DoubleClutch
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One big plus for consoles is privacy.
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Or Xdefiant, or Call of Duty, or Battlefield, or….
Zathalus
Member
Good, we agree.
mayham2199
Member
Personally when I had my gaming PC I strictly used it just for gaming. I had my work laptop to do whatever else I wanted on it.
I think the OPs point is security via isolation of services while having good anticheat security.
mayham2199
Member
Yes there are still cheaters on consoles but it isn't even close to what I've seen on PC.
ManaByte
Banned
No it's worse because the console makers can't detect it.
That stuff is still cheating by getting rid of recoil or using pistols like automatic rifles but it's nowhere near like the wall hacks with aimbot cheats you get on PC.
You think they can on PC? If you can spoof and not detect a USB device on console you 100% can do the same on PC.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You can't see them on console as it doesn't have any anti cheat and can't detect "XIM" adaptors.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
mayham2199
Member
Well I had no problem seeing my own teammates shoot through walls in R6 and apologize. Had no problem calling out guys who were clearly head tracking through walls in R6 and me and cousin letting the other team know he was hacking.
Well we clearly aren't going to agree if that's your stance. I've played R6 on both PC and console and it was way worse on PC to the point me and my cousin stopped playing on PC and stuck to just consoles.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Imagine thinking you have privacy in 2024 if you connect to the internet lmao. No device is safe.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I have no problem seeing those cases too. Your point?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Pretty much. Want privacy? Throw you smartphone away and go live in the woods.
Nonsense, you cant "detect" them any better on PC than you can on console. All you're pointing out is the cat and mouse chase of blocking these devices. The blocks exist on console too but people figure out ways around them. Ways around them are even easier on PC. On PC you don't even need the device and can do things in software.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Valve has never had a massive data breach like Sony had where people’s CC info got leaked multiple times. Just don’t play Valorant or League if you don’t want a root kit.
Yeah, privacy is the wrong term to use for this. It's more limiting exposure through isolation of services.
StereoVsn
Member
Yep, that’s what I basically do. There is no way I want that shit on my PC.
Well, and to be fair, any sort of non gaming stuff I do on my MacBook anyhow. Still, f the kernel level MP crap.
And yes, I agree with OP, there is infinitely less info they say Sony has about me vs if my PC gets taken.
MS though is a tad different since they have all kinds of my info and not just gaming.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Here is the problem with your logic. If you're concerned about this then why are you installing a program with kernel level access on a PC that you also store your medical records and investment data on?
Similarly, you can launch the Edge browser on Xbox and access those same documents.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Yes you can as it much easier and faster to update the anti cheat then update console "detections".
Valve's online game service Steam hit by hackers
Credit card details and personal information may have been stolen in a serious hack attack on the Steam game service.
www.bbc.com
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
We compare things to see the differences.
Why? So you think red tape is some issue now? You said you can't detect them. Things may move faster on PC but it moves just as fast for the cheat software creators there too. How long did it take for the PC COD beta cheaters to get wall hacks and headshot aimbots up and running:
I think you're grasping at straws trying to push the idea that it's not worse there.
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Magister
Neo Member
True. Googled Revolut credit cards on my PC and now I constantly keep getting Revolut ads on my phone when I surf the web or when I play mobile games. It's also sometimes funny. For instance, one time I talked in-person with other people about shitty children's mascot branded sparkling water and after a few minutes I got the ad for the said water on my phone and I never even Googled it, only saw it on TV. Android is spyware, I guess.
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Member
Schmendrick
Member
If you don't get the point of my reply then that is a "you" issueDidn't even read the damn thread.
ResilientBanana
Member
Right but anti-cheat on consoles is the same as on PC, but more uniformly structured. It just seems scary on PC. Oddly enough, information is rarely stolen from my own PC, but rather retail, medical, and various other companies that get hacked on a daily basis and throw our social security numbers, home addresses, and credit card numbers out into the ether. I get the complaint, but our privacy is always in danger and it's not because of anti-cheat software.
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Roxkis_ii
Member
Was the question asking why we compare things, or something specific? Take your time.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
All that Privacy only to tell everyone on Neogaf what they think about a game anyway. 
DoubleClutch
Member
Here is the problem with your logic. If you're concerned about this then why are you installing a program with kernel level access on a PC that you also store your medical records and investment data on?
