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[ScherzoPrime]

Is this really about a cover? If so, I have some bad news for you.

Here is one about a COMPANY.

Hm, there is 1 difference with Battlefield 1 though...

FWIW I think BFH's dude is African American too.

 

[Palculator]

Battlefield Vietnam through Hardline are my favourite AAA World War 1 shooters.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Battlefield Vietnam through Hardline are my favourite AAA World War 1 shooters.

Non-white characters are met with more scrutiny, not just on covers, but in roles or in settings people don't expect them to be. Fairly certain that's the point being made — of course people will be able to come up with more-or-less valid reasons to object to it on an individual basis, but the trend is impossible to ignore.

See: the GAF user who said a black character in The Order: 1886 would be more jarring for them than werewolves and vampires.

 

[akira28]

What so if I as a Brit/European think a European should be the centrepiece of a European based war, then I am therefore, automatically a racist and against a Black male being on the cover?

You're not actually serious are you?

you might have a bias that you're not conscious of. seriously. its science. in a book. on the internet. Particularly if it was the strange appearance of a black soldier that sparked the conversation. With unknown motives and a serious need to question their intent.

It should be a picture of James Joyce, with a mural of white lions golden dragons, a single unicorn, starry mantle, and a blue and red field behind him.

'if they're going to pander to anyone, they should pander to me'-ism, where I suspect were it just a regular doughboy, people wouldnt have said shit.

 

[Mass One]

Didn't mean to suggest it was common knowledge --
No problem, no harm no foul.

Man, thank you and I like your Xtreme 3 Photographs.

 

[Quote]

Battlefield Vietnam through Hardline are my favourite AAA World War 1 shooters.

Here is where I stand, and I think a lot of people that you're having this discussion with would also stand. If the cover was the Bedouin woman warrior, horse or no horse, we would be defending the cover just the same. We would have to defend it because it'd be a woman on the cover. I'd be interested to know if the people against this box art, would also be defending a Bedouin woman warrior cover.

That said, this goes back to the original garbage OP. This thread wasn't about nationality, it was specifically about the pandering of a black man on the cover. Is it okay this man is on the cover? In the context of this thread? Absolutely!

I also think this thread is all over the place because the OP is some awful devil advocate shit.

 

[ScherzoPrime]

Non-white characters are met with more scrutiny, not just on covers, but in roles or in settings people don't expect them to be. Fairly certain that's the point being made — of course people will be able to come up with more-or-less valid reasons to object to it on an individual basis, but the trend is impossible to ignore.

See: the GAF user who said a black character in The Order: 1886 would be more jarring for them than werewolves and vampires.

That seems weird to me, to think it'd be impossible to have a black knight in the 1800s, especially given the circumstances of that game which allows a female soldier-knight as well, so claiming social mores would keep them from being knighted is ludicrous even if it were true, and I'd be willing to bet it wasn't.

Like a month ago, I found out that two of the people who died on the Titanic were of African descent. They weren't steerage either, but rather well to do.

 

[Palculator]

Non-white characters are met with more scrutiny, not just on covers, but in roles or in settings people don't expect them to be. Fairly certain that's the point being made — of course people will be able to come up with more-or-less valid reasons to object to it on an individual basis, but the trend is impossible to ignore.

See: the GAF user who said a black character in The Order: 1886 would be more jarring for them than werewolves and vampires.

Yeah, they are. Might have been egocentric of me but I took the "you" to refer to me as I just replied to their last post and I don't find it odd that covers for games focused on Vietnam, recent American wars in the Middle East, or heists in American cities have Americans on them.

Man, thank you and I like your Xtreme 3 Photographs.

Lmao, thanks.

That said, this goes back to the original garbage OP. This thread wasn't about nationality, it was specifically about the pandering of a black man on the cover. Is it okay this man is on the cover? In the context of this thread? Absolutely!

Yeah, the ongoing discussion has sort of gone off tracks and the main reason it's in here, I think, is that even I don't consider it a big enough "issue" to warrant its own thread. It just came up as a side-effect to a misguided OP and I'm sure if discussion were merely concerned with what's mentioned in the OP, we would've stopped ages ago because complaints of pandering to black people are simply not widespread on this forum.

 

[DSix]

Using the race card to justify an Americanized cover on the biggest European-fought war ever. Stay fucking classy guys.

 

[D i Z]

 

[ScherzoPrime]

Aaaaand we're back to square one. Terrific.

 

[Coffinhal]

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It's laughable and sad at the same time. People are dumb.

People are dumb, but you are much much more intelligent. A genius. The genius. Why the dumb don't understand you ? Fucking democracy.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Using the race card to justify an Americanized cover on the biggest European-fought war ever. Stay fucking classy guys.

They must of left me out of the loop. To this day, I've never received this card in the mail. Maybe because I'm mixed?

 

[Alienfan]

Using the race card to justify an Americanized cover on the biggest European-fought war ever. Stay fucking classy guys.

