loud arena so thats also a possibility. Maybe something racist was said and maybe it wasn't, we may never know for sure.

What if he misheard? What if he heard the wrong person? So many reasons why you can't start a physical altercation in a place like that.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Yes. If he didn't call him a nigger or say "Go back to Africa." Than he didn't say it. And he shouldn't be judged as if he did say it, and Smart shouldn't use it as a shield. It's not like the two were alone.

You don't know if he didn't say it. His word isn't ironclad truth. You really think he'd admit to that?

How old was the fan?

Not old enough apparently.

 

[Seeds]

What is the age when people are expected to act rational and understand consequence? Can I still push people when i'm 29, 35, 40

How old was the fan?

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

That guy needs some beats headphones to block out dem haters lol

"You can tell everybody..."

I don't necessarily condone the action, but I can't blame the kid. Everyone has a line, and not everyone has the self control of Jackie Robinson. He obviously should face a suspension...and the fan should be banned from games for the rest of the school year, as most NCAA venues have rules about profanity being used in the stands.

 

[Zornack]

Don't ever go outside. You'll have a heart attack. Way to ignore the rest of my post, by the way.

A shove is not assault. People need to stop acting like he intentionally went into the crowd to beat a man unprovoked. This one-size-fits-all mentality doesn't even fly in the legal system.

He intentionally went into the crowd to physically assault a man who was verbally abusing him. I don't know what else there is to say. No one involved was in the right but that doesn't make what Smart did okay.

 

[remnant]

And if you think a push is worse than getting called a nigger then I dint know what to tell you

Is there a chart or a graph where people weigh these words? I mean, I was under the radical assumption that all aggressive physical contact with anyone is worse than a word or phrase, but if not let's clarify the rules.

 

[Madness]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS_92eKcGMI

Watch this video. Tie Domi was only fined. Not to mention most hockey fans loved it. You folks are acting like Marcus Smart murdered the guy. He gave a shove to an abusive fan that was in his face.

 

[Tekniqs]

Hahahahaha that is one of the best GIFs I've ever seen.

That one doesn't even show the best part. You can kind of a catch a glimpse of it at the end of that gif. There's a guy that comes barreling down from the nosebleeds to talk shit lol. You can see him shoving people out of the way

 

[Tallshortman]

I'm the one being disingenuous here? Please point out to me where I "proceed to act like Smart savaged him with physical violence", especially in the post you're referring to. I would ask you to look at all the posts I've made on the subject as well (you won't find such accusations there either) but since you seem to think they have no bearing at all on the context of this one, I don't think it would matter either way.

You understand the meaning of that word, right? You understand the fact that my comments here where made in part of an ongoing discussion with another poster, so that when I say that "this is what they signed up for", the 'this' in question is "not shoving fans when they verbally abuse you"? But you go right ahead and take from that "He should be a good boy and let people insult him, they're paying him for that right, he can't do anything at all about it".

And no, you're not accusing me of being unrealistic of my expectations - you're accusing me of "excusing the whole culture surrounding it by saying it's just the way it is and players signed up for it when they sign that scholarship." Furthermore, in your original post you then go ahead making the ridiculous comparison of "the fan doesn't have the right to insult him for paying $20", as if I myself had somehow implied that Smart had no right to retaliate. You see the problem with your response? Im not even going to comment on the "acting like any level of physical interaction is the death of civilized behavior" line.

The context part of the equation comes in where you understand my comment. If it was the only comment I made in the entire thread, I can see how you would say I'm excusing the culture by saying he should just suck it up. But if you see it as the fifth comment I made and that in others I made clear what my stance on the issue is, you're damn right I'm going to tell you to check the context of the statement before making assumptions.

If you want to take issue with me saying he should deal with it in the media the please do so. I do disagree that he would have been laughed at and nothing would have come of it, but I'm willing to discuss that further. But don't accuse me of saying something I'm not, and don't then act like that wasn't what you were saying in the first place.

Oh please you've posted numerous times here accusing him of physical violence. Using hyperbole for what was a minor push does you no favors. I'd be more inclined to not excuse him if he actually went after the guy but he clearly didn't. Once again, the "you're signing up for it" line is why I said fans don't have a right to abuse him and not expect retaliation. You excusing that sort of behavior with suck it up is exactly what enables it. It's all in perfect context and I have never posted anything that was out of line with what you were saying. If you don't want your posts framed a certain way then don't post them as such. You keep acting like I haven't read your stance, which I have and have responded to time and time again. Your stance is the fan shouldn't have abused him but he should suck it up and report it to officials. Please find any one of my posts that don't respond to this very thing.

If you want to discuss the merits of your idea of response to his actions I implore you to find situations where fans were punished after having their comments reported to school officials. I think you'll find such instances are few and far between. The culture has always been to turn a blind eye to what fans say, especially in college sports.

 

[cdyhybrid]

He intentionally went into the crowd to physically assault a man who was verbally abusing him. I don't know what else to say. No one involved was in the right but that doesn't make what Smart did okay.

1) He was already in the crowd.

2) The man suffered no injuries, because the "assault" was not a punch or something likely to result in injuries.

3) I never said what he did was okay.

4) If no one was in the right, why is all the focus on Smart?