Similarly, you can launch the Edge browser on Xbox and access those same documents.
Because a PC is a computing device for everything. It’s not unreasonable to store all sorts of records on it.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
yurinka
Member
Microsoft's hardware, OS and apps (same goes with basically all the other major tech companies from US, like Apple/iOS, Google/Android or Meta/GB) provide backdoors to be used by several western intelligence agencies to spy people, as could be seen as an example with the NSA in the leaked PRISM program documents.
T4keD0wN
Member
Yeah, OP is right about this, theres definitely way less sensitive and non-gaming related info at risk on consoles if you play such games, thing is it can be avoided in many ways on PC, but most are a hassle.
Theres some games i only dare to play through GeforceNOW because i want to avoid installing those aggressive anti-cheats on any of my PCs. Luckily such games very rarely interest me.
Having a second PC is probably the best thing for anyone concerned enough about this.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Console can't detect them as it literaly can't scan for them. They can only firmware block them.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
I read the thread and OP has a point. Many aren't reading his points and are thinking he's talking console vs PC war points.
He's right anti-cheat software can be far more detrimental to you as an individual if used in a malicious way than the usual data breaches on a Sony or Microsoft server.
We as PC gamers choose to deal with the added risk so we can play our games but the risk is still there. I don't like it either but it's part of what being a modern gamer is about these days. Putting up with bullshit like launchers and forced anti-cheat software that these publishers force on us.
He's right anti-cheat software can be far more detrimental to you as an individual if used in a malicious way than the usual data breaches on a Sony or Microsoft server.
We as PC gamers choose to deal with the added risk so we can play our games but the risk is still there. I don't like it either but it's part of what being a modern gamer is about these days. Putting up with bullshit like launchers and forced anti-cheat software that these publishers force on us.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
To discuss the differences. Take your time.
Hudo
Member
Well, neither Microsoft nor Sony nor Nintendo need to ask for kernel-level access because they already got that anyway.
You'd be foolish to think that consoles because they are "closed" are somehow more private. They are not.
In fact, I wouldn't consider any device hooked up to the internet, or receiving/sending any kind of signals for that matter, to be private.
StereoVsn
Member
Yep, which is why I do finance stuff, email and rest of stuff on my MacBook for the most part.
DoubleClutch
Member
I think you missed the point I’m making.
Hudo
Member
Nah, I got your point. I just disagree.
DoubleClutch
Member
There’s nothing to disagree with, it’s objectively true there is less personal information on a console than a gaming PC unless drastic steps are taken. Which is why a console is inherently more private than a gaming PC like for like.
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Member
You're talking about a network breach on private Sony servers.
The OP is talking about how anticheat software on your PC, gives the developers root access to a device you own that stores all your private and personal info.
Can you spot the difference between the two?
Schmendrick
Member
I can only spot someone who obviously has no idea about the modern IT world and just regurgitates sensationalistic bullshit. You don't get point of my reply, that's ok.
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DoubleClutch
Member
Why don’t you enlighten everybody then instead of just insulting them and speaking in platitudes.
Hudo
Member
You still have account and payment data being processed, just when you buy shit with a PC. And sure, only one company tracks your usage behavior instead of possibly multiple on PC, but the console manufacturers aren't the most trustworthy companies when it comes to keeping your data secure.
If you mean that these anti-cheat tools with kernel-level access can possibly open up your Word documents or your fetish-porn folder, yes, that is not impossible. But there are also ways to prevent that on PC. And it is also outside the common attack vectors, afaik. Most data gets stolen through database breaches and user incompetence (answering phishing mails, etc.).
By the way, the phishing attempts also happened to me multiple times on PSN on my Playstation. Where "pretty girls" chatted me up out of nowhere and tried to navigate me to open up links.
DoubleClutch
Member
I’m with you, I don’t think the console companies are benevolent entities either. They can just get to less of my data when I play their games on a console than my PC.
Hudo
Member
If your usage behavior is that you have more sensitive data open for access and also play games with kernel-level anti cheat tools, yes. In this case, a console might give you "more privacy".
Then it seems we have misunderstood each other. You were talking about it from a usage behavior point of view, I was looking at it from a technical point of view, where both PCs and consoles are equally unsafe.
Mea culpa.
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