Not only is it a goal of the developers to show the lesser known groups that fought in the war (hence the HH on the cover) - but the trailer features almost entirely European and middle eastern soldiers. As far as I'm concerned, DICE aren't Americanising anything.

 

[soundscream]

They must of left me out of the loop. To this day, I've never received this card in the mail. Maybe because I'm mixed?

Did you fill out your change of address form? I'll bring it up at the next meeting.

 

[Messofanego]

See: the GAF user who said a black character in The Order: 1886 would be more jarring for them than werewolves and vampires.

lol I had forgotten about that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=139962679&postcount=203

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=139955653&postcount=155

 

[Aters]

Maybe people complaining (the non-racist complainers), should consider that this is payback for this French film atrocity about the American Revolutionary war that DARED to feature a Frenchman on the poster. The horror... I'll apologize for the BF1 as soon as Charles de Gaulle apologizes for this movie.

La Fayette (1961)

If I remember correctly, this film is about the life of that particular Frenchmen. So they have every reason to put it on the cover. It's a biographical film!

Are you telling me Lawrence of Arabia is atrocious because it features an Englishman in an Arabian war?

 

[sycam0re]

It turns my stomach. Just flat out the most offensive game I've ever seen.

I can name family members that died in this conflict, wept at the pictures and accounts of the dead and maimed that experienced this hell, was taught all the horrors of it from primary school, through my whole life, it's only ever been a symbol of the folly of war, the worst, most black and shameful era of British and European history. I've been to the actual battlefields and mass graves across Europe, held the minutes silence without fail every rememberence day my entire life, for as long as I could understand the meaning of it.

There was no glory in this war. No thrilling action or daring do, no heroes and villains, this was mass murder, a scar on the history of our species, and every single person involved in it was a victim.

This trailer, the entire concept of this game, makes me feel physically sick, and just so fucking angry.

How fucking dare anyone make a game like this about the Harlem Hellfighters.

I don't know what's worse, the sick fucking emotionless, greedy cunts that would seriously exploit this horror of an industrialised massacre, or the ignorant, soulless bastards that will give them money and enjoy it.

Anyone involved in this, or seriously think of buying this, should be ashamed of themselves.

i can't survive this

 

[The Faceless Master]

This part is partially true but not all true. The US joined the war after German U-boats started sinking American merchant vessels. Most American sentiment was riled up after the sinking of the Lusitania. It doesn't change the shit these soldiers went through, but US involvement was not a noble sacrifice to save the French people. That's closer to the truth in WW2. In fact, most of France remained in French hands for the entirety of World War 1, and foreign involvement began with the invasion of Belgium.

As the constant disclaimer for the Americans: glad the Harlem Hellfighters are a campaign. Still think it's a marketing decision (despite what the interview says, PR is PR) to put an American on the cover.

from a pure marketing perspective, which do you think is more desirable, putting an American on the cover or putting a White Guy With Gun on the cover, be he British, French or whatever?

 

[soundscream]

If I remember correctly, this film is about the life of that particular Frenchmen. So they have every reason to put it on the cover. It's a biographical film!

Are you telling me Lawrence of Arabia is atrocious because it features an Englishman in an Arabian war?

You missed the sarcasm in that post.

 

[EmSeta]

I just wish it had been a black French troop on the cover instead. As an American I don't like an American being on the cover of a WWI game.

Hm, that's a good point.

 

[Apt101]

I picked up a signed copy of Harlem Hellfighters from B&N ages ago, and lost it in my recent move. I think I accidentally threw it out with a bunch of old text books that I, for reasons I don't even know, kept for over a decade after college.

 

[ImThatDood]

Black people weren't even real in 1914 /s



Although I do kinda agree with this. Movies like saving private ryan have a semi-similar problem with just showing the American side. Not that it lessens the sacrifices made, it's just smells a bit jingo-ie.
Though based on then campaign description it seems like you would be playing as different characters from seemingly European countries. Americans being DLC is pretty fine with me.

Tbh there's really only one annoying side to this argument, those saying this game over represents America's involvement in the war simply by having an American solider on the cover. They might have had a point if we didn't have the trailer that disproves this worry - it features almost entirely middle eastern, French, Australian, German and British soldiers - only 2 or 3 Americans (who by the way are all getting slaughtered by German soliders). There's zero evidence that DICE will be focusing mostly on the America's support or exaggerate the glory of it - in fact all evidence from the trailers suggest otherwise.

Don't you dare use logic. Shame on you!

 

[AU Tiger]

All characters should be 35-ish year old white males, bald or short brown hair, grim demeanor, leather jackets. Doesn't even matter that it's WWI. Just have every character like that charging through trenches.

Seriously though, it's cool they're doing this. It was a world war, people of all kinds fought in it.

Edit: great video: http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/world-war-i-history/videos/the-harlem-hellfighters

One of them, Henry Johnson, was basically Captain America. Fought off a German raid with a defective rifle like a club and a knife. Comes home and can't work from his injuries and died penniless.

I posted this back in the video reveal thread. I really hope that this is who the guy on the cover is and that they tell some of his story in the campaign.